There were new 4 screen shots of morphs for GIRL posted in the DAZ forums. Messages there indicate that this model will be available sometime next week. I was just curious...who's going to buy her?

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Me. She will be my first and only toon figure purchase. Clothing 1 figure should cost more than enough :-)

I'll bite. I have to see first hand how she was jointed and how good the bends look in Poser compared to what I've seen of her in 3dsMax. She'll also be my first and only toon character purchase. I predict GIRL will be one of the most popular items DAZ has ever sold, but you don't have to be psychic to predict that. ;-)

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Depends on the cost and how they package her. I'm still holding out for the Daz Bryce boxed version first, I thought they said it would be ready mid July.

I'll buy it.

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I'll but it but only because I want to create Addons for her to sell in my store.

I'm not buying (unless maybe it's a PC item). Just not into toons. But I'd like to see the promo pics. Where were they posted?

Not I, but only because I don't think I'd use it much. I'll buy when an idea or project calls for it, not because it's the latest "must have" mesh. IMHO it's been over-hyped for too long. I can appreciate DAZ' excitement over acquiring rights, but there's sort of a backlash/yawn effect that happens when you hype something for too long before releasing it.

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Depends. I love Sara v1 so I'll probably be one of those people that Daz feared to the point that they started the whole Sara controversy. i.e. I already have a toon girl(Sara), she looks a lot like G.I.R.L. and she was FREE.

Not now anyway. Maybe later if I can afford it. For the moment, I'm more than satisfied with Sara, now that Steve gave us the morphs to make Sara2 look like Sara1. ;o) It's not as if I was doing that many great things with Poser. I like to texturize and that's about all I do so I don't think I'll spend lots of money on a character just to enable me to offer more free textures, it wouldn't make sense. BUT if I ever win the lottery... loll BTW... Does she have an adult body? She has the face of a kid of about 6 years old. (On this picture anyway) France

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Thanks Geep... She looks very nice. I'll own her I think. She has a very nice smooth friendly feel to her. She will play nice with other toons I think.

"I'm more than satisfied with Sara, now that Steve gave us the morphs to make Sara2 look like Sara1" Huh? Where?

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If she's released within the next week yes. I've decided to axe my internet connection at the end of the month... sick of reformats due to viruses. I've been hoping to still be online upon her release as it will be my last internet purchase for a loooong time:)

What specifically makes you think she'll be released next week? I think when DAZ says "in a few weeks," that should be taken as code for "expect it when you see it," if for no other reason than to save on gray hairs. Personally, I don't plan on buying GIRL. I am a toon figure fan, but she's just not toony or anime-ish enough for my taste. I'm more a fan of the Koshini Family and Anime Doll, and if I buy another toon girl, I'm more tempted by Staci.

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>>"I'm more than satisfied with Sara, now that Steve gave us the morphs to make Sara2 look like Sara1" Huh? Where? << At Sara's Fan Club of course! ;o) See link attached. France

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Thanks, Geep. I never would have thought of looking in the "Product Suggestions" forum!

EEEP! I got the impression that she's be out next week. It's actually PREVIEWS of stuff that will be coming out. I'm very sorry if this is not the case. MY VERY BAD!

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I've fallen head-over-heals for anime doll but I like the look of GIRL as well. If she comes with a decent accessory pack I'll buy her right-off, if not I'll wait until some decent outfits appear or I figure out out to make my own :)

Eh, I'll probably just stick with HER (sixus). More fiesty methinks and I plan on supporting the effort to make HER more versatile... Several custom morphs going on here (nose, chin, eyes, lips) and the Basic Pack will be Free ;)

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She looked a lot better in Lightwave... I had this feeling that converting her to Poser(via DAZ)would ruin that 'certain something' she had. And it did.

Not me..not into anything toon.

Nah. I have enough trouble trying to keep my current "Poser Family" clothed. I can't really afford another new figure to buy another new set of clothes for. I bought Koshini 2, so I'm kind of "tooned out" right now, anyway ;-)

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I'd only buy this figure in order to make PoserWorld stuff for her. Same for the MilBaby and Koshini et al. I'm never going to use the figure in my artwork, I don't like the bigheaded toon look.

Nope. Not me. I think she has a lot of potential, but I want a B.O.Y.

