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I just realized there was no discussion about this topic, so here it goes.. The Millenium Kids are here!! comments anyone?

wait, is it just me or these guys are not unimesh?? so they're not compatible with all the 3rd generation maps? anyway, my first opinion: they look really bad... probably will wait for the character packs.

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It says they are...maps i mean....Steve

I often use the PreTeen, with appropriate adult morphs and proportions.
This makes for great characters of women in their early 20's with girl next door proportions (as opposed to the statuesque and towering V3).

Stephanie Petite seems also in the same line, but I cannot buy each and every model (and all the maps and wardrobe and morphs...).

It seems that Linda (for Laura) can play the same part, with a little work (it seems DAZ designers have a real fondness for short legged women) :
http://secure.daz3d.com/shop.php?op=itemdetails&item=2756

On the other hand, spending 70$ to buy a character with no wardrobe to do the same things I do with a fully clothed character I already own is a bit pointless.
Laura will have to prove she has much more than the Pre Teen to get my vote (and money)...

I would really be interested by a quick render of the PreTeen and Laura side by side.

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They are unimesh, you can use any V3 or M3 David or S3Petite maps on them. I think they're great. This is just a quick render. Marque

Here are the meshes, new teens on the left. Marque

Here's a quick render, side by side. New teen on the left. Marque

Here is the new teen with the AprilV3 morph and texture. I have tried a few so far and they work. Marque

Here is the Dolly morph and texture. Marque

The body morphs work but not the way you would expect, just changes the look a little. So far I am very happy with these, we've needed a higher mesh on these characters for a long time, and the added benefit is that now that they are here I think more merchants will jump in and we will finally get young teen clothes for them. Buy them or no, it's your choice. But please don't slam them unless you try them for yourself. We all know that Daz is not that great on showing off their products. Also you can get a refund if you get them and don't like them. Can't go wrong with that. Marque

I am particularly interested to know if Luke and Laura can use other figures texture maps, like M3 or V3. Could someone tell me if they know? Thanks! Jay

Quick one of the new teen female.

I am particularly interested to know if Luke and Laura can use other figures texture maps, like M3 or V3. Could someone tell me if they know? Luke has David's mapping, and Laura has Stephanie Petite's mapping, so they're as inter-compatible as David and Stephanie, basically. bonni

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Here are the boys side by side

And the meshes

Where are the preschool figures??

I bet tomorrow or the next few days we are surprised by DAZ with bundle offers :P ....
At the moment I wait and see....

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And with maps new teen on the left in all of these.

They use ALL the maps, as I've shown with the V3 and M3 maps. That's the cool thing about the unimesh figures, SP3 and David can use all the maps as well. All interchangable, so you don't need to run out and buy more maps. 8^) Marque

Yup. But I prefer Dodger's teens from Poserpros. Not only for the price, but also (or even more) because I prefer the way faces and bodies are sculpted. I personally find that the "classic" Milkids are more inspiring, more "beautiful" if you want. Just like I find Stephanie more attractive than V3 or SP. I see neither need not use for those new characters now as Dodger's take all the V3 morphs and mats etc. and cost only about $11 per person. IF you own V3 that is.

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All interchangable, so you don't need to run out and buy more maps. They're not all 100% the same. There are oddities here and there. For example, the International Beauties maps don't line up with the boy's belly button (if I recall correctly from a render I saw). I can't give precise details because of non-disclosure and all that, but suffice it to say that not all the of the unimesh figures are 100% compatible with each other. They are "close enough" for most things, though. SP and V3 can and do share maps very nicely, and Laura can wear SP/V3 maps very well, too. :-) bonni

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Wow...FINALLY enough polys to do that 20.000 X 20.000 ULTRA-HI-REZ render I always wanted to do...NOT !

Ok, just KIDding.... ;-)

But seriously, apart from reducing the heads y-scale a bit and adding a booby morph, I see no big difference to the V2 Mil-Teen.

Nothing you could do to V3 with the help of some magnets.

And I think instead of some LATE-TEENS we rather need some REAL-KIDS, similar to the old P4-Kids.

Heres an inbetween Mil-Girl character I made with magnets to fill the gap between Pre-School and Pre-Teen:

All other morphs still work and the clothing still fits fine, too.

So why not just sell a magnet set for V3 and M3 if you really think you HAVE to have an Unimesh Teen?

Why should people pay again and again for a mesh they already have ?
(AND new morphs AND new clothing ?)

To be honest, why do we need a HI-REZ Mil-Kid mesh at all ?

