After reading the thread http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=2050338 I rushed off to see what was still available in Ockham freestuff. i downloaded the various python files and loaded them into p5 now when i start p5 up i get a cant be opened for reading PEPythonEngine::DoScript P5 still opens but what have i done wrong?