Hey Everyone, I am back with lots of more updates, Sorry I'v been away for so long I'v been dealing with x-mas and family issues. But i am back once again, I'v been still working on kaimira project. I wanted to show you some new features and all more customisations then ever before. What is most constricting about make up? Have to buy more charatcher textures right? Not any more now. You can add and create you're own make up packs can use and mix in match with different skin textures from all packs and user created packs. See the image here, it shows you four layers that you can use as transmaps for eyeliner, and different cominations of eyeshadows with their own material zones for the eye area, lips and blush!. List of Areas can be customised and created in packs: Lips: Lip Liner, lipstick shade 1 "can used to for special lipstick effects that can fade into lipstick 2", lipstick 2. Blush: there is currently one layer can that be used for blush for both the cheek area and the chin. Eye Area: Eye liner, eyeshadow 1 and 2 "can be used for lids or other effects", eyeshadow 3 and 4 "can be used for more eyeshadow effects". These can layers to create different makeup effects. So many effects and cominations ranges in million different desired effects. Easy setup and removal for each makeup items, and it moves and morphs with kaimira for that seamless effect. I will be putting these layers together and adding materail zones and I will update more. XOXOXOX Seraphira I will update some more later on tonight.

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welcome back,can't wait to see more images of her. that makeup idea is pure genius! The3dZone

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Awesome Sera! That makeup functionality is so unique and the possibilities are enourmous! Looking forward to seeing more. :)

thanks guys! :) here's some more, Here as you can see some areas are peaking out which I will fix. I will show u more on her body in a few mins. I wanted to show u the basics, I totally updated her body and hands. I am just doing some detailing of her legs, caifs, and then doing her feet. Then it will be the task of Uvmapping her and making her work in poser 4. Once these items are done. I will be working on textures, texture packs, morph packs. 100's of morphs. Of course people will have the basics like emotions and etc, so they aren't suck buying the other morph packs, just to provide an option that is there. If i could include the morphs in one pack i will. :) ahh so much needs to be done and so little time. here's another treat.

I sooo can't wait to do some serious ear piercing on this girl :) Double snugs, industrials, rooks, you name it, she's got the cartilage for it :D Can't you tell how excited I am? ;)

hey everyone, Here's a few images to get every caught up to date. Please note that this is artistic nudity and it's not intending for sexual nature. This is purely the study of the human body. First i would like to show her hands and finger nails, it took me a good week to get her hands just so, I found the hands most of all where the most time consuming and hard to model. Specially for me because i have no depth preception, funny i still seem to manage with other peoples help and ideas and what area's i may need to fix. She still needs more tweaking yet. I want her to be just right. I rather work on her to the best of my ablity rather then a quick model that is shitty.

xena, there will be more for u to do with kaimira, not just her ears, you can make labrets and when you want to show the labret's backing you can by using pull lip down and curl morphs to show the inside of her mouth, teeth, and gums. There's no more floating gums and teeth, everything is accurate as possible. Now with her nails are specially designed, trans maps that will show under neath the nail that will show the quick and nail bedding. This will ad more realism and more options to remove the nails completely by transmaps or morphs. The nails still needed to be adjusted on the sides and the thumb nail bed needs to be rounded.

The body: the body has been changed a bit, I fixed her hip, rib cage, her bum, and breasts. There's still some areas that still need to be fixed on the breast, shoulder, and collar bone, and the back of the neck and lower back.

Now question for all of you? Would you like to see an extra option for transmaps layer for under the armpits, legs, and full area of the gentials to have hair transmaps? I love to hear ur imput. I will be putting in gental transmaps for sure. :)

Here's a view of her gentails, which still is in the beta phase right now, as i am still working on it. You can start to see the detailing of the body. Thank you for looking I hope to start to work on her feet on monday. Sera -- Seraphira Studios

Yeah Sera, I'd been thinking about doing a proper labret (with backing) for her :) Plus some nifty lip webs :D I'm just really impressed with her ears rolls eyes It's unusual to see such good detailing.

Definately want underarm transmaps! Not every female on the planet shaves under there ;)

i think this sounds like somthing perfect for a "catsuit". well, more like a skinsuit. like the daz ones that are basically a subset of the figure's mesh. i think a real catsuit would still be a great piece of clothing (one with wrinkles, seams, spandex covered breasts, etc.) but it would be great if the figure could ship with some sort of 2nd skin that wouldn't have any other morphs or material zones. as simple as possible, just something to make it easier to make 2nd skin clothing and hair. my main request, either with the skinsuit or catsuit, would be a head cover that works as a full mask (eyes covered, ears, nose covered, mouth covered, etc.)

