Ok, read the manual, played with the program. Now from what I understand, rendering with Firefly gets icky with .bum bump maps and if you choose "no shaders" with the Poser 4 render option, you need to go back into the material room to reload them. Question is, do bump maps need to be converted for Poser 5 like it needed to convert it to .bum for Poser 4? If so where at? One more question, of course I needed to convert bumps to .bums when I used Poser 4. If the pose loads in just the jpg/tiff/etc form of the bump will it ignore the .bum in P5 or do I need to remove the .bum that I needed before so it doesn't booger up Poser? I'm really tired right now and hope you can understand what I'm asking lol. I've been playing around alot with P5 and getting to know nodes and materials and having such a fun time playing around in there..you can just get lost for hours just playing in the material room lol. Lady Stormy