gosh... a week in rendering time. Finished after dinner today... Phew... Me and the puter are exhausted. *lol* I've submitted it to the challenge arena, but since the last time I did that (and got a confirming thingy in the submission area), - it never got to the moderators, I'm also posting it here.. Thank you tjohn.. I followed your fire tutor ('cept I used Clays fire), added the candles, fixed the picture frame, - Hmm... what else? Thank you, everyone for good tips, help and critique Britt