I really hate it when anybody accuses me of being a thief. I asked for a freebie to be emailed to me, from a deceased artist, who made wonderful models. Instead, the moderators act as if I'm the antichrist, and say that I'm a terrible person. Here's something for you to chew on...I wasn't going to use it for profit. It's not available from the Taruru mirror site, and I'm pretty new to the Poser community, having only been here a handful of months. There is no reason to burn me at the stake for what I requested... I now realize that I should never ask for people to do things for me. I can't model worth jack in any case. Do you think it's easy to make a 3D model when you have cerebral palsy and poor spatial awareness?

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I am sorry if you feel I offended you I was giving you the benifit of the doubt being you might have been new and clearly stated this is a friendly reminder. I in no way said you were a theif just wasn't sure what you wanted. But when you ask for someone to email you a file after you had been told it is wrong then you have to expect people will get upset. If it had been your product how would you feel. There are strict rules governing copyrights to protect the original makers these are governed by the US copyright laws if we break them then we are no better then a theif. This community strives to protect the artist here and our polocy is zero tolerance for such actions. If you feel you have been unduly accused by me or someone else here please feel free to contact one of the Administrators or Spike who is my boss. SndCastie Renderosity Moderator

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Hauksdottir-We respect the copyrights of other people just as we demand that they respect our copyrights. It isn't flattering to be ripped off. Sometimes it is expensive, sometimes it is heart-breaking, sometimes it is a time-consuming nuisance. Hauksdottir-This is a community which, for the most part, tries to protect each other. If you regret that, then perhaps you should pick another group where theft is tolerated. Not here. Hauksdottir-Even though he edited his message to add the grumble that he didn't like us anymore, he still left his request for the file up... by which I deduce that he is probably a bit obstinate (4 of us had already said "no way") or simply doesn't care about the rights of other artists. Hauksdottir-If more people respected the artistic rights of others, instead of calling those rights stupid, we'd all have a lot more protection. SndCastle- I personally noted to him in post #2 that to ask for someone to send you a model in its original state is illegal and against our TOS. Now if that isn't plain enough then what is. We have a zero tolerance for such things here and I was trying to give him the benifit of the doubt since he might have been new and not know our policy about these sort of things.

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From these posts, it shows that Rendo obviously doesn't care about how customers feel when they're threatened and insulted, because all that's important is keeping the peace. I can understand this behavior if someone asks for a free Vicky3, or rips off an artist's work and markets it under a different name, but in no way shape or form is this a polite way of saying no.

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Oh, and I have to give praise to Wolf359 for his post. From the way I understood it, the movie clip he posted was a way of saying: "You can't have this model, so I'm going to have fun with it myself. Let me show you what I can do with it, and you'll never be able to do this."

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SndCastie Yes I did say that and I was giving you the benifit of the doubt. Hauksdottir is not a Mod here anymore. As I said above if you have a problem with me as a Mod or anyother member please feel free to contact Spike or anyother Administator here. SndCastie

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Sarte, I am a fairly newbie here as well and I will not comment on either your statments nor the replies of the Admin as I would rather not end up in the middle of it all.

I will say that so far they have been helpful to me when I have requested help and one moderator even contacted me to let me know that one of my products was being discussed in a thread.

On the other hand, I (like a number of other modelers) will often make a prop for someone by request (like the free long bow found under poser ready props made for Elfwine). When I make a model I only require that I be able to put it in the freestuff section so that everyone can access it and that I may put 'Made by request for so and so' in the info. Please feel free to contact me through my renderosity email at any time that you need a prop that you cannot find.

I am writing not only to let you know that I do some free custom props but also to show you there are some friendly faces here.

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Yeah, then said Moderator or Administrator is going to ban me, because apparently I'm a terrible, terrible person for expecting people to be understanding and should burn in hell.

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While I appreciate the offer, diviner, I don't think I should bother...

