agiel opened this issue on Jan 31, 2005 ยท 123 posts
agiel posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 11:59 AM
Attached Link: http://www.e-onsoftware.com/Press/PR.php?date=January%2031,%202005
The announcement has just been made on e-on website. Here is a summary of the new features : A selection of features available in Vue 5 Infinite include: * EcoSystem technology to populate scenes with millions of animated plants, rocks or objects; * Single objects and complete scenes can be exported to major 3D applications, including 3DS Max, Cinema 4D, LightWave, Maya, Softimage XSI and others; * Camera and light synchronization with 3DS Max, Cinema 4D, LightWave, Maya and Softimage XSI for perfectly matching renders; * G-Buffer and Multi-Pass rendering with fully anti-aliased masks for advanced compositing; * Multi-layer PSD, RLA and RPF file format support for use with e.g. Discreet Combustion or Adobe After Effects; * Global Illumination and Radiosity, * High Dynamic Range Image (HDRI) and Image Based Lighting (IBL), * Baking of indirect lighting, advanced illumination controls, * SmartGraph advanced function and material editor with Full shader customization, advanced time-dependent effects and non photo-realistic rendering; * Ultra fast OpenGL-based pre-rendering engine for quick and easy previewing; * Hybrid network rendering of single pictures or animations using RenderCow technology on Windows and MacOS X, including leveraging Apple RendezVous technology to easily transform a rack of Apple MacOS X Servers into a render farm; * AccuShadows advanced shadow mapping technologies; * Ultra-fast Hybrid 2.5D motion-blur rendering engine; * Procedural Terrains with sub-pixel detail whatever the viewing distance, * Plant editing technology with full export capabilities and animation support for simulating the effects of wind through trees; * Python-based application and scene scripting with full access to hundreds of internal functions and structures for customization and creation of new rendering effects; * 3D Text, Metablobs, pre-animated meshes, integrated post-processing, camera switching and numerous other productivity and feature enhancements. Follow the link to the full announcement :)
agiel posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 12:00 PM
Attached Link: http://www.e-onsoftware.com/Products/vue5infinite/
And here is the link to the Vue Infinite page on the website.
dlk30341 posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 12:16 PM
Holy Moly!!!!!! WOOT!!!!!! I can't wait....this looks absolutely awesome :). Must calm myself...another month & 1/2 to wait LOL.
iloco posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 12:39 PM
I am curious if the pre ordered wil ship first or will be held up like vue 5 was for some who had preordered. :) Lot great features listed with Infinite. I hope we don't have the problems with it that were with Vue 5 is my only concern. Also will it upgrade our Vue Pro or can we still use Vue Pro and have Vue Infinite as a stand alone application.
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maxxxmodelz posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 12:44 PM
This looks VERY impressive. Especially the G-Buffer output and compositing capabilities! That's something you just don't get to great extent in any app under $1000. Sounds great! :-)
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maxxxmodelz posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 12:49 PM
"Camera and light synchronization with 3DS Max, Cinema 4D, LightWave, Maya and Softimage XSI for perfectly matching renders" WOW. I just noticed this one. This alone could really increase it's usefulness as a "production" application. This is a feature that previously only WorldBuilder had been able to do. I'm definitely getting VueI. Glad I waited.
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agiel posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 12:49 PM
The details about Vue 5 were announced last year very close to the shipping date - maybe that is why pre-orders were delayed. I don't really know why it happened - could have been just production issues... it happens (look at ATI and Nvidia :) ). At least, this time, they will have more time to match supply with demand.
mamba-negra posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 12:57 PM
LOL, I just got shipment confirmation of Vue 5 pro this morning..... Actually, the ecosystem piece looks like the major thing that would be of use to me....anyone know if it will be made a module for us non-infinites? eric
agiel posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 1:00 PM
No word on what will be the next modules yet, although ecosystem materials would make a logical target for a future module.