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I'll second 28 & 29 above -- unless there's a B.O.Y., I'll not use it, and it's unlikley my clients will have much call for it. in fact, right now I'm getting requests for more ichiro stuff in my work. Guess I'll have to tackle Rhino after all... (ugh!)

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So, is "The D.O.C." gonna be anatomically correct like the others?

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I'm sticking to my cute little 'original' Sara (Sara1), thank you very much!

I'm looking forward to get Girl, it is a great model. I just hope she does not been too bad because of being poserized. For now I'm having a lot of fun with HER but I want to do something similar with Girl.

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I'll be buying her without a doubt.... even if they totally screw up the joints.... I'll re-joint her in XSI and Max anyway. I have two websites with clients waiting for her and some pinup clients waiting. Right now I use Koshini (1) and Staci (staci ROCKS). HER is nice but the mesh looks liek it may have been polu reduced. On the other hand, if DAZ ruined the GIRL mesh I will be... upset. If they did it RIGHT? It could save Daz.

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Well I swear NG want me to buy the girl!!! I just can't say NO to her!!

OOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo................. That look!!! ;=] I love it !!!

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I think Neftoon Gal is worried that the Pal will like the G.I.R.L more....Well I would be worried too LOL (I'll have to hide the pics of the G.I.R.L from my hubby!!!!!!!! tripple LOL

I prefer the HER figure from Sixus1 Media as she's more fiesty and the missus prefers Sara (I think now more because DAZ tried to screw Sara than because she dislikes the GIRL). To be honest though, with the morphs that Netherworks has been displaying over at the Sixus1 forums - even if I wanted simple "sultry/sexy", I could get it with the HER figure!!!

"HER is nice but the mesh looks liek it may have been polu reduced" Actually, the base mesh was given to us in its original low-poly form which was used for sub-divisions in MAX. From that it was subdivided and topolgy was coaxed into a form that Les thought was best for Poser. You have to keep in mind that the original version renders were in MAX and that it was subdivied twice at render time, giving the illusion of greater mesh density. --Rebekah--

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I was excited at the beginning what last year, earlier this year, now no way. I LOVE H.E.R. from Sixus1. BlindEnvy did a nice face morph with magnets for H.E.R. really soft and lovely. Check the Daz link to see her face morph picture. H.E.R. and The Girl seem similar to me, though Girl is inocent and H.E.R. just rocks more to my tastes. Free for the Base model for H.E.R. sure helped also.

Just for the record here, a point from our end that might apply to Daz as well...

H.E.R. and Girl are both figures which have come from individual artists who do not work with Poser and have been brought, the former through Sixus1 Media and the latter through Daz, to the Poser users. Ok, so that's a given. But here is the thing that I find a little disturbing and it's a simple term that's emerged: Poserized.

I hate that term. It makes it sound as though these figures have been ran through some conversion utility. I'm sure the base figure for Girl will have went through many of the same alterations and layers of work that H.E.R. went through for us. I personally worked with Max for 7 years and have worked with Maya for just over the past 3 years. Through all my time in this field, I've concentrated on character work. From having worked with Poser since the first version, I can safely say there is no way to convert any figure 100% from "high end" packages over to Poser. By virtue of just the fact that a figure has to be cut into the appropriate groups for Poser rigging, you already have a certain amount of work laid out in that task. Add to that, that for a figure to be successfully adopted by the Poser community, there are a LOT of things one has to do quite differently from the way you would work in such "high end" packages. One of the primary changes is that, from my experience, animators using these packages will work with a low res mesh up until render time where they will substitute that with a subdivided version either manually or through the render engine. Poser 5 attempts to emulate this and does so pretty well if you take it into account during modeling, but when converting a figure from Max, Maya or Lightwave to Poser, you have to do the subdividing up front. Some might say, "what's the big deal there? Hit the subD button a couple of times and there you go!" Well, if only it were that easy!!! Every artist has thier own unique quirks/style in modeling, and rarely does a "high end" model have a topology that, upon a simple subdivision, is appropriate for use in Poser. It takes work and planning and occasionally some compromises in order to strike the right blend of the original artist's vision with what works best in Poser.

