Greetings folks, Im usualy a reader here most of the time, and I don't post very often here. I have been along time fan of the Bryce Talk (BT1) and the new BT2 site. I have just gotten my copy of Susan Kitchens,Victor Gavenda "Real World Bryce 4" Its a serious update from the real world Bryce 2. But the bottom line is alot of the requests and techniques that are asked about in this forum are covered in the RWB4 book. The book breaks down every detail of the program and is covered upto version 4.1. For what I have read, sofar the book should have been the original Bryce 4 Manual! If you folks want a good bryce 4 book. I would recomend getting this book as soon as possible. It's a definate must.. Even the book offers the hint that Bryce 5 is being put together as we speak.. Just thought I would share this with you folks. Keep on rendering ~Blacksteel