Is it just me or does anyone else find this '24 days of gifts for you from daz published artists' deal kind of lame (don't know how to express is it any else). Quite a number of these gifts are pretty much worthless without owning the orginal product and most of them I do not own. The few not to products related ones, I found kind of useless and some of them are even really cheap.

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Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

BAH, HUMBUG

No, it's not just you. Some people are griping about just that, over at DAZ. But come on - it's free. The PAs who donated those items could have sold them instead. You may not have bought them, but others would have.

I really like the lantern (from Spencer, I think). I retextured it with some P5 materials (so it wouldn't look so Christmas-y) and it looks pretty cool.

I'm not sure I understand why people complain about FREE things. So what if you can't use most of them? Would you rather nothing be offered at all?

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Yeah, I would.

It's like your company gives you a Christmas bonus check, but it's in Japanese Yen and you can only cash it at one bank in Tokyo. Sure, you can use it, but only if you buy a plane ticket to get there... a plane ticket your company sells. Of course, the people who work at the Tokyo office don't have the additional expense.

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This really takes the cake. I am not believing what I just read...shame on you! My hat's off to all the people who were kind enough to spend their time making free gifts of any kind. Thanks to all the merchants who participated not only at Daz, but all the other sites as well.

My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice!

Good grief.

Okay, let me see if I hear what you're saying, and clarify our position. You feel we are being ungrateful. That by complaining about someone giving away something for free, we're being picky. What I'm saying (I can't speak for the others) is that by giving away something for free that requires an additional expediture is not giving a gift. It's a gift to their prior customers, but not to the rest of us. If DAZ truly wanted to be generous, they'd make it something that everyone could use, and not a promotional gimmick masquerading as the Holiday Spirit. You can stand on the corner and give away free keys all day long, but if you have to buy the car in order to use them, it's not much of a gift, is it? And I'm not saying it has to be every item, but 1 or 2 items out of 14 being stand-alone is ridiculous. And that's DAZ's fault, not the merchant's, because they have the final say on what goes on the list, because I'm sure they had many, many items to choose from that people offered, just as we had here. I don't like it when companies play on someone's emotions and Holiday Spirit for the sake of their pocketbooks.

I'm sure they had many, many items to choose from that people offered, just as we had here. There aren't as many vendors at DAZ as there are here, so that is not a fair comparison. Also, I highly doubt that Renderosity had the final say in what was offered here, it is a decision made by each vendor.

Renderosity didn't have to, because they didn't limit it to 24 items. I'm sure there are more than 24 artists brokered at DAZ.

So dont get any of the "useless" freebies Go $$Buy $$$ the items that are usefull to you as you would any time of the year

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Just to clarify one thing, I don't have a problem with free gifts at all. I just have a problem with companies and such that give you free gifts that aren't really free at all. To utilize the free gift you'll have to buy something ( in this case quite a lot of items ). For me to use these so-called free items means I've got to spent some serious cash at DAZ, guess that's the whole idea behind this 24 days of gifts.

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

I'm sure there are more than 24 artists brokered at DAZ.

But not all of us had the resources to give something. For example, I'm swamped with other deadlines right now, and didn't really have anything suitable to give away. Others may be in the same boat. (And no, the deadlines aren't for things I would be selling at DAZ).

Categorizing the selection as a company that is playing on someone's emotions is very unfair. Especially in the holiday season, when people should be thankful for what they have instead of complaining about what they don't have.

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If you want gifts, be patient and wait for SAMS3D. Santa Claus is Scrooge next to them. Quality items, free-no-strings, given for the sake of giving. DAZ is, and always will be DAZ: a business. The business of business is its own survival. The sum IS greater than whole of its parts. Yeah, a blue-stater. Good holidays to all.

Well, I WON'T download any of the "useless freebies", so there. The point at issue is that what is being touted as a generous giveaway is mostly a promotional puff. In the same way, some RMP merchants use the Free Stuff section of this site essentially for free advertising. They produce a product, extract 5% of it into a separate file, sell the 95% package in the RMP and offer the remainder in the Free Stuff section as a "gift". If you think no gift should ever be looked down on, I'll persuade all your friends and family to give you nothing but discount vouchers for Xmas this year :)

As a comparison here ... Renderosity has over 1000 merchants. They gave away 82 items for Christmas, SOME of which require the purchase of a character or related clothing. DAZ has, perhaps, one tenth the number of merchants. They gave away 24 free items, SOME of which require the purchase of a character or related clothing. When you compare the two, the reason there seems to be so much more here is because there are more merchants at Renderosity to donate to the pot. So let's discuss generosity. Comparing the ratios, why didn't Renderosity offer 240 freebies? And why aren't you blaming DAZ for the Christmas freebies here that you need Stephanie, or the Morphing Fantasy Dress, or some other DAZ product for? Is that their fault too? You know, they are about to close "The Den" because the threads there "disrupted the community." If this is what Renderosity considers a community, I'll pass, thank you.

Ungrateful wasn't the word I had in mind. More like spoiled. Nobody HAD to give away anything and just because you don't happen to own the products needed doesn't mean that nobody owns them. If you don't like what is given then don't take it. It's pretty simple really. By the way, have a Merry Christmas.

My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice!

"If DAZ truly wanted to be generous, they'd make it something that everyone could use, and not a promotional gimmick masquerading as the Holiday Spirit"

Let me clarify this.. It's not Daz giving away these gifts. The gifts are from The PA's and the Daz Forum Team. Daz just host them in the forums.

And I'll repost what I posted over there. Slight editing because I am not speaking as a Moderator here.

Hey Guys and Gals,

We (including the PA's) meant this as a special token of our thanks, of the season and of the care we have for you.

The Moderators (We especially Cris) Did this for the same reasons.

This isn't about anything but the season. Nothing to buy if you don't want to. Nothing to download if you don't want to.

It's a Big Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to those who want to accept it.

