ok..so I dwnloaded Wings today..and tried it. At first..was looking at a blank screen with screens that did not look like bryce..so had no idea what I had to do. accidently right clicked...and then..my brains slowly worked. A bit. I have no idea what i did or what happened ..all i know is that I came up with some spiky stuff.. when i actually started with a torus. I HATE cubism.. I'm getting second thoughts on this.. Wings easy?? damn..I'm coming up with strange spaceships! Oh..the mat wasn't anything much..just needed to show it here..so used the first one I cld grab frm the mat thingumy. Stop laffing..you pple. here..i offer you a box of tissues to wipe the tears from your eyes.