She's looking really good so far, I especially like the shape of her fingernails, they look a lot more like they should, the natural curve. Also i like the shape of her hip bone. The make up layering is a great idea (i am used to that in a sort of way, as the sims in sims 2 have a similar thing of layering on the face). I am looking forward to seeing more of this new character. She looks most promising indeed. I can't imagine the amount of work that must go into that. -S-

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Wow! that body is great,but the back view of the shoulders look a bit odd,I'm not sure what it is,maybe the roundness of them,but they look fine in the front view. but I am still highly impressed by this figure and I cant wait to see her completed :0) The3dZone

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hi codalt, I thought about doing a full catsuit like that, but it will be more realistic catsuit. :) plus all the morphs. I plan to work on Kai more today, I'll still be doing some work on her make-up layers to get them just right. :) I wanted to thank u guys for helping me and giveing me more insight. Sera

Thanks for the update, Sera. It's really interesting to "watch"!

she is very beautifull so far. i love her hands and those fingernails. and a realistic catsuit would be absolutely lovely. just to ask, as this came up in the daz forums, if she has a stretch legs or arms morph, would it be possible to include this morph in the outfit? someone requested this, and someone else replied that it wasn't possible in clothing (which didn't make sense to me, but i don't make clothes, so i don't know how they're different from 3d people). this figure is going to be incredible. her texturing possibilities are going to be downright progressive. and i've got to second chuck- this is both exciting and educational to watch.

i love her hands!! wonderful proportioning, and something that has always bugged me about the Mil characters [size & shape of hands and feet] also very much like the make-up idea... i asked Daz about the possibility of doing layering or something for the body on future models in regards to being about to apply tattoos at will via transmapping instead of having to muck with a texture within a graphics editor each time, but i never heard back from them [then again, i never really expected to...heh] sooo looking forward to seeing more of your progress on her :))

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Wow, Seraphira this looks great. Just out of curiousity, what 3d program are you using to create your model? How much time have you put into developing(modeling)Kaimira? I plan on eventually developing my own characters, and I am intrigued by your creation. Keep up the good work. -The Starkdog

Looks fantastic. Would love to see her with her arms down. Hopefully she won't have the "macaroni shoulders" (armpits almost up to the shoulders) and "rag-doll arms" (like putty at the elbows) that have plagued V3 and M3.

excellent.. very inventive ideas.. I love all the attention to the little details

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hi everyone! Giana, What a wonderful idea! What i will do is add a second layer to her body but her hands and feet and up to the neck, and i can put in materail zones in those sections so people can add different tattoos or whatever to those sections. It will be sort of like a second skin/catsuit. But I will be creating a realistic catsuit for her. Starkdog: I use 3d studio max 5.1 with brazil r/s 1.2. I'v been working on her now for 7 months. Modeling for a few months now. She's far from over though I hope to have her completely modeled by the end of next week. Then it will be the big task of uvmapping, and uvmapping with layers is very hard. Stark the planning process is the first step, 2 creating new ideas that others haven't done before. Like Kamira's layers. Think of the customer and how they want to customise you're model. Mathman: I totally agree with u. Unforantly i won't really know if she will have noodle arms :O I hope she doesn't have any. But i am glad u did say something though about it. it helps me to make kaimira better. So many idea's people have requested and useful information has been such a great help. Cobalt: using morphs to make the limbs longer all though i haven't tested that theory I am willing to try. I did model her arms and legs a bit longer then the orginal V3's stubby old legs. She does stand alot taller then V3 and M3 for that matter heh. My models are a bit bigger then daz models. but not overly though. Monday Night I will be posting more goodies for everyone. I thought of a few things when i was creating Kaimira. 1. To make her the most customizable 3D Figure in the 3D world. "a girl can Dream" ;) Wink. 2. try to be more realistic and add more options. 3. Doing the things I wish other models didn't have or options. :) I hope u like it so far, and i wanted to thank everyone who followed from the start. I always value everyone's input and guidenace. :D Cheers my dears... Sera

Sera, thanks for all of your hard work :) She looks amazing so far :) Can't wait ...... some questions : (1) do you plan to have some male morphs for her ? (2) will her UVMaps be compatible with the DAZ characters ? regards, Andrew

Mathman, I doubt she will be compatible with DAZ maps. This has been discussed in previous threads. Sera, she's looking great. I just can't believe how quickly this model has moved along. I think all the layering will make her more compatible with P5. All this progress makes me wish that figures like Neftis' Elle and Anton's Maximus would receive more attention. What is the file size and have you loaded her in Poser yet?