We are not RDNA if we had done our give-away the same way we'd get blasted for doing it. We are not Rosity. We are the Daz Forum Team and while the idea is the same (Which by the way is as old as christmas and as old as Winter Solstice celebrations) it's not going to be the same everywhere.

In the immortal words of Santa.. Merry christmas to all..

hmmmm edited and undid it.. so edited to redo it.. :)

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Just because you have items at DAZ, don't see this as a personal attack against you. This is DAZ's image that they've managed to project, not yours. They're the ones that need to repair it. As their customers, we have a right to question their motives.

As their customers, we have a right to question their motives. OK, using the same logic, as an American I had the right to question governmental motives in the Den. But the fact is, they are closing that forum because of the "dissention" it caused. How is this dissention any less than what was in the Den?

It's not, but then I don't agree with their decision to close the den. As adults, we should be able to tell the difference between spirited debate, personal opinion, and outright attack. I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me, in fact I enjoy it a heck of a lot more, especially if they can argue their points well. Rend just doesn't want to devote the man-hours to a place where they feel they need to step in and referee all the time. Frankly, I think they should just not have a mod for the forum, and leave it up. But they didn't ask me :)

Gosh, I never saw any mention in any of the gift messages that we needed anything to make any of the items work. So now it will be necessary to go through the entire collection and analyze each item. Generosity has been perverted in the Poser community. If someone gives you a Poser item for FREE, you're supposed to accept the item without question, and be eternally grateful. It doesn't matter if they're giving away keys to a car that you can't use unless you buy the car. The stuff is FREE!!!! Now shut up and accept your gift. Get Real.

Rend just doesn't want to devote the man-hours to a place where they feel they need to step in and referee all the time. Yes, I realize that. But by the same token, this forum also needs a major amount of refereeing as well ... this thread is a prime example of one that clearly causes the same amount of "dissention" as we saw there. The difference is, in THERE, we expected it. The Poser community is no longer a community. There are too many fights, too many complaints, too many expectations. What ever happened to the spirit of just doing something because you love to do it?

Industrial sized clue: Just because someone makes something and gives it away does not require that 1) every idiot on the planet download it immediately, or 2) that it always comes w/o strings. DAZ, RDNA, R'osity, or Joe Sixpack's House of Mesh... doesn't matter who puts it together and gives it away - point is, they don't have to but did anyway, and if they want to tie a string or two on it, that's their perogative, not yours. If you can't use it, don't. Don't like the fact that you need other stuff to make a freebie work? Boo-friggin-hoo. My violin's just been sent to the shop for repairs. Go make your own stuff. Go buy what better suits you. Go hire someone to make the absolute most perfectest item for you... TurboSquid awaits your credit limits with open arms. Just do me a favor, though - quit whining like a pack of spoiled little princesses every time something happens to show up with a string or two attached. Geez... /P

I was disappointed too when the first item I saw required you to own something I don't have I figured then that most of the rest of them would be the same way as well. So what? In the great scheme of things it's hardly worth getting upset about. People can come here and air their discontent but jeez a little perspective maybe. I hate to use the old clichbut people really are starving and dying and dealing with real problems every day. The incredibly wealthy and privileged (compared to most of the world) complaining because some useless free computer fluff wasn't free enough? It's not as if no one else were giving away gifts on top of the free thing people give away the other 50 week a year. I'm sorry. I respect your right to complain but I really don't understand.

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken

LOL, Penguinisto's image and "Now shut up and accept your gift" made me laugh enough to qualify as gifts for today. :) RDNA's having their Holiday free-fest too, why not try there and see if you can find stuff that doesn't require a previous purchase. SnowS

my DeviantArt page: http://snowsultan.deviantart.com/

 

I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

Ditto Pengiunisto. One day this so called "community" is going to implode on itself. Between the whiners & internet/store(s) police..there won't anything left. Geez...between people being unappreciatitve/bitching about other sites/merchant against merchant and being very selective in this process, IMHO...causing stores to be shut down at Xmas to me is beyond the pale. And we all know what I am refering to here. There are modelers like Taschen who sell thousands of models & have been for years, why not go after him, after all he uses "real" life models with logos...go after the other hundreds of sites as well....TAKE EM ALL DOWN....grrrrrrrrrrrrr. I find this all to be very depressing & disheartening.

Hope everyone has a Merry Christmas.

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...causing stores to be shut down at Xmas to me is beyond the pale. And we all know what I am refering to here.

No, we don't. What store is being shut down? o_O

or..you can get Wings 3d (http://www.wings3d.com), Uvmapper (don't have the site, but someone should), something Like the free Dogwaffle (painting)..and make yer own..all the above programs were free last I checked (not sure about UVMapper, but Wings has uvmapping)..and you get anything you can think of for free..works for me..

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

He's referring to a modeler of real-life cars whose store was shut down due to trade-dress infringement. Couple of points on that: Any income lost now would not affect the store owner until the 5th of January, since that's when Renderosity cuts the checks. The vendor wouldn't have been in this position if he hadn't been infringing on real-world logos. Lets reverse the position... how would you feel if you modeled a totally original concept car for Poser, and one of the big car companies decided to take your concept and make it into their new model, without compensating you or asking for permission? Not too cool, eh? Same thing. Regarding the rest that is ON topic, it's not the fact that the strings require money spent that bothers some of us, although it does me because we're broke :) What bothers us is that using a "free gift" with strings attached looks an awful lot like greed from this end, which is the exact opposite of the true spirit of the holiday. In principle it looks bad. Whether it's DAZ's call or not would probably make a difference, but the prevalent perception that it's another big company using Christmas as a commercial gimmick.

another big company

Big company? I don't think there are even 30 people there!

And read my post 16 again, and compare apples to apples. The same accusations can be made of the Christmas freebies here, but you don't seem to see that.