PAGZone posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 1:12 PM
In case you missed it, there is a link to do comparisons down near the bottom. Vue has a ton of new features that even Vue5 or Vue5PS can't match. I think the best feature for me is going to be the EcoSystem as this looks like it will make it a snap to create a fully populated scene, instead of adding an object at a time. Awesome! Also: "Export high dynamic range images (including skydomes)" This will be awesome for using as HDRI images in apps like Carrara 3+. These two features alone might make me side-grade. Wow. Very Impressive Stuff. Regards, PaulG
iloco posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 1:13 PM
I have preordered so maybe I can be one the few who are in line first with shipping. Looking forward to getting this version of Vue. Still want to know if we can use Vue Pro along side of Vue Infinite when it arrives. :)
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PAGZone posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 1:14 PM
iloco: Are you using Mac or PC? On the Mac I know you can have Vue 4 and Vue 5 installed at the same time. Likely this is the same for Pro and Infinite... Regards, PaulG
iloco posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 1:24 PM
I am using pc. I hope that will be how it is. I have no problems with Vue Pro and want to be able to go back to it if run into problems with new Infinite. :)
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Tiny posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 3:16 PM
Great news! It sounds very promising. Can't wait to try the Eco system.
BigGreenFurryThing posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 3:21 PM
It's impressive. It's desirable. Features are amazing. No question. No argument. But... What's that strange feeling in my pocket? Ah, it's my wallet being sucked dry. Again. UK Vue 5 Esprit users sidegrading pay an extra 30 per cent before VAT (tax) than US customers. 10% I can understand, 15% I could stomach but 30%? Anybody from E-On around to explain this?
Cheers,
Mark
MartinPh posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 3:40 PM
Exactly ONE interesting feature as far as I'm concerned - the Ecosystem, obviously. Undoubtedly nice, but certainly not worth my 399 EUROS PLUS VAT for a v5e upgrade. (Actually, if I buy the two missing modules I will have v5pro and qualify for the 199 euro upgrade, which works out cheaper overall, ... or??) Isn't it interesting how e-on is able to calculate exchange rates between euros and pounds (274 pounds is about 403 euros, over 540 dollars that is), but not between dollars and euros? "Upgrade from $149,-" in your dreams. BigGreen, e-on is responsive to customers, but not on this issue. After posting it on their forum I was told they understood my frustration, but pricing policies should not be expected to change anytime soon. They did promise though that they won't change it either if dollar values rise above the euro again - which may happen under a next US administration, but certainly not under Bush... So be patient.
BigGreenFurryThing posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 4:02 PM
MartinPh. Thanks for the response. I too have contacted E-On on this in the past with no reply so I've given up. I jst needed to vent a little. Trouble is I'm hooked on Vue and have been since early v2 so I'll probably per order tomorrow. Ho hum.
Cheers,
Mark
Dale B posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 5:09 PM
That's got my order made ! =NOW= do you see how hard those of us lucky enough to snag a copy of the feature set were biting our tongues? Owwwiee~~!!
jwhitham posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 5:31 PM
"Camera and light synchronization with 3DS Max, Cinema 4D, LightWave, Maya and Softimage XSI for perfectly matching renders"
Maxxxmodels: not a new feature, already in Vue 4 Pro see: HERE
Looking at the full feature list available HERE sold it to me as an animator!
NEW! Illumination baking.
NEW! Separate maps can be assigned to the background, the IBL and the global reflection map channels.
NEW! Time dependant noises (including basic 'Open Ocean' water node).
NEW! Rotoscoping (Use animations as texture maps).
NEW! Animated 2D import: Sequence of pictures, MOV (Macintosh only), AVI (Windows only).
NEW! Exclude ground from Alpha map option.
NEW! Create billboards that always face the camera (with a 'force vertical' option).
And, for those hacked off with having to buy Mover separately:
NEW! Animated Poser 4 & 5 scene import.