That is wicked though to pull down the lip to see a labret backing and as Xena says all the different sorts...could you imagine a nice scrumper in there! I'm impressed by the hands and the more natural look to the nails with the curves, they look manicured and shaped as opposed to just jutting out straight and looking sort of warped. Also keen on the pronounced ear detailing, especially the tragus area. WOW!

Hi Math, There's a few reasons why I won't use V3 or Daz Mapping is because well umm unfortantly not advanced enough, second copyright infridgement, three there's more areas and sections that needed to be mapped. With the new layering system v3's and other maps won't be able support it. Not to mention a new key feature will be introduced a complete and acturate vein system for Kaimira. About the male morphs no male ones but there will be a flat chest morph, but a person could make a male with the 100's of morphs being planed. The plans are the works for a male Model version comming this year. Papa: Hey honey it's great to see u! how are u? Papa ur right about the daz maps. :) I'v been hauling buns, I would have been done sooner, but u know me i am a professionist. I never baught elle and maximus. I have seen elle before, the thing i think people crave is to personalise their models from the basics to the most extreme. The Model size and etc in poser is still not known. She never even seen poser yet but That won't be for a while though, after when she's modeled it's the daunting task of creating material zones and uvmapping for Kai.but the 3D max scene file is 9.13 megs. There's several factors, now we're dealing with a new set of issues ever before then what V3 or other models had before. We have to deal with sizing of different areas, how it will effect the maps "example: V3's face and body Maps", inside of the mouth matching the outside. to reduce seam lines and scretching as much as possible. Raputina: there also will be more options for the nails like different nail types and tips. like rounded, claw like, pointed, oval, square, natural, bitten, long, curve nail, deform nail bed. these are just the few options u can do alone with the nails. I wanted her lips and mouth area to have more to them more options pulling and tugging and other movements of the mouth. Anything that can be done with the mouth will be put in. U will be able to edit more options for the ears, if users want to create plugs you can edit and resise those areas to catter to those needs. Customisation is the most important thing about kaimira.if u have an idea or thought u want to see for customization let me know. :D Sera Watch monday as i update with more goodies! :D

Hi Sera, I'm doing ok. Neftis' Elle is from polymage. She seems to be designed as a standalone character rather than something that can be stretched further (she has no body morphs). Anton's Maximus character was never released because he had wanted to make it compatible with features in DAZ|Studio. The figure creation was discussed in the following threads: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12413&Form.ShowMessage=1616522 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12413&Form.ShowMessage=1638858 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12413&Form.ShowMessage=1687433 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12413&Form.ShowMessage=1701404 I get much more excited about these 3rd party figures that I ever do about anything coming out of DAZ anymore. I think some people are getting tired of the unimesh shoulders and derivative figures. Quite honestly, I think Kaimira is going to blow Vicki right out of the water. Keep up the excellent work :)

hi Papa, that's what i wanted to do is blow vicki right out of the water, with a-bomb ;) :D I am working on quite a few projects, I am doing the planning for my future male figure to match Kaimira. Kai needs a boyfriend u know. hehe. projects: 1.I'v been working on the sims 2 website, 3dsims.com my sim site. 2. Kaimira project. 3. Dorian Project. 4. Kaimira Clothing Packs 1-through-4, eyeliner packs, eyeshadow packs, blush packs, lipstick and lip liner packs, hair sets. Getting the planning process done. Dorian is still on paper, but will start in the new year. Speaking of shoulders, Kai's still need to be added more detail and making sure no noodle arms.

Really great but I think maybe the upper shoulders are too wide. Women's shoulders look rounded/sloped down a little because of the muscle structure there, it's tricky but it would make so much difference to how feminine and young the figure can look. Also that's the kind of thing it's tough to change with a morph.

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hi handspan, Thanks for ur help and input. U know i ever even realised it until I looked at a few renders. :O I think i fixed the problem. Please nitpick So i can get her just right ;) Psst not too much lmao. Here's a quick view. Sera

here's another view honey, I also fixed the sides under her arms and armpit. :) I love when u guys give me input. :)

Fantastic work, seraphira! Looking forward to the progress on this one! Jay

She's really looking great. I like the facial features on this figure :)

Hey - this is great work. Couple of things....would be good to know how many vertices in the model. Is it a similar density to V3? If so - you could probably put a heap more detail (lumps and bumps) into her - particularly in her rib and upper chest (traps) areas. Also, her breast - they look very similar to V3's. I've never seen breasts that shape (mainly where the lower breast meets the ribcage). Excellent work - keep going.

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you are coming along very well. can't wait to see more.

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Wonderful work, seraphira! Do you have a planned date for release? Can't wait.

Nice work here. Definitely worth "bookmarking" this thread.

Very nice modelling. I'm definitely interested.