If it were a COMPLETELY NEW mesh that would give us really REALISTIC bending of the back, shoulders and neck,(And maybe JCMs), that would be a different story.

stahlratte

I have one of Dodger's Aeon kids. It's good work, but it's so heavily morphed that it's not very versatile. Well, the "grow" factor is kinda neat, but I find it hard to morph the faces. The head morphs work oddly because the head is so morphed already. I can't get reasonable-looking ethnic kids, for example. And I can't get a likeness with them; basically, the faces they come with "out of the box" are the ones they look best with.

So if these new kids have good ethnic morphs and other head morphs of the quality of the other generation 3 figures, I'd be interested.

Besides, I have $80 worth of vouchers to spend, and I'm not real keen on the MilCat so far.

I agree with stahlratte. I would like to see DAZ develop characters beyond the unimesh. Paying for the same mesh over and over again is getting old. Plus, its a regrouped version of the original Vicki mesh. With all the money DAZ is making off Bryce and Mimic, I think they could make a new scan and start over. I'm not optimistic about buying 4.0 versions if they are just expansions of a mesh used to make Vicki 1.0, especially it is being used to make male figures. Also, the young teens have less morphs than SP3 and David. And M3 had much fewer morphs than V3.

Thanks Bonnie and Marque for answering my questions about the mapping! :) Jay

Ok, I got 'em for 11 bucks, but I ain't gots no clothin. Where's the freebies? C;mon -- where are they. I want's 'em now. That or ya'll just gonna have to buy stuff from me. Dang nabbit...

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I don't think DAZ is making a lot of money off Bryce. They paid a lot of money to Corel, and still have not made it back. The "starter bundles" were supposed to help them do that, but I don't think they were as popular as DAZ hoped. Ditto the big MilCat. Hopefully these new characters will do well. They are certainly well-supported this time.

They are certainly well-supported this time... Where is the support? Did I overlook them? Where is the clothes?

I love the comments about using the unimesh over and over again...and people wanting a new mesh. Wouldnt these same people then complain when the texture maps they have for one figure will not also work on the other LOL

There's a thread at the DAZ Commons Forum - "Young Teens Pre-Release Party" - 13 pages and growing. Heavy on previews of impending MilTeen products - textures, clothing, characters, etc. As always, lots of random chatter and a bit of squabble, too. I kind of burned out by page 5 - probably get back to it later.

One thing that has me puzzled is in the promo it says the girl is backward compatable to the milgirl. Does that imply that all of my facial morphs from Gav will work?

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Well after the Daz Big Cats I kinda came to the conclusion that Daz is just out to make a buck and screw the consumer.I've looked at all the pics supplied above and the only real difference I see here are the textures on the base mesh but nothing really that special about the mesh itself.If you want your 12 year old to have breasts as big as over inflated basketballs there are several sets of free magnets out there that can do the job.

To me I have yet to see a single argument here made that these are a significant upgrade to justify this new release save that Daz knows a great number of its buyers are sheep who will buy into their promises and love them even if it turns out to be garbage.I'm sure they could turn that unimesh into a peanut and tell everyone its the latest craze and the sheep would rush out to pay $29.95 for the peanut;P

But after Big Cats was such a disaster and revealed the way Daz thinks of its customers...I would think people need to question this product as well because there just is not a significant upgrade to promote for the price.If you have the Milkids why do you need this...all I've seen are renders showing the base morph,but any fan of Thorne and Sarsa can tell you that the morph can be alterred with spectacular results.

The real test would be applying Thorne and Sarsa's or other MilKid morphs/textures to the original and stand it next to the new MilTeens with morph/textures...I don't think the comparison will impress anyone that the teens are worth more than a $5.00 upgrade fee which I must point out is what RDNA did with its LaRoo and LaRoo2 characters.

For the money,if you want a fabulous Milkid character,Daz is offering several of Thorne and Sarsa's beautiful characters at $1.99 each to Platinum Club members and if you act now,you can get free PC membership til Oct 31rst.So...either make better comparisons showing what these characters look like morphed or stop trying to say how much better the Teens are...you're comparing the base morphs and thats not what most people use when they render these characters in poser~prove its better when you apply your Milkid morphs and textures.

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I want kids that pose as well as M3/V3/D/SP. I love the PT and PS kids, but they just don't look real next to generation 3 figures. The mesh tends to break if you pose them in typical kid poses. Especially the shoulder area.