One qustion that does strike me though, whatever happened to the pre-animated meshes announced with Vue 5 Esprit? Edited to add missing x and n. Message edited on: 01/31/2005 17:35
PAGZone posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 5:39 PM
Pre-animated meshes as a feature? It is listed further down the page as relates to Vue 5. It seems that Vue5i has everything vue5 has and more... PaulG
Dale B posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 5:40 PM
Has anyone bothered to download the QT files of the ecosystem cityscape and the animated water waves? Bloody. F*cking. WOW.... I can not -wait- to see what kind of demo Phoul is working on; that cityscape was incredible. I do have one question though. Poser folks, take a good look at it. Do not some of those modules look an awful lot like some of the Dystopia blocks? If they can actually use =those= as ecosystem modules, and on a machine with 512megs of ram... Wow... (even if they just look like them, that cityscape is incredible).
dlk30341 posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 5:47 PM
This looks fantastic to me. What I look forward to, is be able to populate a moutain with trees...That landscape looks just awesome...WOOOOOTTTT.....and those waves....I'm not into animating..but those waves...gonna have to learn that :) I just can't stop looking at that list & those pics...ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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agiel posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 5:54 PM
"Mix an unlimited number of objects, plants, rocks and scatter them (randomly or controlled) throughout your scenes!" The ecosystem description says it - you can use any object, tree or rock and mix them in any way you want using the graph editor.
war2 posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 5:59 PM
glad its finaly announced, and unless something majorly happens before march im buying v5I myself, and im real glad to see that we havent lost any features since the last time the feature list was posted :) anyway, v5I looks like an awesome step up from e.on and im realy, realy looking forward putting my hands on v5I and implement it with our production line.
Phoul posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 6:11 PM
Dale B. Thank you again for your nice words... ;-) The shot is called "Ecocity". At first it was "Dystopiafinite". ;-) You are right. I used the great free Dystopia blocks for Poser. Thanks to Mobius87 indeed!
Dale B posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 6:32 PM
Oh my. That ecosystem opens up the field for some ideas I've wanted to commit to render, but simply would have involved far too much postwork to make practical. And you're welcome, Phoul...although I should thank you, as well. It was your demo's with Vue4Poser4 that got me off of playing with stills and working to learn to animate and use cinematography tricks to create living shots. Still learning, but one day intend to have something decent enough to show (now to get back to learning After Effects... Particle Illusion can wait until I can composite things...)
nanotyrannus posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 7:09 PM
I'm totally speechless, that ecosystem tool looks incredible, I'm just wondering how memory managemant is going to work with billions of polygons. Just looks incredible though!!
dlk30341 posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 7:55 PM
Billions is quite scary...since at times we've had trouble handling low-to mid millions.
At least I have time to upgrade a few things. Was planning on new VC/AMD 64 & heavier Power Supply and more fans LOL. Not upgrading mem at this point......
Sigh..I've been upgrading EVERY year now for the past 3 years at the 1st March..this will be no exception. Maybe after this upgrade I can let my puter rest for 3-5 years. Looks like I'll be adding Ram Rocket to my program purchase list as well.
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creed2003 posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 10:23 PM
Just beautiful, I just got my copy of Vue 4 Pro and they release a new updated version of Vue 5!!! Just my friggen luck!!! Will I be able to upgrade to Vue 5 Infinite or will I have to buy a complete new version???? Any one know???
dlk30341 posted Mon, 31 January 2005 at 10:34 PM
$149.00 to upgrade to V5I if you have Vue4Pro.
aeilkema posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 1:44 AM
Wow, this new version looks absolutely amazing, I'd love to get my hands on it, but..... until E-On deals with this euro and pound prizing issue, I'm not buying. Don't like the feeling that I'm being cheated somehow.
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Food for thought.....
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maxxxmodelz posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 2:15 AM
"Maxxxmodels: not a new feature, already in Vue 4 Pro see: HERE" Ah, that's cool. I don't have Vue 4 Pro, so I wasn't aware of it. Thought only WorldBuilder supported that. As an animator myself, the most exciting new features have to deal with the extensive G-Buffer output. As far as I'm aware, it will incorporate new capabilities in this area that were not previously possible in Vue. Makes working in AfterEffects and Combustion much easier and provides more control. That alone sells me on this product.