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hey everyone, i'v been doing some major over hauling on Kaimira's body fixing some main issues that people have noticed. About the release date: I thought about Mid Apirl, not set in stone though. There's still lots to do and there's clothing to be made, textures, makeup packs, Morphs, hair. I wanted to get her basics all ready so people can start to play with her right there and then. Hey face off: About her verts it's about 53,663 verts, that's not set in stone neither. There's still alot to do on her I did change her breasts thanks for the input :D With her ribs and other areas, I will be adding those using soft selection once the mesh is smoothed. Then I will do the deep detail. Here's some views of the fixes

hey I am back with more goodies. Ok i did some more work on her genticals. which is now completed. :) I tried to make it realistic as possible. there will be tons of morphs for the gentails for u all to play with. As u can see as well I did some more changes to her rib cage, and shoulders.

I also did some major changes to her legs to make them less fat looking more slimmer. There will be different morphs to change her weight. :D

There differnt fittness options for her for morphs. I hope u guys gonna have so much fun with her u'll won't stop playing with her for months! ;) here's another view.

She looks awesome :) Can you post another close-up of the face?

sure papa. :D I am still working on her face layers, Which i work on tommrow. :D Sera

Amazing work!

Sweetie this is so ROCKEN COOL, as you already know!!!! I cant wait to get my hands on her, as you already know LOL!!! OUTSTANDING job hun!! Really outstanding!! XXXOOO Tamela

I've been following these developments with great interest, and you are doing a fabulous job with the modeling. However, I have a slight suggestion (I hope you take this in the positive light that it is intended, especially since you've already done some work on the body). Your project Kaimira seems to have very similar proportions to the Vickies. That may be done intentionally, so they can share eachother's closets. ;-) However, as far as "real world" proportions go, Victoria's head is way too small for her body. Being that you are indeed trying to make the model as realistic as possible, I offer this as a comparison to a "real world" female. I took a side view photo from 3d.sk, and sized it the same height as your side view. As you can see, the head is quite a bit larger, and the rest of the body proportions may need adjustment as well. A larger head will probably mean larger hands ... I think the length of the hand is roughly equal to the distance between the chin and the hairline. Again, this isn't meant to dis your work, because you are doing a great job!

Awesome Job so far..Shorten the neck a bit.One thing i hate about Vickie is her giraffe neck.Soften the shoulders a little make them a little plumper and a little rounder. Very nice Job cant wait to buy her... Hehe :)

Poor Sera (smile). Some many (personal) preferences and so little time. For example, I like long necks. But on to Arty's interesting photo (and comments). NOW, bear in mind I'm no way a figure artist. But, I wonder if one shouldn't review a LOT of full-length shots before deciding on proportions. I mean, women/females come in all sorts of proportions and sizes (even though they may all be slender). It might be useful to fetch a few images (if possible) of female models (since I suspect that type of look is a good percentage of what Kai is targeted to mimic...morphs notwithstanding) and make additional proportion comparisons.

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"...and make additional proportion comparisons."

No need for that. Others have already done it and ArtyMotion is perfectly right.

AVERAGE size for a women is betwen six to seven heads lenghts. (See link)
Eight head lenghts size is for fashion models (or comic book Superheroes).
So Vickys proportions out of the box are maybe not downright impossible, but definitly way beyond average.
(To be honest, once you notice it, she looks pretty ridicoulus) :-)

So I usually adjust my characters heads to 104-110 percent (In addition to other changes) to make them look more like human beeings.

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Well, if I can post a quote from the link you provided: "In reality, most people are about 7 1/2 head lengths, or even 6 1/2 head lengths. But this just doesn't look "right" when drawn on paper. So, it is acceptable (and strongly encouraged) to heighten the figure a bit. 8 head lengths is the recommended standard for figure drawings (or even 8 1/2 heads, if the person is very tall and "heroic")." So, your paraphrasing is "skewed" a bit from the info you posted (unless I missed it or was supposed to delve further into the site you provided). I think a key piece of information is that figures drawn on paper at the correct number of heads just doesn't look right and, therefore, the author recommends using 8 heads instead. BTW, I did a search on that page for "fashion" and didn't get a hit, so not sure where you based your comment, "Eight head lenghts size is for fashion models" from. Again...perhaps I was supposed to scour the whole website.

A good compromise solution, since it affects the head and neck somewhat, is to provide a morph dial that will increase head size and shorten neck without resorting to rescaling, which makes things look funky at the joints.

