Crescent, if you are here at renderosity or if someone knows how to get this to Crescent, I want him or her to know that on their MATs explained pages at fallencity.net, they incorrectly say that the element "KsColor" is for ambient color. "KsColor" is for highlight color and "KaColor" is for ambient color. They are reversed and caused me much confusion. Actually, I thought I told him or her about it a number of years ago but it has not been changed. If you still update the site, change it because as it is, it causes one to have to change all their MAT work if they followed it... Thanks