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Having read what I could in the previous thread (I hate that people can delete their messages and cause a thread to lose continuity) and in this thread I think this situation was handled better than most I've seen over my many years at Renderosity and what came before. It is always hard to read tone in a message. Perhaps it is better not to try. I have seen hostile messages here from both members and moderators. Believe me, your responses were not hostile and if members wanted to virtually "burn you at the stake", "fuck you", or "shot in the streets" they would have. Perhaps the rude way to handle it would have been an outright and immediate lock and ban. It seems to have happened before. Perhaps the rude way would have been for members to jump in with either choice or nonsensical words. That has definitely happened before (I'm guilty). Instead it appears that people responded directly, but respectfully. With as much yelling as their is about the inconsistencies and problems with this site one thing that seems to remain clear is the goal to protect someone's work. "I now realize that I should never ask for people to do things for me. I can't model worth jack in any case. Do you think it's easy to make a 3D model when you have cerebral palsy and poor spatial awareness?" Please don't over reach or over analyze. We all have challenges. Do you want pity? This has been and is a generous community. Look for available freebee substitutes or perhaps politely request that one of the very talented modeling members help you out.

What I want is the model itself, as I only have one Taruru item (and it was fabulous) which is the Scopedog Red Shoulder Turbo Custom. From what I've seen in the galleries, all of Taruru's models were fabulous.

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You can also ask in the Wings3D forum if you need a prop, as most people posting there can or is learning to model there is allways a chance someone is looking for something to model.

I want the Jin-Roh soldier by Taruru itself.

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What I want is the model itself And we have already explained to you that without express permission from the person that owns the copyright (Taruru), and with Renderosity's policy of trying to uphold copyrights (see all the threads in the copyright forum), there is no way anyone here can send it to you without violating the copyright.

I don't have the Jin-Roh soldier, but MY posted freebies and pictures are FREE and REALLY FREE!

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kawecki, the problem here is not whether or not it is "really free." It's a model that was made by an artist who is now deceased. As a result, the file can no longer be downloaded.

If the ORIGINAL read me file that was included with the model states that anyone can redistribute the file at any time, there is no problem. HOWEVER, if there IS no readme file, or if the readme says that you cannot distribute it unless you get permission from the creator, or even if the matter is NOT addressed in the readme, then the law is the law ... it would be illegal to redistribute it.

That IS copyright law, and no amount of temper tantrums can change it. The law applies evenly across the board, whether the artist is alive or dead, and whether the item is free or not.

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" The law applies evenly across the board, whether the artist is alive or dead" copyright laws vary from country to country. this is being dealt with under US law atm since this site is a US site. (advisory since descrapencies in country copyright and the berne convention are now coming to light. welcome to the can of worms thats copyright and whats coming down the pipe....)

" I want the Jin-Roh soldier by Taruru itself."

Some legal basics from Brad Templeton's essay, "A Brief Intro to Copyright":

"Under the Berne copyright convention, which almost all major nations have signed, every creative work is copyrighted the moment it is fixed in tangible form. No notice is necessary, though it helps legal cases. No registration is necessary, though it's needed later to sue. The copyright lasts until 50 years after the author dies. Facts and ideas can't be copyrighted, only expressions of creative effort." So, unless he expressed otherwise, you can't redistribute the model in any form for 50 years. That's the law.

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Agreed, it IS a can of worms ... but right now it's all we got.

in the UK thats 70 years. not sure, bt I think the US is 75 years. (if Disney don't get an extenstion).... local laws override the berne convention.

Perhaps the artist's family would be honored that their loved ones work was so appreciated. It would probably take some work but you may be able to contact them and ask permission to have the work released to you. You might try this or other Poser communities, or the internet at large to see if contact information can be obtained. Wouldn't it be great if you could be responsible for obtaining permission to release the model to all of the Poser community in perpetuity?

Thanks, maxxx ... that about sums it up. 8-)

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Well I don't want to be repetitive but as I brought up in the Copyright forum, can any of you so-called copyright experts explain to me how a model creator can have derivative and distributive control (one of the benifits of copyright) on a model that is a direct copyright violation of a trademarked property?

I've seen this sort of thing at both sci-fi and comic sites. Some 'creator' yelling about how some bozo violated his copyright by sharing his or her Superman model, while never mentioning that Superman isn't his, it's DC's. And I most especially love seeing an Enterprise model whose terms of use include 'credit the model creator in your image'. Yeah credit him but forget that whole owned by Paramount thing.