Look, I'm not trying to bash Renderosity or any other freebie donators here, they are giving PURELY from the heart. But perceiving this as DAZ's marketing ploy is way off the mark. I happen to know this for a fact, because I saw the thread where people donated items. This was PURELY from the DAZ brokers, no different than the donations here.

You need some of DAZ's stuff for some of the Rendo freebies as well, but that is NOT DAZ's fault. It was a vendor decision here as well. And guess what? YOu need some DAZ products to use some of RDNA's freebies as well! Go figure!

You have the right to think what you want. But don't bring it in public and cause yet another lynch mob. That is beyond old.

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Ya know this thread is disgusting. As a PA at DAZ I was not able to contribute to this gift giving this year, due to problems in the "outside" life, but I would have happily done so. I am a texture artist, so all my gifts would have been for existing products that people would have to have to use. Does that make my interest in trying to give something to people any less charitable? No. People made these gifts because they wanted to do something nice, and offer what it is they were able to offer. What more can you ask of people? A texture artist now has to learn to be a modeller for their gift to be "honest"? That is sad.....what ever happened to "its the thought that counts"? It is Christmas afterall. These people took time out of their lives to make something for the community...and instead of a thank you, they get told their gifts are worthless. These kinds of reactions explain why alot of people give up trying to do anything in this community.

Okay I'm done. If I can't generate enough empathy for the other point of view so that everyone can stop taking it so personally, I must be doing something wrong. Merry Yule, Christmas, whichever holiday you celebrate. I'll go back to debate club and take notes this time.

Where are these freebies? I can't find them anywhere

Attached Link: http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=11522

They are stickied in the Commons.

Aha, thanks

"I'm giving you a gift, out of my own generous spirit. Now sure you'll need to buy something from me to make it work. Stop your complaining, you cretin. While you're at it, shine my shoes." Humbug.

Okay I'm done. If I can't generate enough empathy for the other point of view so that everyone can stop taking it so personally, I must be doing something wrong. Yes. Your attacks have been directed at DAZ, who has nothing to do with the items other than to host them. Therefore, the ranting is misdirected and inappropriate. And, because the brokers were the only ones behind this, is it any wonder they are taking it personally?

Look, some of the Daz freebies are add-on's to for sale items. Some are stand alone. It's a mix. Just like everywhere else. When someone gives you a gift, it's polite to say "Thank you". If it's something you don't like, or can't use, you still say "Thank you", because at least they tried. Just an FYI, I haven't contributed a single item to the "Days of Christmas" freebies. I've done a few other's though. You might want to check the free archieve. IN the past 3 weeks there's teh Aiko 3 base, my Imagination set for David, and today the Gorilla LE. I think those are stand alone, aren't they?

This is so horrible. I can't believe people are so ungrateful. I am truly sad if you can't take a free gift and accept it in the spirit that it is given. If you don't own Poser should someone buy that for you so you can use the gifts? If you don't have a fast enough computer to run whatever program, should DAZ buy you one? And the artists who GAVE these textures away, so what if they then see an increase in sales of their base product? Like that's so different that what they do at Victoria's Secret, or the GAP or any other store in our capitalist society? Argh. People make me crazy. Free is free. These things are free. If they are useless to you, that's your problem. Some of them are useless to me, some I am going to horde until I have the product I need, some I enjoy right now. Dang, it's not like they knew you didn't have any feet, and gave you shoes or something. Oh, people make me nuts. Go look up pictures of women in Darfur whose lips and noses have been hacked off by militant groups, and then come back and whine some more about how you want more free things that are tailored to your unique needs. Argh. Argh squared.

My point Tilandra...is said merchant has had those vehicles here for YEARS..now all the sudden...you get my drift....When there are literally hundreds of other sites and the well know Taschen models that do the same exact thing!!!! I don't see anyone hounding them....That's my point. This is just icky. :( Gonna go work on a happy picture and take my mind off this insanity.

In all fairness to the PA's who graciously donated freebies for the 24 days of Christmas, not every PA is a modeler, a lot of them make textures so obviously they are going to make a texture for an existing item, other PA's specialize in poses etc.... Those PA's that are modelers, myself included, had very little time to make a new mesh, (it takes me 2-3 months to make a clothing pack),so you can't do much in a week's time. If you look under the tree there are nice original props there and I am sure more to come :-)

Dominique Digital Cats Media

Exactly, Dominique! Not only that, but it takes just as much time to create something that requires another item as it does one that does not. To the merchant, the donation of time is the same.

@ Penguinisto: Could you please post the link to... 'Joe Sixpack's House of Mesh'... I NEED more Crismouse Freeebies... and am grateful for every one who has been kind enuff to give them to us. There's only one thing better than Free stuff.... MORE FREE STUFF...! ziggie

"You don't have to be mad to use Poser... but it helps"

As one of the PAs who put up a gift (maclean's toybox and gift package), I find this thread incomprehensible. I am NOT surprised at the lack of gratitude from some people. But I didn't sit down for 4 days and make 2 models and their textures, so people would be grateful. I did it because I thought it was a nice idea for christmas. Still, there's always someone who complains, no matter what you give them. (And, please note that my contribution doesn't require any product at all). What DOES surprise me is how DAZ got dragged into this and now gets blamed for all the evils of the modern world. DAZ had NOTHING to do with this initiative. It was suggested and developed in the PA forum, then we asked DAZ if they would host the files. OK. It's in their interest to host them, but that doesn't make them responsible for the content. Each individual PA decided what to make, not DAZ. You don't like our gifts? So, sue us! mac PS Thanks to all the other people who are appreciative of freebies.

