Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=725549&Start=1&Artist=Arvanor&ByArtist=Yes

Hi there.I just have one question.One of my images, titled "I am hit" has now the subtitle Violence,but what the heck,i cant see any violence in this picture or am i blind.the only thing that is hurt in this image is the little flying board.

A somehow confused Poser artist.

Message edited on: 08/18/2004 11:04

Message edited on: 08/18/2004 11:04

If by my life or death I can protect you, I will!

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=724815

And yet, here's a picture featuring both nudity and violence, and that hasn't been annotated, yet. Inconsistent, no?

I don't see any violence, unless "standing in a sort of karate-like pose while shiny streaks of light zoom around you" now counts as violence... So, uhm, I'm confused, too. bonni

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Maybe someone confused the tattoos with blood?

Someone may have interpreted the flash-bold passing behind the surfer from the right as a bolt from the left entering his torso. With a title like I'm hit, that's an understandable inference. Just inverted perception. The smoke from the damaged engine isn't that pronounced. Several folks have the responsibility for scanning the galleries, in 12 or 24 hour chunks. different people at different times may use perceive a post differently. It's done by humans, not Ebots, so just accept that perceptions vary. If you feel strongly about it, you can either contact an admin or rework the pic slightly and repost. It's like those optical pics "Is this a vase or two faces". Same pic, different experience to the viewer. Thought it was a good pic, myself, but if the smoke was elongated and trailing off sharply to the right it would look more dynamic - as it is, it looks a little like the figure is doing Tai Chi or something on a stationary floating board. . . . just my 2 cents worth, opposing views expected and encouraged . . . ;-)

Did you receive notice of the change? If someone changes something like that, it's common curtesy to email the artist and let them know, and the reasons why. That also gives you someone to negotiate with about the change. I don't think anyone who gave a good look to the render could mistake the tats as blood. And the supposed amount of violence is so minimal that I can't see it deserving a violence rating. As for inconsistancy, remember that the mods react to complaints more than anything else. They don't have time to evaluate every picture as it's posted. So if someone complained about it, but not the other pic mentioned here... Although now that it has been mentioned, it'll probably get both flags slapped on. I suppose it could be a glitch in the 'sity's software.

No i didnt receive notice of the change.And the tat is on Valens skin.That is very confusing.

If by my life or death I can protect you, I will!

in the navy we called that 'gun boating'- automaticly checking 'ok' in all the form boxs without actually looking

Well, I played safe with the first pic I posted, but the "violence" tag is probably not needed. On the whole, the tags here are pretty sensible. There's another site which has a category of SF, Fantasy, and Horror; that's a bad category because it puts "Star Trek" in the same category as "Night of the Living Dead". But, yeah, if the mods apply a tag, it would be polite if they told you. They can automatically email you if somebody replies to a forum post. It doesn't seem difficult to fire off an email if somebody changes a tag on a piece of your art.

Now, after looking at your picture, and taking it in conjunction with the title and description, I think I would have put a "violence" tag on it. Popping off a few shots with a blaster doesn't seem very friendly to me.

I see the Violence tag has gone away again...

Someone killed the Violence tag?!? Call the FBI, CIA, MIB!! We have a Tag murderer in the gallery!!! =8O

Yes the tag has been removed.It was also a little bit amusing because i am not the type of guy who creates images with acts of violence. Greetings Marko

If by my life or death I can protect you, I will!