So while drawing the line in the sand about whats right and whats wrong please explain this rational to me...

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"If the ORIGINAL read me file that was included with the model states that anyone can redistribute the file at any time, there is no problem. HOWEVER, if there IS no readme file, or if the readme says that you cannot distribute it unless you get permission from the creator, or even if the matter is NOT addressed in the readme, then the law is the law ... it would be illegal to redistribute it." 1) If the readme states that can be redistributed then is OK to redistribute. 2) If the readme states that cannot be redistributed then it cannot be redistrubuted. 3) If there is not readme, how anyone can state that the will of the author was to forbide the distribution. If I don't include any readme is because there are no restrictions, how dare some "law" to say that my will is different to my real will, maybe the "law" knows more about me than myself.....

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3. If there is not readme, how anyone can state that the will of the author was to forbide the distribution. By the same token, how can one assume that the author would allow it to be distributed by someone else? The fact is, because it is not in writing, we don't know for sure. In that case, the law prevails.

The common practice tells that you put explicitly what you do not want and not what do you want.

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Very well, I'll try to contact the original author's family and see if I can get the file up for distribution...however, my Japanese language skills are next to nonexistant. Anyone here who can translate?

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If there is no readme, the law can assume nothing, law deals only with facts and not with presumptions, suppositions, preconceptions, etc. Of course that there are laws that are very far away from what a law must be, and many are very badly writen.

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This is where some but not all of Taruru's files are. How can I get into contact with the site admin?

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I'm certainly no lawyer (and I'll not try to give that impression) but if I were forced to stand and speak on Sarte's behalf, in respect to this file, I'd argue the following: (1) The file is listed as free and since there is no EULA/readme file included I'm not sure what kind of law covers distribution rights when the file is listed as free (and no other restrictions). After all, since people proclaim freebies with varying restrictions (and I assume those specific restrictions are ones based in some law) it might be that NOT restricting distribution by specific mention leaves the file open for free distribution since one might argue that the creator called it "free" and left it at that. (2) I would also argue that there is a certain amount of "intent of the law" that one might consider here. And I'd throw in the death (condolences to his family) as an additional fact. In other words, IMO, copyright laws are made to protect the creator and since the creator is no longer around, ownership goes to someone else (family, I presume). Though I have no statistics to go on, I'm assuming the average family member (1) might not be oeverly concerned about the distribution of a free item (it's not making money and never was intended to) and (2) might actually like to see his work spread around like that (now that he has passed away)...sort of his work "continuing". Now, having said this, I realize I open myself up for attack. Give it your best shot. This is a special situation for which, I might guess, the law is very tangled. As for me, there is not one soul out there who can say they ever got any warez from me or received re-distribution of a free file. The, by my estimates, over $5,000 I've spent at various sites should show my commitment to doing things the legal way and supporting the hard work of the creators.

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Here is some interesting input on the matter ...

LOL, Arty...being a lazy slob...I sure wish there were a few poignant (sp?) quotes you could have hi-lited...(lazy grin).

Does anyone know if there's a way to log on to the BBS at the website that I posted a link to?

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LOLOLOL

OK, here is the summary ...

"Still, the safest course of action (particularly if you have any doubts) is: Do not copy unless you have permission or are sure it is in the public domain! Clip art is sold to be copied -- use that, taking care to note any limitations that accompany it. (For example, I have a CD of clip art that can be used in printed works, but the license expressedly forbids digital distribution. Thus, I cannot use it to liven up my web pages!)"

From another site, the definition of Public Domain is as follows:

"(PD) The total absence of copyright protection. If something is "in the public domain" then anyone can copy it or use it in any way they wish. The author has none of the exclusive rights which apply to a copyright work.

The phrase "public domain" is often used incorrectly to refer to freeware or shareware (software which is copyrighted but is distributed without (advance) payment). Public domain means no copyright -- no exclusive rights. In fact the phrase "public domain" has no legal status at all in the UK."

