I am looking for any ideas for what i could have done wrong, thanks. The Hellion was modelled in Milkshape, which was then brough into 3ds Max 6. I divided the figure up (into about 4 dozen parts) and used PHI builder to link them up. (if it is so needed, i will provide the Hierarchy.) In poser 5 i then used the convert HEIR file and selected my PHI file for the hellion. As normal it tells me to name it, and it gets placed into the "New Figures" directory (it has no shrugging man, its just blank). I double click on the Hellion box and something wiered happens, the 3d area goes white. I double click again and poser closes out without even a slight hesitation. I can import the Hellion model as an OBJ no problem.