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Holy shit! LOL! I think i started something here hehehe ;) Please note to everyone. Thank you for you're comments and views on realistic females. In this last while Kaimira is always changing. Now With the 8 heads thing, Kaimira is actually 9 Heads tail, which I will need to shorten that a bit. After this modification there will be no more. :) LOL i'll never be able to finisher lol. But I dearly thank you all for helping me so, you all gave me awesome and priceless points on "real humans", this is the part of the learning process as i am creating Kaimira. Now here's few changes that I did make. I made her hands and head a bit bigger, it does look alot better. Also I shortened her neck a bit. Next List of changes: I will change her hight to 8 heads and then I will do the rest of the detailing in low res mesh I had to delete the layers because of all the resizing and changing of Kaimira. Once she's done I will re put in the layer system. I want to finish her by the end of the week, and it's comming shortly and i still have to finish her feet and toes yet. Here's some previews. I hope you like the changes that where made.

The 7-1/2 heads is spot on, from the looks of it ... Kaimira is about 8-2/3 heads.

I just looked at her legs I think I know what's wrong. why she's 9 heads rather then 8 heads... after these set of pictures i'll change it. :)

YES, Seraphira, that is much better! I like it SOOOOO much more now! (PS ... the previous post with the picture was crossposted with you ... but I thought I'd keep it in for future reference so people could see proportions.)

here's a nother one. :) Me go change her height. :D

it's ok arty, I am glad you're helping me! :D By the way i wasn't angery at all or upset or anything. I am just so glad ur interested in Kaimira. This is a great learning experance for me honey. It's ok about the cross post. :) I am changing her height a bit her legs are a bit long that's why she was 8 2/3 heads tall. :)

Oh that is SOOOOOO much better now. She is really coming along beautifully!

The poser figures so far have all been the classical greek ideal proportions (8 heads high) for someone to be eight head heights high they would be between 7 and eight feet tall. You could still make the figure 7 and a half head heights tall and make it the same height as the other figures so that props and vehicles etc can still work with the figure.

Ok this girl is fast as lighting! :D LOLOLOL :D I shortened her legs which makes a BIGGG difference. Arty you can take this image and count how many heads high she is if u like. :) Here's she is. I think it looks a bit better now.

ok I did some more I changed her knee position bit lower it seemed to look funny in the other views. Here's a peek. Ok guys I am going to the store for some pop, munchies, so I can sit infront of the computer and model my brains out lmao! :)

Yes, she looks much better ... I'd leave it at that, because it's a good compromise between the original head size and "realistic" head size. She is now "heroic" height. 8-) As someone pointed out already, the article said that illustrators use 8 to 8-1/2 head heights. Kaimira is right in that range now.

Sera, she looks awesome! Thanks for keeping us updated :)

Yes, you don`t actually have to make the figure 7 and a half heads high that is just being a bit too pedantic.

The distance between her nipples and her chin is too long. Comin along tho...Yer doin a great Job Sera

The Heads thingy is more for comic characters i think...Average Humans are actually 6 1/2 to 7 heads tall

The average height for humans is seven and a half heads tall. But shorter people and taller people have different proportions.

thanks papa. :) Just wait until she's finished. I will post some more updates soon. :) Sera

I think you have a few serious regulars, Sera. wink

lol!, I am glad I have a few serious regulars. Chuck do you remember the first posting of Kaimira? it was just a small post and a face that looked like a mask. Now things have changed so much. :) I plan to finish modeling her Tonight! :D. XOXOXO Sera

Oh, yes, I remember (embarassed grin). I glanced at it, remembered you were the one making those detailed outfits, and I thought (to myself), "So, what's with the Mardi Gras mask?" and clicked on out. Wasn't till later I actually "got a clue"

"me Pat's Chucks back lightly" lol sweety don't worrie, I think everyone thought it was a mask. :) but it sure was a surprise afterwards to everyone. I saw a post about antons maximus, I gather I am not the first one to think about possable toes lol. :) Dang :P I am sitting here right now working on her feet, god i hate to do feet! sorry I'm bitching lol. I am terrible at feet and advoid doing them at all costs lol. i rather have my teeth pulled. LOL! But I still take my time and great care on them, because people want awesome model not a half baked and badly put together. I had a few people rush me high about the ranks so to speak but I can't rush it. I am in love with this project, it's really became my baby you know. :) Here's some lame attempt at feet first pass. Still needs alot done but the basic shape is there. I am doing the toes seprately and then i'll attach them. it's easier to model them that way, besides a girl has to see what's she doing right? LOL Sera

hi once again, Here's a big toe for u guys LMAO! Starting of toes that is. :) next to the foot is a basic box. Yes that's how i start with the toes and kaimira her self is the basic box. I working with the big toe first, they will be a little different because I will be making them possable. :) Sera

Who is the Gorgious woman in the Photograph?