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So it seems to me that unless specifically stated otherwise by the original creator (or, probably his family now, in this case), you need permission to redistribute (copy) it, as some of us have already said.

The link also provided an answer that might pertain to the "fan art" question that Moonbiter raised above ...

"Limits to Copyright

Copyright does not give an owner the right to sell or distribute a work. For example, consider one person's drawing of another's painting. Even if copyrightable (and it may not be), the drawing would infringe copyright in the original painting. Also, of course, the right to sell a work might be affected by laws governing matters such as obscenity or the rights of privacy or publicity of any person depicted."
On the other hand ... "Independent creation is permitted. A second work, identical to an earlier copyrighted work, does not infringe, if it is, in fact, independently created. [Of course, the better known the first work, the less likely that an independent creation defense will be believed.]"

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The item was a freebie. There's no way to get in touch with Taruru or his family members. The BBS seems impossible to log on to. There's no reason that this should be something to make a court case out of. It hurts no one. Upon recieving the item, I will not attempt to resdistribute, attempt to profit from, or modify the contents in any way, as that would be disrespectful to the creator of said item. I highly doubt that Taruru would've wanted to limit his freebies to the fortunate few.

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Ahhh, thanks much, Arty. Your post makes some good points (thanks for the time-saver). However, I will point to this portion: "Still, the safest course of action". That phrase alone indicates, well, to me, redistribution isn't 100% guarded against and that there are circumstances when it will be allowed (but it cautions to safety). So, my question would be, is THIS situation, as it refers to redistribution, protected or not? LOL...just where IS that law that was made to address a file made to be free, where the creator died, and where there are no additional restrictions made inside it (in the form of a readme or EULA)?

Upon recieving the item, I will not attempt to resdistribute ... as that would be disrespectful to the creator of said item. But you are expecting someone else to do exactly that for YOU, don't you see that?

Mass redistribution without consent would understandably be wrong, but I fail to see how a single copy of an unavailable item would cause legal havoc, especially if said item is free, said item is non-commercial, and said item is a fan-based work of a commercial product.

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I rarely get into these furballs, but I feel a need to comment. Take it for what you will. 1- There are still SOME freebies up at the link you posted. That site has been modified since Taruru-san's death. That implies that someone has taken the time to think about what was to be offered, and make that offering a reality. Taruru-san's site is not simply derelict, it was updated. 2- You might try locating some of the Japanese members, many speak excellent English, and are quite helpful IF you approach them in a respectful manner. Good luck.

So, my question would be, is THIS situation, as it refers to redistribution, protected or not? Being that copyright is automatically given upon creation, unless stated otherwise (for example, "I give this to public domain for free use in any way, shape or form, and for redistribution") I would say it's not cool.

There is nothing legally wrong about limited restribution of a non-commercial, non-profit digital item. As I said before, the BBS of the site is impossible to get into. There's no "new user" function for the site. Arty, who is this hurting, and how is it hurting them?

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Shogakusha...your post makes good sense. And, it should replace my comments in a way to show that I agree with you. SOMEONE has taken the time to update and maintain that site and if that particular item is no longer offered as free, then we should expect/respect the obvious inferrence that those "in charge" of the discussed item didn't want it offered any longer. I can respect that.

OK ... let me give you an example of another similar circumstance.

A while back, Preset Central (a site that no longer exists) had a female model that was developed under the GNU license. I thought it would be really cool to offer it as a Poserized freebie to the Poser community, so I contacted the original artist.

He said "Sure! That's exactly why I released it! Do what you want with it! You can even sell your modifications and additions along with the model if you want. The ONLY "rule" I have is that you allow anyone else who buys or downloads YOUR mods to do the same.

In other words, I could have provided a free figure to the community. If I added morphs and a texture, I could sell it, but then so could ANYONE else who subsequently bought it and wanted to create their own character from that model.

Now I don't think the model is available any longer (this was over 2 years ago that I was working on it). I still have it on my hard drive, and I was close to getting it grouped and textured. But now that it's no longer available I'm not quite sure what to do with it, so it sits on my hard drive.