This may seem odd coming from me, but I wouldn't be too aprehensive about the conversions of H.E.R. or Girl from thier original formats to Poser. Simply put, Sixus1 Media and Daz, though not exactly bedfellows, are both in the business of Poser content, and specifically original figures. I might have my own little issues with Daz on some levels, and Sixus1 Media doesn't directly support them or thier products, but I would have to say that H.E.R. and the Girl both deserve a good look from Poser users because both us and Daz have put a lot of work into getting these figures out there for everyone. Granted, it's a little easier to give H.E.R. a look right off because she's free, but I wouldn't knock the workmanship in either figure just because they started in another artist's studio, and were for use in applications other than Poser. I would have to say that it gets very tiresome in "high end" circles having to fend off the "low end Poser" attacks, and some of what I see in this thread borders on that...and in a Poser forum no less!

I guess to sum it all up, for me anyway, these figures, both H.E.R. and Girl, are conversions of their original artists visions into a format that should work well for Poser users, adding two more shades to the growing pallete Poser users have to choose from. I think credit should be given, too, to the artists/artisans who work on projects such as these because converting a figure that has already been used in another application to something that Poser users can readily work with is never as cut and dried as the term "Poserized" would lead many to think.

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Weird, link works for me, maybe something with being a forum member or something. I agree with the "Poserizing" comments ya made. Esentially EVERY figure is poserized from a modeling application, seems a bit odd that some would be iffy about a figure reguarding that.

I love The G.I.R.L. since the first time that I saw her. Though by the way I think that DAZ has delayed her release to create expectation, and has tried to kill Sara1 to have not inner competition against an own free character. The little trouble to DAZ is that in this stupid and too long wait (I dont believe that a new model needs a complete line of products initially, it overwhelms the buyer), new and interesting free models have appeared (H.E.R.), and the community has bet loudly for Sara's continuity. I dont know, it depends about the price, and Im afraid that its going to be very high

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By the way, in the last thread about this matter, DAZ offers a 5$ coupon in The G.I.R.L.'s buy until midnight Monday, July 26th, 2004 ... it means that The G.I.R.L.'s release already isnt a reality of days, but of hours...

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"I agree with the "Poserizing" comments ya made. Esentially EVERY figure is poserized from a modeling application, seems a bit odd that some would be iffy about a figure reguarding that." Well, I have to DISagree completely. I don't see any negative connotations associated with the term "poserizing". Frankly, I think it fits. If rigging a figure in a high end app could be associated with a term, I'd call it "Maya-izing" or "Max-izing", but as you can see those slang terms just don't sound as good (I think 'poserizing' actually sounds pretty cool). I think being so 'politically correct' and worrying so much about slang terms regarding Poser is just saying that the snobby attitude some folks have about the application actually bothers you. In other words, THEY win. The way to show people that the application should be taken seriously, is to USE it and, if you're inclined, to make money using it. ;-) As far as being iffy about a figure when it's converted to a Poser format, well... I can't help that. Because the bones and falloff joint meathod Poser uses to rig it's figures just aren't as good as the more advanced techniques out there. So when a model has been seen and "loved" by so many people, there are curious concerns that it simply might not look quite as good as what they've seen of it when converted to the Poser format, particularly the joints and how they bend (not so much the mesh). Don't forget, the majority of renders we've seen so far (if not ALL of them) of GIRL have been rendered in either Lightwave or 3dsMax. There's going to be a difference I'm sure, and some people might get a little disappointed if their renders of the figure aren't up to snuff with what they've seen of her from other apps. Now I know people have said that she's been rigged a particular way that makes her bend very close to what we've seen before, so I'm just curious about that. That's all. ;-)

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• as long as the price isn't too high. I've been drooooooling over her ever since the first sightings last year :] Fish

By the way, in the last thread about this matter, DAZ offers a 5$ coupon in The G.I.R.L.'s buy until midnight Monday, July 26th, 2004 ... it means that The G.I.R.L.'s release already isnt a reality of days, but of hours...

Is it? That's not clear to me. They said they're giving us a coupon to help us save up for GIRL. It doesn't say it has to be used on GIRL.

Moreover, there's another message in the forum saying DAZ will be closed today (Friday), due a state holiday in Utah. I would assume that means no more stuff appearing in the store today. The coupon expires Monday, so it sounds like we won't be able to use the coupon on GIRL.

Thanks for the heads up on the coupon, I missed that one!