Catsuit: I wonder if it would be more feasible to do this with morphs and textures on the basic figure? Catsuits are supposed to fit tightly, even with some visible skin compression where the catsuit ends. As for folds, etc, morphs along the variety of Traveler's old "no ears" "no navel" "smooth chest" come to mind. I'm tired of seeing stockings that "float" above the skin. :D And judging from the movement and folds for your Sleeveless Top, I'm certain that you're more than capable of it. Rounded shoulders: Please include a morph to restore these to squarer proportions if desired -- one of the most attractive things a woman can have is proud shoulders! Or maybe it's just me.... :) Height: Women tend to be shorter in the abdominal region than men, such that you could probably improve the heads ratio by shortening her torso a bit. The model in the photograph may even be a wee bit longer in the torso than typical. All in all, I like what I'm seeing. There is obviously already an incredible amount of work and detail put into this. bookmark

She's looking great. I see you are getting all the little piggies back from the market :)

LOLOLOLOL! papa ur so FUNNY! :D whew i needed that laugh lol. :) Here's another little piggy that just came home. This is the low res version that i actually work on with out mesh smooth modifier. :)

chas, well first a few things i would like you to know. Kamira will have the catsuit type modeled right into her mesh which is primarly used for transmap areas such as leg hair, or other body hair, tattoos and intergrating vein system for kaimira. There will be a realistic catsuit comming out for kaimira. 2. As i said before there will be countless morphs. about 2 to 3 times more then V3. So you can change just about anything about Kaimira if you want to. :) here's the high res mesh of this second piggy came home ;) LOL! Sera

Amazing!

Which piggy had roast beef? and none? LOL

Kaimira is coming along great! I know some people were speculating that you might be discouraged from continuing with her now that V3 is available for free. I am glad to see that are not. This is a beautiful character and am interested in seeing it come to completion. Jay

Yes please rescue us from the evil clutches of the hennious Vickie..yER DOIN GREAT!!

Kaimira certainly appears to have REAL shoulders... It's certainly going to be fun playing with her :)

hi everyone, My Saying is never say DIE! LOL although that V3/M3 is still being released for free, the novelity will wear off sooner or later. I am still pushing forward on Kaimira. All that needs to be done is the detailing of her toes and feet as well as her ankels. Then her main modeling process will be completeled. All I will need to do is incorpate the layering system. :) Here's her view of her toes so far, I still need to put in her nails and some more detailing. :) but it's comming along nicely. They are a bit straighter because of possing issues. :) Sera

V3 should me considered obsolete once i incorpate all the goodies, I am not revealing them all. I hear some cases of other steeling ideas and stuff. creepy :O I try to be orginal as much as possible giving people what they want and what they need, I am pushing poser to the most extreme! There was some tought to also make her compadible with daz Studio, but i am still not sure just yet. But she will be for poser Pro 4/5 though. There will be removal and injection poses for her to keep her file size down since there's so many morphs.

If there's features u wanna see? better tell me now before i finish her modeling process. :D

Sera

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She's looking great...are you giving her foot an arch or are you making morphs for that? I know for me, posing V3's feet for heels is a real pain. Keep up the great work ;)

hi everyone, some great news, Kaimira's modeling process is almost completed! YAhhooo!. All that needs to be done now is put the halfs together to make kaimira a full model rather then a half of a one lmao. After that I will be installing her MTL System. Papa I will be putting in arch foot morphs. :) Here's a preview of her toes with no nails. These are the nail bends that is under neath the nail. :)

Here's the view with her beautiful toe nails. The toe nails will have the same morphs as the finger nails. :) It's been about 3 months now modeling Kaimira, what a trip I am so glad it's nearly over, now we can start on the real fun stuff. After she's finished with the modeling, we're going to need Material zones which will be alot of work. Sera

She needs a pedicure (smile). So, how long has it been for Kai so far?

She's looking great :)

it's been 3 months modeling Time and 4 months preperation time before kai was modeled. It takes a while, to creat a good figure. Here's a view really good pictures of kai. Something to give you a taste of kaimira.

I did her nails a bit longer because it gives me more of a mesh to work with on creating morphs for the nails. :)

Here's another view of Kai. Fully modeled! She takes light so well! I am so proud of myself hehe. :) U wouldn't never have know this was my first human figure that i ever modeled.