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Here is the dialogue of the BBS. Click the bottom shadowed figure to access it. It brings up the following dialouge menu: "Please type your password." パスワードを入力してください The right option, "Log" doesn't seem to do anything. I tried typing in Sarte, but got an error message. 集計 ログ

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This model isn't one that was for sale, so your example doesn't work. Here are some things to consider: Nobody's making a profit from this. The BBS on the item page does not work, nor is there a way to get into contact with the BBS's users or administrator. The artist of said model is not around to grant me permission to use the model, which was identified as being free. The item won't be redistributed further by me.

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The original item was free ... he said I could sell my mods if I wanted (but I would have also made it available for free)

Yes, but this item isn't being redistributed further by me. I'm not selling anything based on the model, as it's non-commercial. I fail to see how that anecdote relates to what we're discussing now, unless you are attempting to intimidate me into quitting by throwing legal terms around.

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I give up. I'm outta this one. Education can only work when someone listens.

Resorting to insults is not a constructive way of continuing this argument. I've been civil throughout this argument, and you insinuate that I'm somehow ignorant and obstinant.

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Sarte, it's wrong. You are asking someone else to break the law for your benefit. Whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant.

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Who stands to benefit in a monetary sense from this item? No one. What's the harm?

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Harm is irrelevant. You are asking someone else to break the law, potentially risking federal prosecution for criminal violation of copyright under the DMCA. Copyright law does not include monetary gain as a factor for legality or illegality. In short, it doesn't matter if the item is free or paid for, the exact same rules apply

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I don't think it comes down to monetary, Sarte. I think, since the death of the creator, it's up to the new "owners" to decide about distribution. They may have their own reasons to not allowing distribution. Just my thoughts. Good luck in getting the file.

Well, the new owners have yet to provide me with a way to get in touch with them, so there's no telling what the status of said item is. You can lock this topic if you want, and add your snide comments on the last post, but it still doesn't make you right in either a legal or ethical sense. I guess you just want to have your cake and eat it too.

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Then the status is that no distribution is allowed.

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

Well, if you are referring to me, who sees your side of the conversation but also sees other possible sides to the situation... I don't lock threads (smile), 'cause I can't.

I think it's a general message to mods who might be reading this all after the fact. That is to say any one of the following: Forum Moderators: Shoshanna, SndCastie Coordinators: LadyTieryn, karen1573, nemirc, ryuslilangel Everyone else is simply trying to help, I believe.

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

No one's tried to help me get in contact with the admins of that site that I posted a link to. Nobody explained to me what to do about the login system. I don't call that help.

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Well, since, from what I can see, the system is merely an archive, I don't think that's possible. Although you might have missed it in a separate thread, I also attempted to contact them regarding the files. After four months, I stopped. There is a point of diminishing returns, and as there are excessively few regulars here capable of reading japanese, I seriously doubt you will have any greater success than I did.

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No one's tried to help me get in contact with the admins of that site that I posted a link to. Nobody explained to me what to do about the login system. I don't call that help. what methods have you tried so far? have you tried contacting artist he has worked with? have you tried e-mailing his hotmail account? Have you tried contacting the domain of the web page and asking them to pass a message to the person holding that subdomain. They are unlikely to give you their info, but they may pass your info to them.

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its not perfict. ok. step by step go to babelfish put http://infoseek.co.jp/ in and set to translate from Japanese to english when the translated page comes up in the upper right is a link called "help". click it. on this page scroll all the way down to the bottom. on the right side there is a colum labled "information" click the last link "Opinion question to information seeking" on this page on the right under "About member service" click the last link "In addition member service" this will show you a page with a form at the bottom to fill out. ask them to send your contact information and a short note to the owner of http://cyobitlab.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ or however you want to word it. once you fill it in "submit" is the button on the bottom on the left. I think you can submit it thru babelfish, but you may have to go to http://www.infoseek.co.jp/Help?pg=toiawase_members.html and fill in the info with the babel fish translation open for reference. there is not promise that this will make contact but it is worth a try. also try contacting some of the artist he has worked with. i seem to recall there are some links in the readmes to other artist sights.