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estherau posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 6:11 AM
aeilkema I can understand how you feel, truly, but I think if you don't get it you will be cutting off your nose to spite your face. Eon won't care about one customer and you know you want it - go on, just complain and vent but get it. You'll be happy you did. Well at least I hope we all will be. Sometimes things in life aren't fair, and we just have to make the best of them. Maybe if you have a friend or relative in America they could get it for you and then post it to you? I guess with every new version and upgrade and beta upgrade we all hope all the problems will be gone. I have a good feeling about it this time. Yours optimistically, esther (from australia)
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
Richmathews posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 6:20 AM
I agree with aeilkema on the fact that we are being messed up on the pricing, but I'm gonna get it asap. It looks absolutely amazing!! Why do we get screwed on the money side of things?
youandwhosarmy posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 6:22 AM
Absolutley fantastic, except I guess we'll have to wait for Vue6 for particles. I was really hoping they would include a particle engine in Vue5 Infinite.
wabe posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 6:29 AM
aeilkema i think the currency issue is something we all struggle with. Almost all companies does this. The standard argument is taxes, translation costs, shipment costs etc etc. You would not complain if the relation between Dollar and Pound/Euro would be vice versa. So that you get it cheaper here than in the States. This was so a while ago and nobody offered to pay more volunteerily. Not as far as i know. I think Adobe Photoshop is a good example. Is almost double the price in Europe than in the States. Is that fair? No. But business is not fair. Never. Your decision to make a deal or not. But as much as i know from this new feature it will be a killer. Incredible what i have seen so far. Something that will revolutionate the galleries, i am sure!
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agiel posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 7:06 AM
Yeah.... I can already imagine the debates :) Ecosystems vs hand placed plants. 3D objects vs billboards. And we thought we had problems with alpha planes of clouds :)
aeilkema posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 7:25 AM
I'm absolutely stunned by the new Vue Infinite features, but I've lived without for years now and Vue 5 does suit my needs pretty well. As for many businesses treating us that way, I do agree, that's why I do not do business with them. Got Poser 5 paid a fair price for it, now that they've changed their policy, I will not buy again. I do not have adobe photoshop, but do have an alternative. I use TrueSpace, just because of the pricing issue. I could continue with alternatives. As far as Vue is concerned one can buy it here at Renderosity just as well, avoiding all of the pricing issues :-) !!! Unfortunally I haven't seen the modules yet, I'll hope that they will be available here too, so I can finally purchase some of them.
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Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk
hein posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 8:24 AM
Wabe , when a few years ago the exchange rate differed in favor of the dollar , E-on had no problem in making us pay the correct amount , this time round they don't make that "error" because as a European company they would lose to much on the deal. Since there's no upgrade from V$ to V5 inf I'll probably get the full version for $599 when I'm in the US visiting the kids, the $400 price difference will pay for the planetickets for me and the Mrs.
Peggy_Walters posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 8:25 AM
Looks like a lot of cool featurs for Vue5i. Got my preorder in! If it ships March 14, I may have it by my birthday!
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A_ posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 9:30 AM
yes, it looks very cool, but i can't seem to understand the upgradings - if i have Vue d'Esprit 4 i get no upgrade?? anyway..... ever since i looked at the announcement, all i can think is.. I Want It lol
dlk30341 posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 10:33 AM
LO at Agiel...I thought the Billboards was a fancy new name for alpha planes.
nanotyrannus posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 10:55 AM
Billboards pretty much are alpha planes, except that it looks like they've made them so billboards always face the camera, whereas alpha planes have to be manually placed/animated to do so.