Sorry, I like Thorne's stuff but after a few they all look the same, just different textures. And as far as Dodger's teen, I got a refund because although you were supposed to be able to show them growing up, the knees were bad, and they even admitted there was a problem. If you don't like them don't buy them, but I personally think they're pretty cool. Marque

Still...this could have been done in such a way as an upgrade which is what I mean't about RDNA's LaRoo and LaRoo2~for just $5.00 you can buy the updated version of their character if you have the original.When I saw the price on the MilTeens and what you're getting for that price...well,lets just say a joke is a joke and Daz just told a whopper;P Does Daz not do anything where the idea is to slightly improve something and charge you through the nose for it??You yourself spoke of Bryce and profits being less than what they would expect...but then again,I have yet to see them really do anything that would make me want to buy Bryce from them as I can get the last version (before they bought it) for like $69.00 at Best Buy.I've also noticed a lack of progress on their own render engine and it seems to be the same sloppyiness you see on other things they've produced of late. The biggest irony for me is that if another competitor like Turbosquid would cut prices to be competitive with DAZ,I think people would flock away from DAZ in a heartbeat because quality control is almost non existent there.

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Nickedshield, I don't think PT morphs will work. It comes with a 3-to-2 figure, just like M3 and V3 did. Basically, the new MilKid head on the old preteen body. So you can use the PT clothing. But textures won't work (unless you run them through the UTC), and morphs won't work.

Oh and Marque,you obviously love them and did your best to show them in a good light...my point about Thorne and Sarsa could be made about anyone who made morphs/textures for the Milkids~there's just not enough of a difference to be worth the asking price save that the base looks better in your renders than the original base character does.Show us how much more improved it is once textures and morphs are applied to both...used thorne and Sarsa only to illustrate how beautiful the Milkids could be and how unfair it is to compare the base character to sell a point. Its "after" you apply morphs and textures that matter...not before and I don't see that comparison made here.So why not do it...show us how much more improved the new Milteens are side by side with the old Milkids,there's just no significant improvement worth mentioning and I feel that people who are wondering so they can decide to buy or not to buy deserve the facts.So what if the base character looks better...thats not the selling point,the selling point is how much better do they render compared to the old Milkids.I've seen others trying to make that argument so I know I'm not alone.

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Hummm, thanks for the feedback. Another I don't think is on my wishlist.

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I don't think the price is that bad. I won't pay anything, with the various discounts and vouchers. It's a deal for people who have just one of the MilKid figures; you get both the new ones for the upgrade price. So really, it's not that much more than LaRoo 2 cost to upgrade. The PC price is $15 - $7.50 each.

As for Bryce...they may have bitten off more than they can chew with that. It was a risk, and they admitted that upfront. At this point, anyone who wants Bryce probably already has it. It's an old program, so they probably didn't sell many copies. I don't know that Bryce 5.5 will sell all that well. It's not offering that much that's new. But a lot of Bryce fans will probably buy it just to support Bryce, so maybe it will work out. I do think that DAZ has a few too many irons in the fire right now. P5 support, D|S, Bryce, a bunch of new figures. Quality control is definitely suffering.

I haven't bought them yet, but I like what I see in the way they are posed. They seem to have a flexibility the old MilKids don't have.

And this one. It would break the mesh of the old MilGirl.

Been futzing around with them so far. Since I have no clothing (yet), I'm just playing around. however, the reasons for purchase are: 1- Texture compatibility with v3 textures. 2- Improved joint setup (they bend better) 3- cleaner overall mesh (and easier to morph) 4- Better general product support for boys 5- They supplement the PreTeen figures -- giving me 3 different age groups -- as they are not as young looking. 6- Thorne & co are now making new figures using them and the other v3 stuff. Issues 1- they still ain't P5 set 2- they are pricey (but then, it's DAZ. Everything is pricey). 3- They use Inj/Rem stuff -- so life's gonna suck yet again for P4 users' Pose Libraries, and it's still a hack. 4- They use erc. Still a hack.

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1- they still ain't P5 set

What?! Well, that's disappointing.

Well, DAZ still doesn't officially support P5, so it's really not fair to say that (but I'm crazy, not fair, and I want them to support P5, lol)

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Stahlratte, good work on the character!

You must remember that not everyone has the original Millenium kids, there are a lot of new users out there and they will want the newer version. At least there is a concerted effort to support the boys which was not the case before. Daz is a business, so of course they are going to keep producing new figures, that doesn't mean that you have to buy them all,nobody HAS to buy anything, nobody is holding a gun to our heads here!