"Could you please post the link to... 'Joe Sixpack's House of Mesh'... I NEED more Crismouse Freeebies... and am grateful for every one who has been kind enuff to give them to us. " Err, shit... I sorta made that name up. I can give you the texture for the bomb I used in the render up there, tho'...but you'll, umm, have to get the Mk82 mesh from 3d cafe and umm, remap it :) /P

LOL

"You don't have to be mad to use Poser... but it helps"

Anything for you, Zig. More free stuff:

FaerieWylde:
http://www.faeriewylde.com/forum2/index.php
(look for daily "Fairy Solstice" gifts)

RDNA:
http://www.runtimedna.com/news.ez?viewStory=708

Poser Corner:
http://www.poser.desideria-design.com/kalender/adventskalender.html

The Sara Extravaganza:
http://www.3dsaracreations.com/3dsaradownloads.htm

Some of them you have to check daily, others leave the previous days' stuff up.

Dear Editor-I am 8 years old. Some of my little friends say there is no Santa Claus. Papa says, If you see it in The Sun, it's so. Please tell me the truth, is there a Santa Claus? Virginia O'Hanlon Virginia, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the scepticism of a sceptical age. They do not believe except they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours, man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge. Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus! It would be as dreary as if there were no Virginias. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The external light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished. Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies. You might get your papa to have men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if you did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that's no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world. You tear apart the baby's rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived could tear apart. Only faith, poetry, love romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, Virginia, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding. No Santa Claus! Thank God! he lives and lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay 10 times 10,000 years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood. Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. Editorial Page, New York Sun, 1897 Editor: Francis Pharcellus Church Just posting to get rid of bookmark

Isn't that a faulty premise? How do the ppl that made the free items know that you don't have the things things to make them work? Are they supposed to aske everyone? A lot of ppl have them and they've been available for a while. After all the effort they've gone through to give them away, you want even more to make sure everyone has whatever else they need for them?. Isn't that looking a gift horse in the mouth? Sounds fairly selfish to me since they've taken the time to make improvements to them at no extra charge for ppl that can't do it themselves.

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okay, a couple of thing about the start of the thread. 1) if there is an free item that you don't want, or have a required item for, don't download it. 2) making new items for giving away is time consuming, not everyone was able to have the time to do so. ( it took 20 people six weeks to get 3D Sara Creations package together, and that was a lot of stress on us to do so. ) maybe just say thanks, and only download the items you do have a use for, instead of worrying that people were to busy to make all new stand alone items.

I usually am just like Peng and mad at people for downing freebies, but these. . . One was a wonderful set of textures for a product really confined to the Platinum Bonus club-- which is a bit obscure to most people at Daz. It fits three products, that's good-- but few people bought that item from the scuttlebut around and only one costs $24.95. I don't know what to think, on the one hand it was very gracious of the texturer to put a ton of effort into this gift, on the other hand, few people could enjoy it unless they put out another $24.95, which I thought about but I ain't got it. You add that up with at least 6 more similiar items and it doesn't look like freebies, it looks like incentives to buy more product. I'm trying not to be a Grinch about this, but I don't go over there too often to check the "freebies" either. Emily

Well, the Daz freebies were at the Daz site, not posted all over the Internet. If they were over here posting freebies I would say you have a point. But what's wrong with freebies they decide to host at their own site, which are primarily of use to their own best customers? Nobody hunted anybody down and made them go over there looking for a handout. Edited for spelling.

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GRRRRRR-R-R-R-R-R-R-RR-R!!!!!!!!

Hang 'em all, that's what I say!

Tell 'em to take their free textures, and stick 'em where the sun don't shine!

And wish 'em a "Merry...uh...."

((Why doesn't DAZ give away something really good -- like the Laura character -- for free? Answer: because those that have already purchased the model would freak.))

Something To Do At 3:00AM 

This subject again? haha!

If it isn't clear yet, its not some DAZ marketing scheme because DAZ isn't doing it. It is the Published Artists there that are offering up thier hard work without pay.

As someone above pointed out, if you want a discrepancy, relate the number of PAs at DAZ to the number here, and compare the number of freebies those PAs are giving away. Which group is being generous now?

Face if folks, it costs just to be born, everything you get after that which doesn't, is a gift. Complaining about them only means fewer of them as you go along. Xeno-"Why doesn't DAZ give away something really good -- like the Laura character -- for free?" I guess you don't like Aiko? ;)

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I'm another of the Daz PAs that put up a gift at Daz. It wasn't just something that I had lying around, I spent 20 hours making something festive that I felt Poser people could use artistically at this time of year. I had no axe to grind and I certainly didn't expect much in the way of thanks (I have quite a few freebies here at Renderosity and they have attracted 23,671 downloads, and guess how many thank-you e-mails I've had - just 12!) although a lot of people have left messages of appreciation on the Daz forum.
We don't do it for thanks, we do it to be nice. Somebody will get a little pleasure from my festive lantern (thanks for the mention randym77). Please accept our gifts, they may be of use to you some day.
Happy Holiday
Merry Xmas
Spencer

Message edited on: 12/16/2004 17:25

These gifts are not from or by DAZ. They are PURELY from the PA's, to the best of my knowledge. You know, individual people, brokered artists? Like the very same people that are part of this and many other communities, people who have busy lives and things to be doing OTHER than making freebies on short notice. I'm not going to participate in any more of these give-aways. It pisses me off beyond measure that all people can do is complain. Do you also write to people's private websites and bitch about their freebies? bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

See this is just what I thought would happen. PAs listen to you whiners - and then they get rightfully mad at getting their generosity thrown back at them like a mud pie. So those of us that appreciate it get screwed because some of you have a bad attitude and wish to share it. sigh

You just know the end of civilisation is around the corner when people are bitching about not having enough luxury goods. How truly pathetic. Hundreds of millions of people around the world can't even get clean drinking water. Merry Christmas

"See this is just what I thought would happen. PAs listen to you whiners - and then they get rightfully mad at getting their generosity thrown back at them like a mud pie. So those of us that appreciate it get screwed because some of you have a bad attitude and wish to share it. sigh"

I agree completely.