Also, on the whole ecosystem thingy and billions of polygons, Eon has an animation on their website that says it was created and rendered on a 512mb system, so in theory Eon is saying you don't need to upgrade your system at all for ecoystem to be used. I'm still curious as to how they can possibly make the memory management of those particular material/objects so efficient that the polygon count would be irrelevent for those objects (as that is how they make it sound).
I'm Still really really excited to get it though, I can think of a billion things to do with that tool that have just been a pain to do (or downright impossible) in any of the existing versions. It's times like these I really hate having a house to pay bills for :)
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war2 posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 11:55 AM
yep i hate paying my bills more then ever right now :) v5I + one more brand new ass spanking computer..... + bills....... oooo i guess my girlfriend will kill me next month and ill just have to live with it, such a harsh world :)
hstewarth posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 12:43 PM
I just received my emails (2) for Vue 5 Infinite and like everyone esle here, I was severely impressed. Without a doubt, I will be placing upgrade order tonight once I get home. One thing I am impressed with the ecosystem, the images look awesome and i hope its easy to get good looking images. One thing this reminds me is World Construction Set 6.0, WCS has both Ecosystem and Billboards are uses for showing the trees and such. I would expect that V5I will be a lot easlier to use and better looking then WCS. My copy of WCS 6.0 sits along with its dongle. The lighting sounds very interesting also, I have use Surface Baking with Lightwave and its quites power, I am interested in how V5I imaplements such stuff. Can't wait till the package arrives at my house. I do hope the that e-On has tested it with latest version of Lightwave. Newtek recently gave out a free 8.2 Update.
XENOPHONZ posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 1:34 PM
I'm on it. Can't wait to get started.
Lyne posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 2:11 PM
But... where is the modular version?? I don't need all the modules and I thought I could get a basic V5I, and then get just one module and at least, as a plain old V4 user, I would get a break that way. $600 ?? it is a toy for me... I want it badly..but really cannot afford $600... and I THOUGHT I read all about modules? All I want is the ability to import pz3's... I don't NEED a plant editor, since it has a plant generator... I think..I do NOT animate at all... all the vues are very confusing! Help!!?? Were the modules only with Vue 4 Pro.. or 5 pro?? But I want that thing that generates multiples of the same object... ooooh dear... :(
Life Requires Assembly and we all know how THAT goes!
agiel posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 2:28 PM
Lyne - You can view the modules as packages slices of Vue Infinite that you can add to enhance Vue 5. They are designed for Vue 5 and already included in Vue Infinite. If you are only interested by ecosystems, you will have to wait until e-on creates an ecosystem module for Vue 5 (if enough people write to them about it, it would make a logical choice).
Odyssey posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 2:30 PM
Agiel, I just read on the e-on forum that there was no plans for more modules for Vue 5.... I am a bit shocked, I thought we had the chance to upgrade at our own pace with modules.... Guess that won't be the case. Elaine
iloco posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 2:39 PM
I read the same. I believe if enough will post in e-ons Vue forum they may change their mind. It may not be practical to have the econ system as a module is reason for them saying no more addons. :)
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Veritas777 posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 2:43 PM
YES, YES! REAL WAVES! I can't believe I am FINALLY seeing this come true! INCREDIBLE! Absolutely will be my KILLER 3D application... Plus Cel Shaders (YAHOOO!) and great Photoshop Compatibility- this is EVERYTHING I could ever hope for!!! Geez- I'm flying over to Paris to get my copy ASAP, HEH!
Lyne posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 2:48 PM
I bet the eco system is very much a part of V5I... I did go back to e-on and study carfully the products and pricing... it looks like it's vue 5 pro that is modular, but of course with no eco-system... the problem too, is my own feeling that buying the full program means it may all work more smoothly than adding things onto an "older" version... I have no idea.... but in looking at the features list, it looks like I am STUCK with paying $600 or not, period.
I just wish I, as a vue 4 user, had some sort of price break... even just $100 off to upgrade to vue 5I, would help!!