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I don't think she is actually going to be out this week or next, incidently. Soon, though. ;-)

Well, Maxx... my point, to sum it up very plainly, is that I really think people need to not be presumptuous about a figure going from whatever app to Poser. I understand all too well the downfalls Poser does have, but it just gets tiring to see Poser so derided. As far as being politically correct about a term, well, I'm usually about as far from politically correct as you can get, hence my very low level of activity in these forums. I've had other "high end" people refer to what we do as "just poserizing" something, though, and I find that while the work may have a certain ring to it, the connotations I see it in are often not meant in a positive way. Maybe just the difference between your experiences and mine, but that's what I see. As far as what you mention about the "more advanced" methods of rigging out there, well, sure there are more advanced methods. And those methods have thier issues as well, just as they have thier strong points. I, for one, actually like the system that Poser has, though I think it could stand some tweaks most definitely. I think it has some very strong points in comparison to skin weighting and lattice as used with the bone systesms in other packages, but it has it's weak points as well (primarily, IMO, that of not being able to a have a child part weld to multiple parent parts, but that's a discussion for another day...). I guess what I'm driving at here is that a comparison of a model from Max, Maya, Lightwave, or whatever to a version of it rigged for Poser is sort of like apples and oranges. Maybe it's a point of naivety on my part, but I actually have faith in the customers, that they will accept that such figures are not going to be identicle to thier source versions, but will be as close as they can be while taking as many advantages as they can from the positive aspects of what Poser has to offer. - Les

I have no use for any toon figure. Toon figures don't interest me.

So....the answer is no.

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Buying the GIRL is on my list. However, I wonder if I'll have to buy the HeadMorphs set, the BodyMorph set, the textures set, the clothes pack 1, hair1, hair2, hair3, textures for hair1, textures for hair2, textures for hair3, textures for clothes pack1... And I wonder if, after that, I will have a complete starter for a character that will last long or just another good project that will die after a few months of crazy...

I have Neftoon Gal and since she seems a bit underestimated in this thread in favor of Girl, Her and Sara, I want to say that I think that Neftoon Gal has some "spice" to herself that is kind of unique in my opinion. The picture posted in this thread shows it very well I think. Neftoon Gal has facial expressions that look much livelier to me. I would like to see some clothes done for Neftoon Gal.

"However, I wonder if I'll have to buy the HeadMorphs set, the BodyMorph set, the textures set, the clothes pack 1, hair1, hair2, hair3, textures for hair1, textures for hair2, textures for hair3, textures for clothes pack1... " taking into account recent daz policy.. you'll buy the base figure, then the HeadMorph Pack, add in the Bodymorph pack.. you'll have a naked, but usable figure.. again taking into account the kinda pricing.. (non PC ya know) .. say about.. $90 - $120 before you can do anything serious.. (this based on Vicky 3 and Mikey 3 releases and not being a member of the PC)

Not me. I don't do sexy pin-ups and the name of "girl" for a supposedly adult female model is a put-off. Accurate, given her childish features, but still a put-off. (And I never bought a game-boy either.) If I was to purchase any model in the cartoon genre, it would probably be AnimeDoll: I'm far more apt to do something in that realm than a pin-up, and the model looks more flexible. Carolly

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Interesting. Is she a unimesh figure, then?

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No, she has her own mapping. But there is an option to use V3 textures. How does that work? Are there two OBJs or something?

UV file similar to how V3 1st came out and you could use uv mapper to use V2 maps. essentially yes, 2 objs one mapped for each uv set. I don't understand how it's done, would like to learn how, but never found a tutorial on how you do it, only seen Daz's uvs files to do it.

Yep, two objects and two Cr2s - one for her own mapping and one to take the V3 textures.

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How can you not love her? Actually, pretty easily. Neftis' ToonGal is, IMHO, much more stylish. There are those, I know, who think Neftis ripped off the G.I.R.L., but I'd simply say it's an improvement.

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Well I love her too, she's much fun to dress up ;) Bodysuit and hair by moi. Wolf, I think she is going to have injection, but I'm not 100% sure.

One more ... hate the image but I love the dress :) Again, another creation by me. Skin texture used is Ioli - here in the marketplace. It's one of the nicest skin textures I've ever bought.