My grocery store (for example) gives away a free turkey every holiday season to their customers. But you only get it if you have a certain amount of store credits built up on your store card. It's PERFECTLY fair in my opionion, and I never hear fellow customers complain that the store isn't just GIVING them away to everyone and anyone who wants a turkey.

I think with ALL the massive amounts of freebies handed out to this community on a regular basis, it's simply sad and disgraceful that, when a company gives out free items in support of it's consumer-based merchandise, people in this community COMPLAIN about it. My jaw is still open in amazement, and it may be a while before I can close it again. THIS is the kind of attitude that brings the resentment of other communities upon Poser users. Message edited on: 12/16/2004 18:26

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I worked the last two weeks of November to get 6 freebies up at 4 different sites. Glad to see that I diddn't work for nothing. It's a simple thank you to people that can appreciate us and a thank you to the customers. Many merchants are like me texture artists not modellers so yes we make add-ons. It's hard to amke something everyone wants not only hard it's impossible. But with these kind of messages I think twice next year before I make again 6 freebies :(

This is such a sad thread. I had a lot more to say, but I'll just leave it at that. :-(

My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice!

No one is forcing you to accept the free key. If you don't already own the car and don't plan on buying the car, don't take the free key. OTOH, those of us who do own the car can always use a spare key. Especially considering these new electronic car keys cost $24.95.

"This is such a sad thread..." My thoughts exactly. For the record... Many thanks to all the Free stuff creators, whether or not they are useful to me at the moment. Your time and efforts are appreciated. Seasoned Gratings to you all.

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emily, same here, I rarely check the freebies section, on any of the sites. not because I don't appreciate the effort made to create them,( I do appreciate the effort ) but simply because I have not had the income to purchase the items the freebies are addons for, so can't make use of the freebies. bonni, silly thing is, it's only Daz and here that there is the negative comments, so I suggest: put your free items on the other sites, where people aren't as obnoxious about free items. don't take the negative people's ignorance out on those of us that do appreciate what is involved in creating something.

Ah, it's good to see some things never change. It'd been a while since the Poser Freebie Bitch and Moan Club called a meeting.

Freebie providers, please try to remember in this thread there are only two or three people complaining, and none of the ones I peeked at offer freebies on this site. That doesn't necessarily mean anything, but in all the times I have seen PFB&M Club meetings called, I have only ever experienced one exception to that rule.
On the other hand, there are several dozen people thanking and praising.
The complainers sting like hell, I know, but please try to focus on the rest of us. We love you. :)

When I was a kid, my grandmother gave me some very hideous gifts from time to time. Her taste in clothes and mine were very different, to say the least. One year she gave me an outfit that I thanked her for and smiled and held it up and all that, and then, privately, I outright refused to wear it. And you know what? I never insulted my grandmother by telling her how very much I hated the outfit. I don't understand why this very simple lesson is something that seems to escape so many here. If you don't like it, that's fine. If you haven't got the item the textures are for, or if you just don't like what's on offer, well, that's fine, too. Do you REALLY need to bitch about it? Once again, people, this was NOT orchestrated by DAZ. It was arranged rather hastily by the PAs. DAZ did NOT tell people what to make, what to offer, how to package anything, or what to support. The only involvement DAZ has is hosting the stuff. Everything else has been done by individual members of the community who also happen to be PAs at DAZ, and who felt that they'd like to give their time and energy toward the Christmas give-away. bonni

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and who felt that they'd like to give their time and energy toward the Christmas give-away

My thanks go to all of them -- both for their products, and for their generosity.

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My thanks, as well. The work put into creating these items, and the willingness to share, are both much appreciated.

yep..cheers to all the Daz PA's who took the time to make all the gifts & thanks to the Forum team who helped put it all together. Cheers Stefan

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I don't know about the rest of you but I already own many of the base DAZ figures for which the textures were created. I am ecstatic to get free, quality textures for these items. As to the textures that are for items I don't have or don't intend to buy, I don't waste DAZ3D's bandwith or my hard drive space by downloading them. I rarely do faery pictures so should I complain about the vendors here offering free fae textures? NO!!! I'm grateful to ALL the vendors at ALL the Poser-related web-sites who are kind enough to give us items which they took the time, effort, and care to produce just for us.

I am another Poser Artist who participates with Daz speaking up. I really wanted to contribute a freebie this year, but got caught up in developement hell learning some new poser related things, and just couldn't get the free time. I had thought of trying to squeeze something in within the next week, in the same generous spirit as the other Daz PAs who have already given of their time, and talent. What really saddens me, is after seeing this thread, I wonder if it would be worth the effort at all? I might make something related to something else, and just make people mad. And that of course wouldn't be my intent. To all the PAs that put in their free time during the very busy holiday season, and took time away from their personal freinds and family to go out of their way to give back a little to the poser community, I salute you, and am PROUD to be in your company.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

Well maybe if as a lesson for Scrooge like behavior they were visted by the Ghost of Christmas Present to be shown how others accept gifts graciously and the Ghost of Freebies Future which could preview what could happen if ppl got so disillusioned that they stop making freebies and giving them away. wink I don't know it worked for Charles Dickens, it might work here. grin As for the artists involved in making them as Tiny Tim would say "God bless them all every one!"

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Good to see the holiday spirit is alive and well around these parts. :]

I am another one of the PAs that participated in the DAZ Xmas give away. No, DAZ didn't ask us to do it, it was our very own idea. Yes, it was rather rushed and -- at least for me -- making a 3D model takes longer than my actual amount of available free time. So I decided to make a nice texture and a small, simple prop that would go along with the holidays. It still took me two days and I was up until very late to finish it and to make sure it looked right because it was the first Christmas present from me to everyone.

I thought people would be happy.

Comments like this hurt.

It's forgotten.

I also want to thank people like FyreSpiryt and the rest of you out there that are grateful, even if they don't use what I or the other PAs made.

Merry Christmas to all.