I will NOT pre order, I will sit back now and wait to see how it all falls out, how folks like it, if e-on will consider a side grade from vue 4, etc... I will go post as much on the e-on site too, to make sure my "vote" is heard.
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Life Requires Assembly and we all know how THAT goes!
agiel posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 2:52 PM
Lyne - "Vue 5 Pro studio" is just a name for a bundle made of Vue 5 and all the modules. You can get each module separately and add them to Vue 5.
Lyne posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 3:02 PM
but vue 5 pro will not have the eco-system... there is the way that e-on will get vue 5I purchases.. I did go post at e-on, where others are asking the same things... so hopefully..! I also posted over there, that it LOOKS like vue 5 I will import pz3's - so I don't need mover.... Ah well... I am going to go do some renders and relax.. :)
Life Requires Assembly and we all know how THAT goes!
hstewarth posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 3:16 PM
I think $150 for upgrade from Vue 4 Pro to Vue 5 Infinite is not a bad deal. If you compare it other packages, it is a lot more expensive. I recently did $500 for Lightwave 8.0 upgrade and $300 for Mojoworld Pro Upgrade - so $150 for V5I is a great deal. I think the features in V5I sound very high end - like some of features in Lightwave 8. I do like the fact that Newtek did give out a Lightwave 8.2 upgrade for free. One thing I really hope works, is the extra tree collections that I purchase. I purchase them and they will not load on Vue 4 Pro - I desire them to work with V5I - hoepfully even the new EcoSystem.
iloco posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 3:18 PM
Lyne someone posted a question in the Vue forum at e-on site about a break for Vue 4 users and sbell told them to contact sells and they should be able to work something out. I feel like you may get a break if you will do that. :) If you have Vue 4 registered you can access the vue forum at e-ons site for more info.
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XENOPHONZ posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 3:25 PM
I think $150 for upgrade from Vue 4 Pro to Vue 5 Infinite is not a bad deal. It's a fantastic deal. I am looking forward to spending the money. It'll be a worthwhile investment.
MartinPh posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 4:13 PM
So what can we look forward to with V5I? A gallery full of treecovered panoramic landscapes...? Yawn. I'm very curious, meanwhile, about the memory issue - if no fix is yet available for OOM errors in V5E even in scenes under 1 mln polygons, how are they going to handle billions? No info on system requirements as yet...
XENOPHONZ posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 4:35 PM
So what can we look forward to with V5I? A gallery full of treecovered panoramic landscapes...? Yawn.
I'd say that things tend to be full of.....what they are filled with.
Whatever that might happen to be.........
BTW - I love endless 3D landscapes.....they tend to be filled up with trees. And little else.
dlk30341 posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 4:48 PM
I'd much rather drive thru the mountains & see endless miles of beautiful foliage than "drive" thru endless pics of NVIATWS. Of course, this is IMHO :)
nanotyrannus posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 4:52 PM
"So what can we look forward to with V5I? A gallery full of treecovered panoramic landscapes...? Yawn" I would expect some of that, but the thing I've found to be the most interesting feature of Vue is how we find ways of doing things with it's features that they initially weren't intended for. I for one already envision a lot of other possibilities for this technology, and also look forward to propogating my landscapes with thousounds of trees, I think there's room for both. Happy Rendering!
dlk30341 posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 4:58 PM
The possibilites are endless. Action scenes - war/dance/ sporting. Neighborhoods with cities intertwined. Herds of animals. Fields of flowers. Car/boat/motorcyle races. The list is endless. This new technology sets up scenes in my mind, that I NEVER would have been to accomplish otherwise without mounds of postwork.
Phantast posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 5:03 PM
Of course, what you don't know is what sort of performance hit some of these new features will make. It's one thing to have a million trees in your scene, but another if it takes until doomsday to render the result. Just being cautious ...
agiel posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 5:06 PM
Ecosystems allow much more than panoaramic landscapes covered with trees.
Think 'heaps', 'groups', 'columns', 'queues'...