I'm noticing the way the bends at the joints work in that pose. very interesting. And so much for no renders from Poser, ;)

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For the most part her joint bends look good, but in the above pictures the shoulders look a bit too high, giving her a muscle bound look. Just my opinion of course. mike

The collars are actually raised in both those poses of mine. I'm still getting used to posing her :)

So they have done what I've been whining about then, and finally gone beyond the simplistic rigs used currently. I should've known after seeing the rig Kim used in MAX that he'd never settle for the poor rigs currently used by figures. Now that makes me think seriously about buying her. Very seriously. Any chance we could get a rigging screencap? Pretty please? lol

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Even if she was rigged to not break at the folds, I still wouldn't buy her. Look at those huge blobby feet! Her upper arms are too short. THIS in addition to toonish proportions... oversize head and wasp-waist. I can cover creases in post work or morph a pretty face, but if I have to rescale all the body parts, why bother?

takes hammer fixes feet okay check. takes vice and stretches arms okay check. vices head so it's not oversized okay check. gotta stretch the waist okay check. kills toon proportions okay check. dusts off hands okay think the product for you is ready now. http://secure.daz3d.com/shop.php?op=itemdetails&item=1098 smiles really big it's a TOON! it's supposed to be that way.

LOL @ Machine Hauksdottir, seems like you want a human shaped model, not a fantasy shaped model, so you are right, the Girl wouldn't be suited to you. She is the shape and size that Kim wants her to be. It was never said anywhere that her proportions would change once turned into a Poser model. Personally I like her proportions. Perhaps Kim's morphs will include smaller hands and feet shrug Haven't opened the last beta yet. Ynsaen, the rigging isn't that much different than the current Millennium figures. Just a few subtle changes that seem to make a world of difference. She does have round shoulders though, but my images tend to make them look bigger than they are. I think Maus' image is more representative of her actual figure.

This is G.I.R.L. in Studio. Post was painted clothing and integration with a photo in PS.

I love her look and I, personally, prefer her more toonish, so I don't like seeing her in "skin" textures anymore than I like to see Sara with them. To me it takes them out of their ToonWorld.

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~so I don't like seeing her in "skin" textures~ goes and sits in corner ;P

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I like using skintextures on her. I am trying all of my V3 maps on her and she really looks cool in those fantasy textures from Paul Willocks or Ecstacy.

Anyway, here is another one, a PinUp render. Poser 5 Firefly and PI XL for postwork (filter added).

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Ok, you two...lol...we can agree to disagree...yes? ;) Cris

Hehe, yes we can :-)

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I don't care for the fat wrists and ankles in most of the images posted here. But they look okay in Cris' image. Is there a morph to slenderize the wrists and ankles, or is it just the angle in that pic?

"I love her look and I, personally, prefer her more toonish, so I don't like seeing her in "skin" textures anymore than I like to see Sara with them. To me it takes them out of their ToonWorld." I completely Agree!! No offense to anyone but the "vickyization" of this model with photorealistic skin textures and transmapped hair, totally destroys her original Charm :-(. she looks like a modified "mill girl" or "preteen" this way I plan on using her only with basic colored skin and yes the solid hair!! to each their own however :-)

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If I hadn't added this textures and hair I would have had to post her bold in her base color only and without eyebrows. We just got the latest version with her original hairstyle and texture few hours ago.

Regarding skintextures: you have to keep in mind that maybe one of the first questions will be: can I use my V3 textures on her or do I have to buy all new textures. The option to use V3 skins adds to the variety and I think this is a good thing :-).

randym77, there is a KneeThin and AnkleThin morph included that is set to 1 by default (in my images to 1.5).

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So where is the download for the Free GIRL???? Seems everybody has a copy of the model except people that want it, even people that don't want it have it. Daz Forum is flooded with pictures now. I know, I know. Brokers get advanced copies to produce things, I know. Just seems like another market deluge. So we all know what the IT of the week is, anybody have a clue or idea what the next big IT is gunna be? I am so burned out and could care less and less about this stuff.

Here she is with a V3 texture in some stuff I'm working up. I did some feet-leg morphs, as I thought her stock feet were a little big for shoes like these. ;-) Incidently, all you have to do to switch an already morphed GIRL from standard to V3 mapping is to point the CR2 to the other OBJ file, I wonder if you can do that with a pose?

