"Whoa, what, now you're trying to say I stole something??"

Then in a later post: "and i did just that, until xoconostle implied that i stole something in my last render..." No, no, not sure how you got that impression. When I wrote that I didn't even know about this mysterious "demo" of P5 you're using, when to my knowledge there is no P5 demo. I thought the smiley would help. I looked at your gallery, saw the most recent render. I took the render to be metaphorical, symbolizing mental prisons, not real ones. What I meant was that it'd be terrible for erroneous ideas about copyright to lead to any sort of anguish, that's all. I was not implying theft, I'm not a mindreader, just a between-the-lines reader. :-) This was just a misunderstanding.

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Sephyn74- If you really believe you are right, then you should publicise what you have done (and be SURE to do those things that you claim you have a "right" to do) and then let DAZ and CURIOUS LABS sue you! If you are in fact right, you should EASILY WIN! No-Brainer! I would say, TAKE THEM ALL ON, send them your complete name, address, telephone number and samples of how you have exercised your version of the copyright law and then stick out your tongue and say "Nah-Ya! Nah-Ya!, Can't Touch Me!" I think that would CLEARLY settle everything once and for all, and you would become FAMOUS and maybe even wind up OWNING DAZ and Curious Labs after their legal actions failed! (...Runs For Bomb Shelter)

Egads, Becco_UK must be feeling like someone stole this thread. Or maybe they just lengthened it, added some warts, changed the tune, and claimed it as their own.

Becco, I love the models that you create. I love the art that you produce. I respect you as a person and an artist. Even so, faced with the same situation I would have conducted myself differently at DAZ. However, I do believe that they are treating you very badly there. Perhaps what upsets me most about this whole matter is the way in which people here at Rosity were so fast to attack and condemn you. I wondered if they had even read your story, or just simply glanced at it so that they could move to the next thread.

someone stole this thread.<< No, they didn't steal it, they changed enough of it that it's now legally theirs...

The other thread is not dead. You have publicly claimed and admitted to be using software and models which you did not purchase and to which you have no legal rights. That is warez. We have a zero-tolerance policy on this site. No amount of quoting from copyright law will help unless that citation is pertinant and on point. I have asked Spike (site Admin) to look into this matter. I also wish to thank those people who have been courteous while trying to explain to you why it is wrong to possess and use both the software and the models. It is not just DAZ and CuriousLabs who are hurt, but the makers of all the rest of the software on your fully-loaded machine, and all the good people who have spent the last week trying to help you, without realizing the backstory. Carolly Poser Coordinator

Sephyn said: "... that topic was dropped LAST WEEK. you're beating a dead horse." Hehe obviously you haven't been in the forums for long. Else you'd know that referencing a week old thread is not that uncommon. Heck some 6 months back I remember reading a thread in which a person tried to reference a thread made few years back, but apparently it was archived and no longer available via just browsing the old threads. Don't remember the subject of the issue anymore, but somehow that image of desperately seeking a n-year old thread stuck with me :D

LOL @ martian_manhunter Actually, there is one sense in which it is possible to modify meshes. I can quite legally take a prop by Becco_UK or anyone else and modify the hell out of it for my own use. I can post pictures of the result. I can say that the pictures show my version of Becco's prop, or if it is unrecognizable from the original I can claim (falsely) it's my prop and no-one will be any the wiser. What I CAN'T do is give or sell the modified prop to anyone else.

What I CAN'T do is give or sell the modified prop to anyone else.
...Leading to the "Ignorance is bliss." becoming fully aware. Boy this has been a most interesting topic to read through. Lotsa fun! Even though it's been hijacked twice over and totally deviated from the topic... which was... ummmm... ...ah! Here it is. 80 posts back. Banned from DAZ. I can say that I've not been banned from DAZ, shame about your banning. Ah well. Such is life, time to move on.