:)
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dlk30341 posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 5:23 PM
Phantast, What I find encouraging..regarding sys specs. etc....is the animation over at E-ON was done with 512k of RAM. That alone has me hopefully :)
JJ54 posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 6:02 PM
What exactly do they mean by "animated mesh"??? I use Cinema 4D - Which it will export to but not import from :-( -- So if I animate in C4D can I use the animation in Vue? What format?? Jim
DigReal posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 6:04 PM
I just gotta add my WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOAaaaa to this thread. When I read the feature list, I got goosebumbs. Still have em. The EcoSystem thing alone is more than I could've wished for. The illumination baking sounds very promising, too... especially if it can be done on a per object basis. Dang, sure hope my keyboard doesn't get shorted out from me droolin on it for the next 6 weeks. Way ta go, E-on!!!
nanotyrannus posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 6:50 PM
Phantast: I definately hear you on being cautious, that (along with finances) is why I won't be ordering it until I hear for sure that this whole ecosystem is all that it touts itself to be in the system resource category. Dlk said it way back at the beginning of this post that Vue 5 Esprit right now has enough problems trying to do scenes that are in the tens of millions of polygons, and e-on is talking about 72 BILLION polygons for one of these ecosystem things, I will definately hold until I know for sure that it really does work on a 512mb system (and by work I don't mean "well, it doesn't crash, and you CAN render it, but it takes 4 months and you better not touch it while it does it's thing", I mean you can actually move things around in it without waiting five minutes for it to regenerate the whole scene for every millimeter you move the object :) But yes, very excited and hopeful and jittery (and yes, I think I felt goosebumps and hairchills somewhere along the line) at the thought of the new ecosystem feature :)
war2 posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 6:51 PM
mm veritas, animated waves got my juices flowing to :) nah theres just so many improvements in infinite that its a borderline dream, hopefully this dream wont get riddled with bugs :)
lingrif posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 7:31 PM
Had to throw in my 2 cents worth of excitement - actually it's a lot more than that!! Infinite sounds incredible and I can't wait! I do wonder about system resources, but I'm building a new machine and can't wait to test drive the new software on the new hardware.
hstewarth posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 8:09 PM
I am curious about hardware for usage with Vue. I currently have 1 Meg of memory on my machines. Is there any value to going to 2 meg on memory for Vue. FYI: Machine runing Vue 4 has the following.. I think currently hardware has stalled so I waiting for Dual cores. 3.2Ghz P4 HT - 1 Gig DDR400 GeForce 6800GT 320G harddisk plus 300G USB I been debating about getting a Dual CPU Xeon system ( hopefull with dual core - but that maybe not here this year ). I know Lightwave 3d will take advantage of more than 2 cpus, can Vue take advantage of more than 2 cpus - IE 4 cpus - a dual xeon system with HT, will have 4 logical cpus.
deevee posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 8:25 PM
Holey Moley!another Captain Marvel fan. Fantastic news, Looking forward to seeing the first renderes with it.
sacada posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 9:20 PM
The new eco-system functionality is awesome. Instant forests, crowds, herds, citys and suburbs... all in the same image... all interlaced. It's a huge breakthrough. Billion polygon renders that are memory friendly and fast to render. Yes, uses multi-processors (more than 2).
timoteo1 posted Tue, 01 February 2005 at 9:46 PM
All I can say is "WOW!!" Ok, I can say a lil' more ... I read every single feature and am very impressed. Some of the stuff I have to say "It's about friggin' time!!", but it all makes me very happy. (I'm sure you're all sooo relieved! LOL!)
The new keyframing and rendering options finally put Vue into the Pro status in my book. I'll have to see how they are really implemented to say for sure, but it sounds like everything I, and other animators, have been asking for ... just crossing fingers and hoping it's more stable than previous releases. Sounds like they took steps in that arena as well.