I am so burned out and could care less and less about this stuff. Mind if I join you? Let's face it: within the first month, we'll see: -- "Impractical armour" -- Fairy ear morphs -- Lots of textures for the bra and thong -- a few thousand hair colour textures -- a vaginal morph Did I miss anything?

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Hi, Randy. It is the angles I try to choose. Kind of like people photograph better from one side than another. Same thing. Camera focal lengths, posing a certain way...they all do different things. MC, of course there is hype with pics from the brokers. Heck, that was to be expected. We've been trying to finish our products (while G.I.R.L. was being finalized) and were just waiting for the word to be able to show things, so it should be expected that the brokers would all show at the same time. It's a business and promotion is the way you create excitement. Now, if the products for G.I.R.L., or any coming product from anyone - DAZ or otherwise, didn't look good, then you wouldn't get excitement or the hoped for anticipation. I'm sorry you feel burned out and I do understand where you come from with that, but I've sure worked hard on my stuff and can only hope it pleases some. Cris

Cris I understand. Didn't mean to come off sort of the way I did. Daz forum just got flooded and any non GIRL related stuff is hard to find right now. There is just a feelin as if the model were already released however it's only the brokers. oh well, another month and it will be something else. I have to learn to lighten up, it's becoming more and more difficult for me to do. Sorry bout dat.

NP, MC. Here's a different perspective from the other side (the one tinged with paranoia for the broker W): "Ok, they've given us permission to put up images...cool, here we go. Wow, lots of nice things. Oh, nice, someone responded. Oh, wow, my stuff is already down at the bottom of 'last viewed'? Does anyone like G.I.R.L.? Does anyone like what I'm making? Sheesh, only a day out with images and hardly anyone has said anything. Oh, cool, someone responded...oh, that they don't like toons." LOL, there's always another perspective on any of these things, eh? Cris

Cris, when DAZ releases The G.I.R.L.? Any date?

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Unfortunatey, I don't have a firm date, just a very strong very soon. Normally, once they give the go-ahead to brokers to post, it's really around the corner (if there are no last minute problems). Cris

Thanks for the info, all. Are you allowed to talk about how she's rigged? Does it make her difficult to pose?

LOL @ Sean. You forgot "morphs to make her boobs even bigger."

And I was wondering what Jim was gonna do. He complains about SP's feet being too big. GIRL looks like a hobbit pinup. All she needs is a "hairy feet" texture. ;-)

" How can you not love her?" easy.. she looks like 2 things.. a little girl with boob's and 'the perfect cutesy factor' I'll stick with H.E.R. if I use a toon at all.. bows out at this point

Jim .... very nice :) Sean, we all know how you feel about Daz and anything other than P4 or Littlefox characters ;) And btw, some of us actually like things like impractical armour and fairy ear morphs (not that I've made either for Girl). Just because you don't, doesn't mean the market isn't there for these things. For example .... I was begged via email and forum posts to make a M2 version of a piece of my clothing. Got no less than 30 emails. So I did it. Know how many sales I've gotten so far? 2. Yeap, just 2. And at $2.49 a pop, minus the store take, how much do you think I make from that! So from now on you know what I'm gonna do? Go with the bloody market. No more M2 or V2 stuff. If it is impractical armour, so be it. I'm not in this modelling business to make friends, nor waste time on items that people 'say' they want but never buy. I'm in this business to make money and put food on the table for my children. As a sole parent this is my one and only concern. So the next time you want to whine about your issues with anything not related to P4 figures or Koshini and Ichiro, or how V3 stuff is the bane of all existance, why not think twice before you do and remember that some of us actually need to make our living from this industry. And no I will not lighten up :P

Xena, if I used M2 I'd buy it. Fact is I don't LOL. I think everyone is doing great work with her and yep I'm buying her the moment she hits the store. What's impractical to some isn't to others. Bring on the fantasy stuff, since that's what I use. Hand painted textures, unconventional clothing, that's what interests me. You have to go with what the market calls for. Right now she is the next big thing waiting to happen.

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as someone who is in the exact same boat Xena is in, I'll agree with her assessment -- but I'm a touch lighter (well, ok, it's not light, it's crazy, but light sounds nicer, so get over it, ok?) but, in any case, I'm very interesting in seeing more images with the limbs bent -- that, all by itself, could make me buy this figure -- and I very much want to see what she's capable of.