I don't think it's right to wine like a bad ripple over a freebee. Talk about bitting the hand that feed you. Someone takes the time to create something and you throw it right back in their face? Shame on you. I've been working on an Aiko project from the day she came out. Small thread here about it. I have the clothing pack almost finished for the character. It fits unmorphed Aiko and the new Character. Now I'll have to re-think on this. Not everyone will have Aiko3. Maybe it's wrong to give it away so those that don't have Aiko, don't feel cheated. Oh wait, she is a Daz freebee. That can't be right, Daz is only doing this to make you spend more money. (Shakes Head) I wonder why there are less and less free stuff. (rolls eyes.)

As I said over at DAZ the other day "Poser users are some of the most fickle, whinney and demanding people that I've seen online."

Sometimes I hate being right.

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A Blessed Holiday Season to all, and a smile & warm thank you for those that have the decency to thank all of us PA's that contributed "gifts" to the community. I am a texture artist, the only thing I can offer are those items for other products, so to some here I apologize if you think that these "gifts" are a marketing scheme. I personally do not own the model I created my "gift" for and if anyone buys that item due to liking my "gift" enough, I certainly will not benefit from it...but then, it is a "gift" with all that entails to a "gift" and I spent much time and effort on the "gift", but I do aplogize to all that cannot use it and I am sorry I could not give you something you could use, I shall try harder next time.

I shall try harder next time. I won't. ;-) bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

Oh, geesh. I just hate the attitude that Freebie Providers are so generous, while those of us with questions or reservations are ungrateful whining malcontents. It is such a warped perspective. You have to consider the recipient of the gift has valid wants, needs, concerns and feelings too. Don't get offended or hurt at some feedback, just listen and then thank us for taking the time to mention it. I'm willing to be lots of other folks felt the same at us, but just don't bother to say anything.

It would make more sense to offer some of the freebies as bonuses to people who bought your product, rather than a "blanket freebie" that some people can't use. (I probably had most of the required products, but am frankly losing my own struggle to maintain a Christmas spirit, due to my own personal concerns. I don't need this battle.) As for the Grandma who bought the dreadful clothes: have you ever considered that she might appreciate a better insight into your taste in clothing? You could have taken her aside, given her a warm hug and kiss, so that she felt loved, then share your feelings. You might have actually had some great clothes to wear!

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This is a very sad thread.... Maybe we should stop making freebies - so nobody will be angry.... Merry Christmas to all of you.

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I say bravo and thank you to all the brokers and merchants everywhere who have given and continue to give free stuff - whether stand-alone or add-on. I appreciate everything I have and I know how long it takes to make high-quality freebies. In fact, I probably give more away that I sell. Some of it is stand-alone, some add-ons. But it's all things that took time, energy and creativity to do. Look, if you can use the freebies that others are sharing then do so. If not, simply don't download them. Nobody's forcing your hand either way.

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I personally love all the freebies that have been offered here, at DAZ, at RDNA and other sites this Xmas season - whether I can use them or not. I love them not for the value to myself, but the care that was put into them to create them. All those that have donated the stuff did it out of the goodness of their hearts :) and hugs to everyone who took that time isnt that what Xmas is all about? Giving? Sure, they may not all work for what I have in my inventory, but I know someone out there will be able to :)

It is as it has been said: You can please all the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but never all the people all of the time.

I say be thankful for what you have, since some dont even have a house, let alone a computer. Merry Xmas and thank you to the artists who make such wonderful things :) Never stop doing it either no matter who says what :)

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The more complaints about freebies...the less freebies that will become available. Why should anyone work on an item only for others to be ungrateful about the item? If you don't like an item...don't download it nor go around putting it down. Put the shoe on the other foot...what if it was something you created and gave as a gift that was being bad mouthed? How would you feel? Would it make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside when folks say you're stuff is cheap and just a marketing ploy because of where you offered it through? I'll make sure my next freebie lives up to your expectations of being cheap...well it is only a freebie ya know. :P

Oh, geesh. I just hate the attitude that Freebie Providers are so generous, while those of us with questions or reservations are ungrateful whining malcontents. It is such a warped perspective. You have to consider the recipient of the gift has valid wants, needs, concerns and feelings too. Don't get offended or hurt at some feedback, just listen and then thank us for taking the time to mention it. I'm willing to be lots of other folks felt the same at us, but just don't bother to say anything. Well, thank you! How generous of you to share your wonderful insights with us. You make me three times as convinced that I'm never going to participate in anything like this again. bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

As one of the PAs who put up a gift (maclean's toybox and gift package), I find this thread incomprehensible. I am NOT surprised at the lack of gratitude from some people. But I didn't sit down for 4 days and make 2 models and their textures, so people would be grateful. I did it because I thought it was a nice idea for christmas. Still, there's always someone who complains, no matter what you give them. (And, please note that my contribution doesn't require any product at all). What DOES surprise me is how DAZ got dragged into this and now gets blamed for all the evils of the modern world. DAZ had NOTHING to do with this initiative. It was suggested and developed in the PA forum, then we asked DAZ if they would host the files. OK. It's in their interest to host them, but that doesn't make them responsible for the content. Each individual PA decided what to make, not DAZ. You don't like our gifts? So, sue us! mac PS Thanks to all the other people who are appreciative of freebies. ----------------------------------------------------------- I for one greatly appreciate the freebies Mac, thank you for all your hard work. Now, my dow pesos on the subject: I was unable to use but one of these freebies (the toy box coiincidentally), mainly because I didn't have the items needed for them. However, I looked at it this way: A) They were a free gift, so I downloaded them anyway. You never know when you may end up being able to use the item afterall later on down the road. and B) With as many expensive hobbies as I have (Old West Gunfighter team, NASCAR Short Track Racing, Model Railroading, Slot cars, collecting old west antiques, collecting railroad art), my hobby budget is VERY limited this time of year. So the fact that someone like the folks at DAZ were kind enough to give these items away, really brightened my day when I discovered them earlier this week. Sure, most of them weren't of any use to me now, but these people didn't have to do this, they did it out of kindness and generosity. I nsincerely doubt that anyone here or at Daz is making a living (outside of Daz the company) creating these products, so the "they are doing it as a promotional tool" isn't a fair accusation. Personally, I'd love to see what you folks that complain about this giveaway have created in the form of models or textures. The reason I say that, is because if you had ANY idea (I do, I tried and failed miserably with 3D Studiomax)how hard it is to make these items and how much time and work goes into them, that you'd have a lot bigger appreciation for them. I know I do. I stumbled across this site a few years ago by accident while looking for railroad art and found a 3d image of a Steam Locomotive coaling tower and roundhouse with 4 or 5 steamers in various stages of readiness for service at dawn and it blew my socks off. I was hooked. However, when I decided to give 3D rendering a try, if it wasn't for the generosity (see, there's that word again) of my girlfriends sister giving me her copy of Poser4 when she quit doing renders, and all of the advice and assistance given to me by the members of this site, I would still be pulling large clumps of hair out and drinking like a fish. Remember that this is only a hobby. It's all for fun. For me Poser is a way to relax and get away from the stress of work. So being that these items didn't put you out anything, and this is just a hobby anyway, then "What the problem is??" Tom

