Well, after 6 days, and 2 re renders, I finally got it fixed and how I wanted it. I forget who it was who suggested I lose the window, but they were right. It was taking attention away from what you were supposed to focus on (even though for some of us it was easier than for others!!! LOL) Anyway, this current render took about 35 hours with all the new glass and such. let me know what you think about all the post render flares and stuff, too. Good/bad--anything. TNX!