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we all know how you feel about Daz and anything other than P4 or Littlefox characters ... the latter of which are sold at DAZ. Hmm, funny, eh? Lady, I spend plenty there; dont worry. Sorry it's not been any of your stuff, but that's how it goes, ma'am.

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"You have to keep in mind that the original version renders were in MAX and that it was subdivied twice at render time, giving the illusion of greater mesh density. "

I understand how that works, it's a popular technique (hell, we use it all the time). The concept of apparent mesh density was the thing I was commenting on.

More and more of us are rendering in other programs, so we simply slap another subdivide on the mesh there (after we pose it) but it would still be nice if the figures looked a little better in poser. Maybe a hi and low rez version?

"It makes it sound as though these figures have been ran through some conversion utility."

Not at all. When I use the term (which isn't often) I use it to refer to a process... and there is such a process. Mesh optimization, material zones, joint parameters and so on - that is all specific to Poser.

"I would have to say that it gets very tiresome in "high end" circles having to fend off the "low end Poser" attacks, and some of what I see in this thread borders on that...and in a Poser forum no less! "

It's not an attack, it's simply a statement of opinion. If the figures look as good as they did in their initial form then GIRL is worth the money to me. If it is not going to look as good then it's value is much, much less... whatever the reason. The same is true with HER. Obviously that isn't a price issue, but it does determine how much time I will put into working with the figure.

The Poser world is shaking some of the stigma. A growing number of professional artists are using it int heir pipeline and that brings with it a different sensibility - one that means it has to look good >period< to be useful - not just look going considering poser's limitations.

Honestly? The GIRL/Daz thing is just a way to get a hold of her mesh. I might never really use her in Poser and drag her straight into Max to build a rig. If GIRLS was available on TurboSquid for 149$ rigged in max I would pull out my card in a heartbeat and never look back. Getting her via poser is a secondary concern bit the only one available right now. Similarly I don't have a problem paying for the Max version of HER if I need a figure of that type.

"Maybe it's a point of naivety on my part, but I actually have faith in the customers, that they will accept that such figures are not going to be identicle to thier source versions, but will be as close as they can be while taking as many advantages as they can from the positive aspects of what Poser has to offer."

And that is true for the hobbyist market. But as I said the Poser community is getting what it wanted - more and more high end people are looking at it. That tends to mean the bar is set a bit higher. I don't say the figures are bad - but I do reserve the right to decide if I think they are "good enough".

Things are changing out there. A good looking, fully rigged female for #ds can be found for $89. As more artists start following Posers ability to do good work until they run slap into its deep limitations (the joint system) and with Daz | Studio not a viable alternative any time soon some of them will jump up the the increasingly inexpensive "low end of the high end".

The more seriously poser is used, the more stratified the market will be. That's just capitalism at work.

~Sorry it's not been any of your stuff, but that's how it goes, ma'am.~ You seriously think I said what I said because you haven't bought my things (which I wouldn't know anyway as Daz doesn't give us a buyer list)? Whatever. As if I'd ever be that needy or shallow.

I'm a little confised by what your comment was supposed to mean Xena. It seemed to say that there was some emotional basis for the comments. It certainly >seemed< to imply that Sean wouldn't spend money at Daz, or on anythign other than LittleFox characters. A well, I don't mean to get in the middle of this personal stuff, it just seemed like a strangely personal comment and I was thinking I was missing some crucial context.

Who understands what she was trying to do, Soul? Xena is someone whom I seriously considered a friend, and I've been as supportive of her work as anyone because she is good. I guess that's no longer good enough. But I gather my feelings, which are fairly well known, for most of DAZ's stuff are fair game when someone wants to make a specious point or two. Whatever.

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After seeing some pics, I must confess mixed feelings. In some pics this character looks like it renders really well, with properly toony proportions, other pics are quite a turn off, with a very odd body shape. It seems that the rigging is done cleverly since there are no joint creases, but the images don't specify wether postwork was used or not. To answer the question in the title of this thread, I think I'll hold back a few weeks to see what's coming next and at what price.

I don't think Maus did any post on the legs in her image. Her bends are really good. No postwork in my images.