Why does someone have to have such an emotional attachment to something they've done? If I'm going to put a lot of effort into making a gift for someone, I darned well want to know it's something they'll want or appreciate. And if I don't take the time to do some research, I will accept the possibility they won't like the gift. If they're friends or family, hopefully they'll have enough tact to let me down graciously. But the key is that I wouldn't go ahead and make something if I weren't sure they'd want or like it. And if they accepted the gift, I wouldn't feel they owed me anything more than a thank-you. No strings attached.

I accept that people may or may not like any/all free gifts offered to them. What I don't have to accept is the level of whining, bitching, and general complaining people have done. Frankly, I don't need this level of animosity and negativity. Therefore, I'm not going to subject myself to it again. Simple as that. Not emtional, just a simple decision based on feedback and input from the community. bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

...I just hate the attitude that Freebie Providers are so generous,... Actually we are. These items we're freely giving to the community in the holiday spirit could have very easily ended up as items in a store. ;) I doubt I'll be doing very many freebies anymore because of this type of crud. Isn't a bit ironic that other places like RDNA, FaerieWylde & here aren't raked over the coals when freebies are given as happens when it happens to be on the DAZ site? Oh wait...because it's DAZ (or on their site) it's ok.

Isn't a bit ironic that other places like RDNA, FaerieWylde & here aren't raked over the coals when freebies are given as happens when it happens to be on the DAZ site? Oh wait...because it's DAZ (or on their site) it's ok.

wes, I promise you the first one who complains about the Faerie Solstice at FaerieWylde will get a good beating with my pointy stick that he/she/it won't forget for a very long time.

This is truly a sad thread but I am glad to see that there are still people who appreciate the effort some took to create freebies, wether they are useful to everyone or not. All the others should be ashamed about their attitude.

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Heh, some folks seem to be under the impression that every freebie is necessarily made specifically for THEM. Eh, I'm 100% sure that I'll be making the kinds of freebies that I feel like sharing and selling the products that I feel like selling. If someone doesn't care for that - well, that's just too darn bad, isn't it?

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One day later and many thoughts later. As I read all this I see als many thank you notes we should make freebies for those that really appreciate them. Like someone said before why punish them that really wants them. Funny thing is these messages are always started by people who don't have a clue about making things how much time it cost to make something of good quality. I wouls say take the challenge and give us next year a freebie every one likes and every one can use if you can't manage them I'm ready to start complain :)

Accepted that the giveaway on the Daz site is not a Daz promotion but spontaneous. That wasn't clear to me from the outset of the thread, and I haven't perused the Daz thread in any detail. Part of my post above was therefore not justified. The point remains, however, that SOME gifts are not gifts but promotions, particularly at this site, and I find it shallow that whenever anyone questions what is going on with anything labelled "free" they immediately get an avalanche of abuse. Does it matter when you can just not download things you don't want? Maybe not, but to me it leaves a bad taste when people exploit areas of this site for advertising purposes that are not intended to be places for product puffs.

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Dolfijntjes, how can you put down this remark: "Funny thing is these messages are always started by people who don't have a clue about making things how much time it cost to make something of good quality." if you don't really know me at all????

Having been involved in the 3D gaming industry for many years, modeling & creating gfx for a number of succesfull games, I must contradict your statement. I know a lot about making things and do know how much time it takes to create quality.... I even know how to give things away for free, having not only worked on commercial games, but also been involved in creating freeware games. (Just to show that I'm not bragging, follow the link given, scroll down until you see the game Commander Josh, this is my last personal projects, before switching to comic creation)

Obviously you've missed the point of the initial post. It's not about creating freebies that's great, but it's about these very misleading freebies, that are just plain old advertisements....

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
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No I don't know you but looked at your skills here in 3D art that's what the freebies are about. And aren't your freeware games advertisement for your commercial skills? So you do exactly the same of what your now complaining of. Last thing I say here because it's now worth my energy. Glad that beside you all the others also don't agree with you makes it worth to go on.

And I was asked why I didn't contribute 8O THIS is the reason why. Just for the record - making things for games is NOTHING compared to making things for Poser 4, Poser Pro Pack, Poser 5 and Daz Studio - all of which your product must be compatible with or threads start up and your stuff gets slammed by people who have no clue as the the sheer amount of work we modellers put into making things compatible with programs that have more faults than you can count on 2 hands. It takes me anywhere from 2 hours to 2 weeks to model an outfit, yet INVARIABLY it takes me 5 times (without exaggeration) longer to rig for those above mentioned programs and get it working well enough to sell. Unless you actually do this, you cannot begin to fathom the amount of hassles involved in doing something as simple as making one clothing item work in 3 versions of one program (and the 5th version is a piece of crap) and a program that things just simply do not work in. I just love the christmas spirit around here ;D

Gawd... So if someone will be offering you something (anything) for Victoria 3 you're going to complain because you need to purchase Victoria 3 ? That's plain ridiculous. PAs worked on something they liked to and decided to share for free. Daz is not involved in this (it hosts us) - WE, as individuals, chose to do it, chose to spend time too, on it, to make some people (NOT everyone, because that would have been impossible) happy.

