deviner, any reason you want to put gator on my system? The freebie looks nice but nothing is that nice. While I'm on that touchy subject, I wish folks would not make you go into a site blind. There are a few new items that won't let you download unless cookies are set to accept. Again, no freebie is worth allowing cookies from who knows where on my system. Spybot stopped the gator from downloading. Marque