Ysaen, there are some rather interesting things about her rigging that aren't seen on other models. Quite inventive :) As with all new models she has solid JCMs, which if the truth be told I hate with a passion.

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I guess I can say a little about how she is rigged. Biggest change is her legs are splayed out about 20 degrees, and bent forward about 12 degress when zeroed. She does bend better because of that, but no existing Victoria or Posette poses will work properly on her legs. Pants are rather easier to fit to the new shape, but skirts are much harder. Converting existing garments is also going to be difficult. But I will sneak in another pic...

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Xena thanks for those clear "rear shots" after seeing jim burtons image in post#93 i was genuinely concerned the little lady might slide right off of her chair for lack of ass!!! :-)

Now that that I see her in poser with all of the usual poser market
looks and styles I Frankly cant see this figure as being signifigantly better
than Neftoon, Alexa, SARA-1, or H.E.R from the great Sixus1.
ALL of which i already own.

finally Good or bad I am the one who initially posted images
of the original Goosens girl here at renderosity one year ago next month. I hope she lives up to the hype for most of you
at this point im struggling to stifle a yawn ;-)

*(walks away wondering why commercial products
for an over hyped toon babe are given waivers to
post in the regular poser forum ;-) )

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While the "usual poser stuff" does tend to tone down her unique look somewhat, that isn't really an issue. The underlying character design is simply awesome, a slam dunk home run. One of the things about her that is so nice is how she looks when she is rendered right with shaders, not textures. Between the advanced shaders available in P5 and a well rigged mesh she is going to show up in ways that none of the other toons could really handle. As with anything else she can look bland or amazing, but she can be >very< amazing.

The post was not initiated by someone working on her or affiliated with DAZ, AFAIK, but if it gets too much more commercial, it may be more appropriate in Product Showcase. Questions about rigging, joints, and textures all benefit the community because an improvement might carry over to other figures or a warning about problems save hardship for people. As long as this thread is useful, my inclination would be to let it stay (no matter my biases about the figure in question or toons in general), but if the forum starts getting spammed or this thread turn into an irritating sales pitch, it will get moved. The tenor of this thread is up to the contributers. Carolly Poser Coordinator

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" this thread turn into an irritating sales pitch" it did that around post 66... shrug maybe this time when I uncheck email me someone replies, I'll stop getting bloody posts from this thread...

Again I apologize for jumping the gun. The tone of messages and my (REALLY) misreading one in the DAZ forums lead to this message and thread getting started. I do appreciate the sneak peeks of GIRL. Thanks

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Absolutely will begin looking more closely at this figure, then -- the jointing used by Kim in MAX was incredibly elaborate and complex -- something a a work of art unto itself. Xena, thanks bunches for the additional shots -- there was one I noted in the DAZ thread that had me slightly bothered (also by maus) becuase of the way area nder the knee looked. Jim, I'm one of them weirdos that doesn't worry too much about Vicki compatibility -- I use the daz folks only becuase I can get the stuff I need for them. If another figure had the same general support, I'd use it. And if this figure can bend better, then others can. Dang, I'm actually getting a little excited, lol

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Here's mine. I'm not a broker, though. DAZ just said it was ok to post my render. ;) My net connection has been down or I would have posted it earlier.

V3 high res maps, one of the starlet face maps that Anton did, and UpDo2. Rendered in Poser. Clothes are painted on, so uh, ignore how crappy they are. =p

As the thread has been moved to the Product Showcase getto I might as well stick in another pic, this is the GIRL in a dress that will be part of a set with the jumpsuit, the green one is her version of my cheongsam. Word from DAZ is she will be out next week, BTW, so I was right. ;-)

why is the product showcase a "ghetto"??? just curious why a fellow merchant would use such a demeaning term to describe the forum where we promote our digital content.

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I may be wrong but I think that Jim Burton may be referring to the fact that this thread no longer apparantly meets the high standards of the regular, high traffic Poser forum. Why stuff gets bounced around like this is a mystery to me, and without the ebot breadcrumbs it's impossible to track an interesting thread that's unfolding. I realize that in many ways this one did become a product development discussion, but one that is obviously is generating alot of interest. I'm sure that no slight on the forum was intended, just the zookeepers.

krimpr- Exactly right, thanks!