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I bought them and I like them very much! Here is a quick render of Laura with V3 Textures and Morphs, didn't turn out too bad!

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Armorbeast I only showed them because someone asked for some shots comparing them. And the renders I did weren't even set up, just grabbed them and threw textures on them. Why are you slamming me for doing someone a favor? If you don't like them don't buy them, no one is twisting your arm to buy from Daz, and no one is saying you can't use the old versions. I just think it's odd that folks have been begging for clothes and now there will be plenty. If the old chars were so great, why haven't vendors been creating stuff for them the way they did V2, M2 and the new characters? Next time I won't do the favor of showing them and that way you won't be offended. Marque

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I hope more people who are pleased with these new kids and the MilBigCat will start posting as much as the ones complaining about them. Expecting one mesh to morph into a dozen breeds of cat is a little much; I think with the exception of the tiger's "jowls", it does a good job for the price. These new kids do look younger than David and Steph Petite, and like Rawnrr said, if they didn't use unimesh textures, there would be a million complaints about that. :) DAZ isn't trying to screw anyone, if they're making any mistake, it's trying to please everyone at once. Constructive criticism and ideas for improvement are always worth sharing, but one really shouldn't complain about a product that they don't even intend to buy. SnowS

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Hrm. From the side-by-side, esp the mesh renders, they are a lot more like the teens I know then the original PT figures. But that has more to do with the low quality of the originals then the quality of the new stuff. The original PT, esp the boy, always makes me think of the Lacoon group; that early first-century sculpture where the sculptor obviously couldn't be bothered to look at references of real children and made scaled-down adults instead. The new mesh is better rounded and less defined in the way many teens are -- particular kudos for the thick ankles. But....how many teens do you know that are seven heads tall? Seven heads? Most of the adult women I know aren't seven heads tall! Stahlratte's preteen posted in this thread is by far a more realistic approximation of a child (I work theater, including children's theater, and I got "little girls" coming out of my ears this month thanks to "Annie.") The new joints look good....but this is, really, obvious commercial crap from DAZ. They rushed the original PT into release with incredibly poor joints and a mesh design, particularly the head shape and face, that instantly betrayed it as a Victoria1.0 retread. Instead of fixing the joints V2 style, and offering it at a reasonable upgrade cost, they've chosen to introduce YET ANOTHER figure into the mix. Sometimes I wonder if they are as much fighting to detroy the usefullness of all the old free stuff (who uses Posette these days, after all?) so they can push more new product. If it weren't for Platinum Club most Poser figures would be going bare!

Okay, I do have to say....what was or was not done with the old PT is water under the bridge. Making another of the unimesh family is the smart way to go at this time. Sharing of morphs and textures makes the burden on the end-user a little less. And those joints look, from here, excellent. I am a little frightened that they might use JCMs, which have been historically used more like bandaids for bad joint design then as the tools they could be, and have proven a huge pain for clothing makers as well. But a gander at reality? They'll sell a few to those people who just have to have the latest thing, and a lot more to newbies who will be led by the nose to think there are no other options. But what will these figures be used for? In a sort of Olber's Law I expect for every "Kid with sunbonnet" pic or character package there will be two fae and four big-boobed versions. And given all the -- more appropriate -- existing material for the latter catagories, is this really a useful product?

The good news is that more clothing, textures and poses have been released. You will find them in the Daz Original and Published Artist's Forum. Shorsha and Throne also have released an updated Pookling set with wings. I'm looking for the Prom night set and the fantasy set when they become available. As for the Aeon Figures... Someone mentioned that they don't take face morphs too well. Funny, I was able to apply the "Arwen" morph which is located here with no problems whatsoever. Then again I'm also using AEON figures to learn how to convert clothing. To repeat an earlier comment... No one is twisting your arm to buy this. Right now, DAZ, Dodger and Sixus1 are the only three that have Pre-teen or younger figures on the market (that I have found). I held off on buying the original Pre-teens because I was not impressed. I like these new models.

Can someone please post a whole body shot of the pooklings? And are there clothes for them now? Thanks Marque

One thing that's a little odd...these characters are called teens or young teens. But they're the same size as the old preteens. Why not make preteens again? Dave and SP make decent-looking teens, with a few dial tweaks, so I'd prefer younger kids. Can you make these new MilKids look younger?

I'm pleased.....The clothes are SUPERB! Congrats, to all the artist & there hard work! Yes Marque...PLENTY of clothes up already & I'm waiting for a few more :) LOL

I bought them (and I'm no noobie and I don't particularly think I let myself be led by the nose, although, hey I could be wrong).