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I have gone into my archive and pulled the ReadMe from the Jin Roh armour in question. I append the text in entirety here: POSER4---Original Character---<[Jin rou] Special Armor Force Protect-gear > ============================================================ The character of "Protect gear" is copyrighted 2001 by Taruru. All Rights Reserved.This may be used only in your non commercial, personal artwork. *** A method commentary to use *** 1.Thaw this zip file. 2.Put it on the fixed position with keeping the directory structure of the file group that it was thawed. Wherever it is put, it doesn't care about this Pz3 file. 3.Start Poser4, and call Pz3file. 4.Open the pose of the library, and register the pose of the initial condition as a default pose. *** Attention in use *** 1.Though a head is locked under the initial condition, this is a thing by the specifications of the mask and the air pipe. Move it on every the neck when you want to move a head. And, do an angle to move by 10 times. It is disgraceful if it doesn't go. 2.The armor (shoulder_armor_L shoulder_pad_L, shoulder_armor_R shoulder_pad_R) of the shoulder is to adjust it to the option with the dial and so on when you interfere when you do raising and lowering of the arm. *** Supplement *** This character is the thing which should be called a beta-version. It is waiting for the opinion of first of all introducing it to the public and let's ask an opinion and sensation and the advice. Moreover, it is waiting for contribution as well to say, texture was made and a neat pose collection was made. Don't bully it very much because it is the first character production... Taruru mk_taruru@hotmail.com http://www.jet.ne.jp/~m-jacky/index.html Animation movie [Jin rou] copyright 1999. mamoru oshii Bandai-visual/Production-I.G Here then is the key statement, "The character of "Protect gear" is copyrighted 2001 by Taruru. All Rights Reserved.This may be used only in your non commercial, personal artwork." I take that to mean Taruru-san intended to keep control over his artwork. Taruru-san, like many of the Japanese masters was a craftsman of great generosity. However, sadly many of them have been taken advantage of, and have removed there offerings to the detriment of all. To show how serious Taruru-san was about copyright, you will note that at the end of his readme he gives credit to Mamoru Oshii and his studio for the creation of the original concept and design of the Jin Roh armor. I am sorry Sarte that I cannot help to facilitate your obtaining the Jin Roh armor. I cannot help you to contact the holder of the copyright on this or any other of Taruru-san's artwork. He is beyond us now. I would suggest to all that his former site will not always be there. Someone is being generous and maintaining his site (probably in honor of him) so that his work might still be enjoyed. As with all good things in Poserdom, it will not last. Be thankful for what you have. Take waht is freely offered and thank those who offer it. There is nothing that says that they must. Sarte- there are many good, generous and helpful people here. Ask nicely and you will be amazed what they WILL do for you. Behave as if you are owed something from this community, and see how fast it gets cold, dark and lonely. I have been far too long winded here, and will not post to this thread again.

"*** POSER4--- Vicky Custom Clothing & New Character --- ***

The character of "X'mas Gift Set" is copyrighted 2002 by Taruru.
All Rights Reserved.This may be used only in your non commercial,
personal artwork.
============================================================
*** How to use!! ***

1. Thaw this zip file.

2. Copy 'Runtime' folder under 'X'mas Gift' to your Poser directory.

3. Start Poser4, and call character.

============================================================
*** Noting item. ***

1. [WalkerVehicle] is to make a "Use Limits" option effective surely, and use it though pose of the horse can be applied fundamentally.

============================================================

*** Copyright ***

:Pose creator.

By Mr.AKATORA ---> It appreciates you very much.

:Cr2 adviser.

By Mr.BAT ---> http://bat.server.ne.jp/

:Use tool.

[MTMirror2] By Mr.Masa ---> http://www.eurus.dti.ne.jp/~masasi/

[Pic2Rsr] By Mr.maonyan ---> http://mao.zone.ne.jp/

============================================================
21.12.2002
22.12.2002 FIX

Taruru
mk_taruru@hotmail.com
http://www.jet.ne.jp/~m-jacky/index.html"

All of his files say that. Scopedog gives credit to the creator of Armored Trooper VOTOMS, yet somebody put it up on that website. Zip a copy of the file together and please send it to the webmasters if at all possible.