One last picture. :D This week I will be starting on her Cr2 and joints. now this should be fun! :D Sera

She has the nicest butt Sera! I can't wait to make some clothing for this girl :D

She looks AWESOME! The lighting on her really does make her come alive :)

referring back to the number of head issue - can i request scaling morphs? especially for head, neck, torso and hand dimensions? in terms of the v3/m3 angle... first of all, the base mesh is free. not the whole thing. the head and body morphs are still a non-trivally priced add-on. second, most everybody has these items. that's why they did this. the people that don't are a small enough group that they're worth giving the base to so that more people will buy the accessories. just like the customers who bought the bases are worth giving vouchers to so that they can buy stuff they probably wouldn't have (my bet is most go over in trying to use all of the vouchers). personally, i had just spent $20 i wouldn't have to use the $10 voucher with the $5 pc one. and so that customers remain (relatively) happy. but that's daz. it's interesting - people are now debating over why other models haven't surplanted vicky. and they keep harping on looks. saying that dina didn't make it cause she was ugly, and somehow ignoring elle's lack of popularity (not my cup of tea, but definitely not ugly). solondra III/carla looks great, and so does ej. i think they're wrong. it think it's the versatility issue. even girl hasn't come close to taking her on. no one ever showed dina looking like anything other than her initial look. a lot of people really didn't like that look, but i think it was more important that she didn't get photoreal characters made for her like silent smile (http://market.renderosity.com/softgood.ez?ViewSoftgood=32566). or the ones by vali, or by dalinese or by morris. anime doll seems to have been one of the most long term succesful "independent" characters, and i'd say that's because anime is so inherently stylized that a different kind of versatility is needed. and that versatility is shown in the previews (mainly different eye styles, some ear morphs, etc.) i'd say that a3 actually has less anime versatility than her. i think kaimiria really stands a chance of seriously competing with v3 for several reasons. 1) Kaimiria is being built with the artist in mind. Her versatility in several areas will exceed V3's. 2) Seraphira's currently sold clothes are absolutely excellent and were released to popular appeal. The wardrobe support will be there without question. 3) She'll have different hair styles that will appeal to various people (see previous thread). 4) Seraphira's responsiveness to requests and visibly professional and frequent customer support show that the character won't languish like so many others (mill yt, freak, she freak, etc.). Thrown in some photoreal textures by different artists, and I think that would cinch it. And the big thing will be for us early adopters to come up with prominently labled renders that show not only how beautiful she is, but how versatile. And (possibly?) how you don't need Blackhearted to make a petite character for her or Dodger to make a muscular, towering amazon. Or Arduino to step in to make her anatomically correct (even if that type of render isn't welcome here). i really personally want to be able to do different ethnicities well, too. like masai, north west african, thai, mexican, mayan, etc. her nose and lipps actually seem like much better starting places than the unimesh features - one of the main reasons i've been interested in her from the start. when i showed my boyfriend her face in that first thread, he said, "wow, tell me when that's done." mind you, he's absolutely hated every other character so far (i've shown him everybody and multiple v3 characters).

Hi sweethearts, WOW cobalt, Sweety you're making me blush ^_^. Sweety you're totally right. I think it's very important to make her versatile as possible. People love to create their own custom look and not be restricted by out of the box look and restrictions. To be quite honest, with out you people kaimira wouldn't exist, you gave me ideas and inspriation when i needed it the most. Even when things looked so bleak i almost gave up. you all never gave up on me, and that made me push forward, despite my trails. Cobalt, to you're answers about scaling, there will be features to change hand, feet, neck, and head sizes. :) With Kai she is anatomically correct and she also has an anus. :) She has everything as a real human does and more. Users can get techsupport on www.seraphira.com/forum/ for product help. :) Tell you're boyfriend, she's getting closer to a release. :) I hope he's tickled pink. ;) Cheers my dears, watch product showcase forum for the UVmapping and material zones! :D

I have to agree with cobalt. I might "tweak" the argument a bit but, the argument is well enough in agreement with me that it doesn't matter. So, I'm cheering for Kai as well. (besides, wink, even the model's name is better!!)

We have not been poser users for a long time. I never liked the predictability of the Daz' figures (we did buy characters that were as far off from the standard as possible, prefereably with artist's own morphs). But, up to now, there was no other choice really. By coincidence I found your name (we like the clothes you created) associated with a new character. Luckily I saw your uploaded work, and it looks like this will be it. A few remarks, if permitted, and not meant as critique, far from that: 1/ The shoulder joint looks better. It is an incredible difficult morphing zone -all muscles except for where the clavicle joints the sternum- but what will it do with arm raised, arm backwards (scapulae) etc etc? Here you can win an important battle. 2/ Being a painter, I love the anatomical proportions prof. Richer taught. It would be great if there were some way to get real body-proportions instead of simply enlarging the head, but not the length of the legs etc etc. 3/ Eyes cannot be realistic unless there is a lens fixed to the eyeball and an upper eyelid that deforms where the lens bulges. I don't know whether this would be possible... 4/ Another battle you can win is the mouth. 5/ Thinking about the future and more versatility towards other progs: did you consider creating a version with a better joints' system than Poser's (ClaudeBonet maps, softbody,...)? Future versons of Poser will certainly move in that direction also. These are not questions for you to answer. Just some thoughts that enter my mind. If this character keeps on evolving like it is now, count us in.