Mods, can you just lock and delete this thread? It is non productive, and it is showing the worst of the poser community.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

sprach Punkti: "I promise you the first one who complains about the Faerie Solstice at FaerieWylde will get a good beating with my pointy stick that he/she/it won't forget for a very long time." Umm, is it too perverted to say that, for some odd reason, reading that sentence just totally turned me on? /P

Mods, can you just lock and delete this thread? It is non productive, and it is showing the worst of the poser community.

That was asked long ago in the Community forum, Gareee. I guess the feeling by administrators here is threads like this are perfectly OK because they are related to art.

And then I was called a whiner.

Renderosity, be very proud of your "community." Between this thread, and another that was written by a member who threw a tantrum when he couldn't get a model created by a deceased member, I have truly had my fill of what this "community" is all about. Merry Christmas everyone. May you all get the freebies you demand.

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Look, no-one is "demanding" freebies. There is total over-reaction to this thread. Lighten up.

Corinne wrote: "Gawd... So if someone will be offering you something (anything) for Victoria 3 you're going to complain because you need to purchase Victoria 3 ? That's plain ridiculous." This is so completely not comparable. The people who offer freebies for V3 make no money if you buy V3 or not. If I offer a free item for V3 it IS a gift which just happens only to be of value to those who have V3. It's nothing to me whether you buy V3 or not. On the other hand, if I offer "FREE GIFT - MAT files for Phantast's Conforming Wotsit available in the RMP NOW!", do you not see that my motives may not be entirely altruistic? Please guys - use a bit of perspective instead of flying off the handle on autopilot.

The original question posed by aeilkema was 'Is it just me???
The answer is no, there are 6 others of like mind in this thread - Tilandra, garblesnix, Bobbie Boucher, querie, phantast and XENOPHONZ . There are however many more people who take a different view and know how to politely accept or decline a gift.
It is interesting to note that not one of the complainers has ever posted anything free on the Renderosity freebie pages (and one of them is a broker)
I like freebies, the same as anybody else. I visited the Renderosity Xmas Freebie page and there were lots and lots of goodies - but there was nothing of interest to me personally despite the wide variety on offer. I did not however complain to anybody about that, it just would not have occurred to me.

Spencer - enough of the ad hominem attacks. Anyone who knows me knows that I have made a large number of freebies available in the past (and also freely redistributable). They just happen not to be at THIS site. And it doesn't matter to me whether you like them or not because I'm not selling anything. They are not add-ons for my own commercial products. You are also missing the point like the others.

The first week of December, my young daughter asked me if we could start getting ready for Christmas.

I told her that I wanted to make a couple gifts for people first, to give them some happiness. Of course, she is young and wanted to get ready for our own Christmas, but said okay.

I want to teach her the importance of Community service, giving, and being a volunteer.

She suggested ideas of what to make, and also helped me the whole way through a full week of modeling, UVMapping, correcting, texturing, by adding her comments and suggestions to the production of the gifts. (Or just watching the process in some cases - lol). It became a fun project for her to help mom and the gifts are from both of us. She could hardly wait to watch for the gifts to be offered.

Never could I imagine this reaction and it really makes me sad, and my daughter just doesn't understand why people are so mad about getting gifts.

Like others have said, this was not a DAZ idea, not orchestrated by anyone other that a few people, and not a motive to sell things.

It was simple. The idea was put forth by one person and several of us said, Yes, that would be fun to give gifts. Let's see what we can get together. There was a jumble to get ready as is usual with the holiday season.
People who texture, textured products they had, and people that model created a little something. Just like here and other places. This year I only had time to make things for 2 of the 4 places I love to go. I hope to make 4 things next year.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all that are enjoying our small tokens of the season.

Oh, geesh. First let's get some things straight.

1.) Wine is a beverage you drink. You can wHine about something. See the difference in spelling.

2.) Brokers are people who handle artists. An artist is not necessarily a broker, unless that artist is also a broker.

3.) If someone gives me the keys to a Mercedes, it would be nice if that meant they were giving me the Mercedes. If they were not giving me the Mercedes, I wouldn't need to be giving away cars myself to complain that I couldn't use the keys.

4.) You don't know what I give or try to give to the community. I just spent over 16 hours working on my last gift, only to have it shoved cruelly down my throat. It hurt more than you can imagine, because this kind of reaction has been going on for as long as I've been working with Poser.

5.) Oh, and I'm struggling to find some Christmas spirit as I'll spend my first Christmas alone since I got married 5 years ago. And it makes no sense that my (ex) wife is just down the street, feeling just as bad as I am.

It's nice of you artists to offer free stuff, but you have to remember not everyone will like what you offer. The real joy in giving is in the making and/or giving of the gift. The receiver of the gift doesn't owe you anything. You should always remember the recipient of the gift and their feelings are just as important as yours.

Now if you'll pardon me, I have some more important things to occupy my mind.

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Anyone complaining that someone else took the trouble to create then give away something you might have to buy something else to use should be ashamed of themselves. What's next? I don't like that item, make me another one? If you don't want what's offered, don't take it. There is no obligation to accept a gift. Personally, I'm grateful to anyone who takes the time to offer a freebie, whether it be at Christmas or any other time of year on any of the Poser sites. Thank you to all freebie makers & I hope you all have a wonderful Christmas. Thread locked. Shoshanna