Message edited on: 12/06/2004 20:45

Do the impossible, see the invisible

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER

Touch the untouchable, break the unbreakable

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER

End of story.

Stupidity also evolves!

Oh, get lost.

Do the impossible, see the invisible

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER

Touch the untouchable, break the unbreakable

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER

I'm banned from renderosity now, aren't I? I'm so stupid. I should never have brought this up! Dammit, nothing ever works out for me!

Do the impossible, see the invisible

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER

Touch the untouchable, break the unbreakable

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER

Until, and unless, one of the mods sends you a note stating such, you're still fine. In the last 5 years, we've lost more free stuff than I can count -- some of it truly incredible and better than much of what of what is offered for sale. It is never cool. I'll never be able to get some of the cottages that Ironhart made -- and becuase they were so unique and special and, well, beloved, it'll be a long while before anyone ever makes replacmeents that are as good. It sucks. But we live with it -- and when we can't, we get wings and teach ourselves how to make the stuff we need.

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

Nothing works! That was the model I wanted, one that I've seen everybody use, and wolf359 posted a movie with it! I wanted it, but I'm never going to be able to get it! DAMNIT! DAMNIT!DAAAAAAMNIT! Life just keeps fucking me over! If it isn't a death in my family, it's something else!

Do the impossible, see the invisible

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER

Touch the untouchable, break the unbreakable

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER

Why don't spend your energy making your own armour, it can take some time to learn, but it will be amazing once you know how to do it.

Stupidity also evolves!

Life just keeps f***ing me over! If it isn't a death in my family, it's something else! Sarte, I'm not trying to be a jerk here ... but these things aren't only happening to you. They are things that happen to everyone. You can't control the things that happen TO you, but you can change how you react to them. Take a step back for a moment. I say this from the heart ... breathe deep and let this pass. Try to respect the honor of the man who passed on instead of focusing on how his passing affected you. His work should be an inspiration for you to achieve higher goals instead of dashing your hopes to the ground. shogakusha, thank you very much for trying to help Sarte, it was very kind and gracious of you. It is unfortunate that your assistance seems unappreciated. Some of us here respect and uphold the honor of Taruru-san, and feel very bad about what happened here. I am sure he is very grateful that you spoke on his behalf.

Nothing works! That was the model I wanted, one that I've seen everybody use, and wolf359 posted a movie with it! I wanted it, but I'm never going to be able to get it! DAMNIT! DAMNIT!DAAAAAAMNIT! Life just keeps fucking me over! If it isn't a death in my family, it's something else! For future reference, I would like to apologize in advance for any inconvenience that my untimely death may cause anyone, should it come to pass. This thread is a disgrace and an insult. Jean

Agreed. Friends certainly have not been made in this one.

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I have just checked the Readme files of all of Taruru's free stuff items - In all of the his readme's is the following statement:

"The character [insert name of model] is copyrighted [insert date of creation] by Taruru.
All Rights Reserved. This may be used only in your non commercial, personal artwork."

Below is an email address that you can try to use to contact Taruru's family!

mk_taruru@hotmail.com

---

The Bottom line is:

• Taruru did not intend for any of his items to be used for anything besides personal use!
• As Taruru is deceased - ONLY the legal owners of his products can give permission of the use of any of his products.
• Since the item that you are requesting is no longer available, it would be reasonable to assume that the new owners of Taruru's products no longer wishes that item to be distributed.
• Several of the Poser artists have most generously offered to create the item as close to the one that you are in need of for free - which is a very thoughtful :)
• As Taruru can not speak for the current distribution of his products, and the particular item that you wish has been pulled from both the Rosity and the Mirror site, it would be unethical for any of our members to send you a copy of that product.
• Also ... when posting to the Forums, please keep the following tearms of service in mind:

"Members and users are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that is constructive and respectful of others at all times. Additionally, we would hope that each member/user would do their best to facilitate a culture of collaboration and positive reinforcement, so that we can all share our passion for art while realizing our personal ambitions, and developing friendships."

Dee-Marie
Renderosity Moderator
This matter is closed!