I have tried prudent planning long enough. From now I'll be mad. (Rumi)

Me again. Looking closely at the mesh, I have the impression that the calves are too high. There is an alternating rhythm in a body, and more in women than in men. If you permit, I can download your image and draw on it to explain what I mean.

I have tried prudent planning long enough. From now I'll be mad. (Rumi)

And another one: very important would be the ability to widen the pelvis.

I have tried prudent planning long enough. From now I'll be mad. (Rumi)

I was thinking the same thing... that the thickest part of the calf muscle was too high. While I'm commenting, does anyone else think her back is bowed in too much between shoulderblade and behind? She almost looks sway-backed, to me at least.

sorry, I only have a mouse now to draw with, and I am not used to that. Anyways: this is what I mean with the alternating rhythm:

I have tried prudent planning long enough. From now I'll be mad. (Rumi)

Hi there, Aeneas: Unfortantly no model is perfect, but I tried my best as i could with kaimira. I modeled her after my drawings and some photo resources. Kaimira is my artistic impresion of a female, although some things are off on the model, which can be corrected easily with morphs. I did some modifications such as the head and legs as it would have effect posing issues. There will tons of morphs to change every little part of kaimira, including pelvis and with tons of fine tuneing morphs for those little area's that u might dislike. As i said in previous posts after this stage of modeling process joing to the two halfs together it would be difficult to make changes. :) I am glad for you're thoughts Aeneas and Tilandra, I am pretty open to comments or concerns. But I do see what you mean with the rhythm. :) Take care my dears, if you have anymore questions or comments please let me know I'm always here to help. :D Cheers Seraphira

I wanna make some clothes for her whatsn the chance of getting her torso?

hi georgous, Unfortantly not for a while, I am having a little troubles with MLS system on kaimira, which will need to be fixed first before i can move further. :) XOXOX Sera

Sera, she's looking great. Keep up the good work ;)

One of my favorite threads this one is (done in my best Druscilla voice).

lol chuck! :D I am glad this is one of ur favorite threads. I did fix MLS system and starting to work on the material zones Now, after that it will be UVmapping and then cr2, bones, joint prameters. :D

What is a MLS system?

I think it has something to do with selling houses.

MLS is Mesh Layering System. :) short form lol. i think there is a a place called mls.ca that does sell houses lol. :D

Attached Link: http://www.multiplelistingservice.com/

Hehe, I was joking around.

lol, i know honey. wow there's two sites that have mls lolol :D. Some good news, I am cutting kaimira into sections for poser.

Cutting her into sections so you can make her joints move?

yeah, each model has different body parts right, and you need to cut them into those sections. Say like right and left eye and so forth. She will have a lot more sections to make her pose her breasts, toes, and one of the biggist problems is the foot arch will be emlimited with extra bones in the correct spot. :D here's a view.

I see... It looks like it could be tedius undertaking. Good luck and keep up the great work :)

Keep at it - she looks great!

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hi guys and girls. :D It's been a few days, but she's all cut into the body parts that she needs. Now I am off to do the UVmapping. I was confused on what to do first uvmapping or starting to work on her cr2. So i thought it would be best if i work on her UVmap and I will be able to fine tune the material zones and MLS options on kai. I will post a new thread sometime tommrow to show the uvmap progress. :D Cheers my dears. Sera

I'm beginning to think the whole Kai process will take about 9 months (smile).

lol I hope not hehe. She's Due out in the middle of March. :D I will hauling ass on her from now on since some of my family problems are resloved. :D

Well, on the 10th, you said it had been 7 months (3 modeling and 4 planning). Add 2 more for the MIddle of March and Kai has the normal 9 month gestation period (wink).

LOL @ ChuckEvans

eeek ur right chuck. Here i was dismissing the planning period alltogether. (wink) :D

I've never seen anyone model so fast and yet so well as you, not to mention how you take others' advice so seriously and work to implement them into your model. If there will ever be a figure that can please everyone, this could be it. ;) If the time comes when you need seam guides, please let me know. :) I definitely would like to make them in order to help boost support for a figure with so much customization. Keep up the good work! SnowS

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I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

Has there been any update to this? The thread moved and everyone stopped talking about the progress.

Sera has been sick...There are some later threads after this though...

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