I tagged it. The title said "I am hit", the subject is in the middle of a battle, and it looked like the laser/magical/electrical bolt was supposed to be going through the guy on the board (coming from the side of his chest and his arm is up stiffly), or possibly just grazing his back... but it looks like he has just been hit. I wouldn't expect blood from an electrical bolt. If the bolt had just hit the board (I notice some smoke from the propellor), there ought to be sparks (at a minimum). If it had hit the board a couple of seconds ago, rider and board would have parted company (there are no straps on his feet). So, the thumbnail says "I've been hit" and what I saw was a guy standing there with a bolt coming out of his side, and more bolts around, indicating an attack... and I tripped the flag. I apologize for misreading the image. The artist contacted another staffer, who tripped the flag back. These flags are really easy to correct if we get it wrong. If we wrote messages to every single person who doesn't set the nudity flag or the violence flag, it would take a week to cover just one day's worth (200 images, most of them nude, half of them untagged). It would be more courteous, and we used to if we had several untagged images by the same person. Sometimes we also untag something which doesn't need it. As for consistency, there are 2 factors in play. First is definition and second is... have we seen it yet. (It takes time to patrol the gallery.) Nudity is more consistent than violence, but if the piece is shadowed or obscured enough, it can sometimes not require the tag. The basic defination is: not wearing clothes. We all know what a nipple or penis looks like, but bare butts are also nude, as is revealing clothing. If the dress is so sheer as to show the nipples or the "armor" is a bikini made of teeny-tiny plates and the pubic hair shows... well, it is nude. If nudity shows in the thumbnail, but not the main image, it is nude. Yes, there are people who'll flash a breast in the thumbnail to get more hits. We are also supposed to tag it if the title says there is nudity. Violence is iffier. Vicky standing there in the temple with shiny sharp object isn't violent. If she is covered in blood? If we see the dead man or decapitated critter? What if they are bloody? What if they aren't dead yet? What if they are dead and dismembered? Body parts should be violent. What if the pieces are neatly stacked, like a chair made of bones? Or a chalice made from a skull? Well, if we don't know whose skull, it probably isn't violent. What if it isn't Vicky but a slobbering beast eating her head first? What if the beast is using a knife and fork? What if it is an animal with a spear in it? What if the animal is wearing clothes? Do aliens deserve a violence tag if they are the victims? What if the witch is dropping a frog in the stewpot... but that is really an enchanted prince named Basil? What if there is an attack with swords and axes and pointy sticks? A bloody mess usually equals violence. Guns and rifles being used usually equals violence. What if those are magical spellbolts? Laserbeams? Electrocution? No blood, but people are still dying. Poison? Aunt Agatha's Rhubarb Wine? Wrestling isn't violent... ask Lacoon and his sons. Is it violent if the man shoots himself or the woman slits her wrists? Well, yes. What if the vampire has just taken a nip? Neatly? With not a drop on his lace cravat? We don't have a complete list, possibly because humans are very creative when it comes to ways to hurt each other... and some images are more graphic than others. Basically, I apply an "ouch" factor. If somebody is getting stabbed, shot, clobbered, or zapped, it is going to hurt. How much is this going to hurt? Some members are also very averse to blood, so excessive blood will often be enough, even if it is all over the walls. I don't really have an ickiness or "cringe" factor, but if someone was getting smothered under alien snail glop and it looked like he was struggling, that would probably be considered violent. Giant spiders don't have many friends, either. I like spiders, but a certain movie-maker doesn't. And over all is the question: would this upset people to stumble over without warning? If more of the artists here would apply the flags when needed, we wouldn't have to make as many judgement calls. We might even have more time to write messages. However, if you do disagree, you can always contact us. Carolly Poser Coordinator

"If more of the artists here would apply the flags when needed, we wouldn't have to make as many judgement calls." And I'd have to spend less time explaining myself to my workmates. :) As for violence, my yardstick is: would I get arrested if I did this in real life, or had done it?

Well I just saw a GIRL pic that looked pretty violent to me; I am certain that behind her she was concealing her dead agent she had just murdered for getting her a gig as a PinUp!

~LOL! Love your post Carolly, thanks for enlightening us on the hassles you have to go through to make the call. I don't envy that task at all.

If we wrote messages to every single person who doesn't set the nudity flag or the violence flag, it would take a week to cover just one day's worth (200 images, most of them nude, half of them untagged). It would be more courteous, and we used to if we had several untagged images by the same person. Sometimes we also untag something which doesn't need it.

LOL! I can only imagine, and it's one of the reasons I would NOT want the job of being a mod! ;)

bonni Message edited on: 08/20/2004 00:20

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