They bend better, absolutely. Some of the M2 expressions also give very natural results on Laura (haven't played with Luke at all yet). Much more realistic and less caricature-like than a lot of expressions, although there is a slight difference (but it's pleasing).

But yeah, DAZ could do something about the last 2 animal releases; and hell could freeze over.

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well, i did the mistake to comment on the "boxed" versions of the Millenium teens... who the heck does their promo stuff?? and yeah., seeing all the pics here have changed my opinion of the mill teens.. it's just that on the product page they look a bit like midgets and not really teens, but the new renders i've seen with them show otherwise. thanks for all the info and feedback!

I don't have any trouble applying V3's head morphs to the Aeon kids. They work. They just don't look that great.

This is Mary, the Aeon adolescent girl. The Arwen morph looks okay, but not really very child-like. The second image is the HdJapanese2 morph at full strength. Interesting, but it looks more like a grandmother than a child. The last image is the HdJapanese2 morph at half-strength. Better, but still not very child-like. There are very middle-aged looking bags under the eyes.

I also end up with odd bumps in the cheeks with many head morphs, even applied at very low strengths.

I think this is just the natural result of heavily morphing a figure. DarkWhisper's Teresa character is the same. Looks great "out of the box," but the face doesn't morph well.

So has anyone else had trouble installing the .exe version? I know of at least two people that get a no required content error. The ad says you need either the Millennium Girls or boys but not both. We both have just the girls and are trying to install to Poser 4. Since it's the weekend I don't have much hope for a response from Daz... ---------- I have another young girl for the Millennium Pre Scool girl in the works, Meagan, for those who expressed interest above in something younger looking. I will post a WIP picture to the Product Showcase forum shortly.

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WEll, Randym. The best I can tell you is to head over to PoserPros. Dodger has a private forum setup for support and other goodies for Aeon figures. I'm just learning myself. Anna is the Pre-teen so having more adult like feature is not a big deal to me, especially with Mary and Raphael available. Here's one I did with the Arwen Morph, Older Morph set to ".5" and the 3Dream Ponytail.

Laura with V3 Morphs and textures side by side!

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Nah, I think I'll just buy these new kids. Built-in ethnic morphs, no fuss, no muss. :-) And it looks like they'll have a ton of support.

Ingrid, did you move any of the MilGirl files? DAZ's installer might not be able to find it if you did.

If that's not it, try posting the question at the DAZ forums. Even if DAZ isn't open, there are often people who can check these problems hanging out in the forums over the weekend.

randym77 No, the files are where they installed to. Poser is not on my C drive but that shouldn't matter. I haven't had this trouble with any previous products not finding the files.

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Try posting a message in the DAZ forums, if you haven't yet. The Commons would probably be the best place, since it gets the most traffic. Someone there may be able to help you, even though it's the weekend.

Could somebody post a comparison between one of the standard Poser figures, Posette even, and one of these new ones? No need for pushing the nudity limits, either. I get the impression that these are a resaonable shape for somebody around 13-14 years old, and you could make an OK older teen, but there are some growth spurts affecting height as well.

I had the no required content message until I realized that the default folder the installer was looking for the content in was for POSER 4. I hit the search for Poser button and it located my P5 folder. After that it installed smooth as silk. mike

Thanks, it's working now.

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After reading this thread and watching the last picture, I know what's my opinion is: No needfull things I had to buy in the next few weeks.

With a little bit dialing on the Morph controls and my old MillKids... and the lot of clothing I bought... I think I'm happy enough.

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Poserworld already has a clothing set for Laura up and a pair of pants to fit both. I just purchased a character set and a clothing set for the original PreTeen but I still want the new figures. I'm really looking forward to using many of the Unimesh texture maps on the new figures. Plus, if you have the Universal Texture Converter, you can always convert your favorite PT maps for Luke and Laura, too. I am hoping we get a lot better clothing support for Luke than the poor of PS and PT Boys had. If it were not for Poserworld, those little guys would be running around naked most of the time. They never did get anywhere near the support that the girls got. My vouchers went for a free "David" starter package so I have to wait for my November voucher before I get the new kids unless any other vouchers pop up in the meantime.

I thought I should add one more thing to the thread here. Laura has got higher resolution in the cheeks, mouth, jaw etc. and that should make for better looking morphs and more variety in characters made for this figure. Even if you're not morphing the figure, the ear difference is a good example. Less sharp edges and angles. A resolution comparison image-

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