Can't wait...
megalodon posted Wed, 02 February 2005 at 12:57 AM
Well... I was one of "those" who said they would be waiting until Vue 5 Infinite shipped and was tested "by the masses." I would not be buying it until the initial bugs were worked out - if ever. Well... I'm eating my words. Looking at the images, animations and feature list... I already pre-prdered. Can't believe it but I did. Of course the $149 upgrade pricing kinda helped too! :) March 14th can't get here soon enough! Megalodon
timoteo1 posted Wed, 02 February 2005 at 2:45 AM
I should be paying around $20 for mine thanks to some contest vouchers, so it's a no-brainer. But even without them, it's still pretty much a no brainer if you're upgrading.
rodluc2001 posted Wed, 02 February 2005 at 8:18 AM
hstewarth posted Wed, 02 February 2005 at 8:36 AM
Amazing # of polygons in very realistic image. At what resolution is this image and how long did it take to render?
nanotyrannus posted Wed, 02 February 2005 at 9:29 AM
Wow, very photorealistic ;) So that took what?...a few million years of creation and render time ;) On a more serious note, It'll be interesting to see if Vue's memory management / ecosystem technology will work with xfrog trees, so we really CAN recreate that scene!
agiel posted Wed, 02 February 2005 at 10:00 AM
There will always be limits and trade-offs with what you can do depending on your memory, CPU and the size/type of objects in your scene. An ecosystem with 1000 Vue trees will be a lot more diverse and light on your system than the same scene with 1000 xfrog trees.
war2 posted Wed, 02 February 2005 at 10:52 AM
fantastic work rodluc, as mentioned a rendertime of a few million years is alittle to much for most people and computers :).
XENOPHONZ posted Wed, 02 February 2005 at 11:35 AM
Vue enables you to create landscapes that you'd never be able to photograph. Because those landscapes previously only existed in your mind. And you won't have to wait "several million years" for the result.
nanotyrannus posted Wed, 02 February 2005 at 11:38 AM
Maybe we could get a global rendering network to split it up, maybe get it down to a few thousand years instead? :) Agiel: Oh yeah, I know, there are always limits, and eon definately has my vote as far as memory management goes, I've tried out a few other programs and most can't even come close to handling the sheer number of polygons that Vue does. And you're definately right about a vue forest being more diverse, it would just be nice to have a decent pine tree that can be spread out like eon shows it's maples being spread out like. The environments I want to create are dominated mostly by conifers and frankly Vue's christmas tree style "fir tree" just doesn't cut it, even using the editor it's just not what I'm looking for.
Costaud posted Wed, 02 February 2005 at 3:59 PM
I cannot afford $600.00 yet so I will upgrade my version 4 to version 5 and I hope I will upgrade to Infinite later because I WANT IT.
jwhitham posted Wed, 02 February 2005 at 5:19 PM
"Pre-animated meshes as a feature? It is listed further down the page as relates to Vue 5."
Oh yeah, don't know how I missed that, and you can use them in ecosystems. If there's some way to control their behaviour in an ecosystems, that's the most fantastic feature there.
"I mean you can actually move things around in it without waiting five minutes for it to regenerate the whole scene for every millimeter you move the object :)"
I very much doubt that you will be able to move any individual object within an ecosystem, just define a set of rules for distribution.
As far as memory use goes, e-on must (at last) have adopted the notion of instantiation for such huge arrays to work. Consider this; a Vue maple averages 44,000 polys, if we take it that those polys are triangular and defined by 3 x 3 x 32 bit numbers per poly that gives around 510k for the geometry, on top of that around 1k is probably needed for a descriptor containing: name, translations, material, visibility, etc. An instance of that tree (i.e. an exact copy), even translated rotated and scaled, can be repesented in 40 bytes. Take it further and a group of instances can be instanced for a similarly small overhead.
Of course it still has to get rendered though...
sandoppe posted Wed, 02 February 2005 at 6:19 PM
I'm still at Vue 4.2. I know Vue 5 will run on this old box of mine, but what kind of hardware do you need to run this latest version of Vue 5 Infinite? I can't afford to buy software and machines....so I'm actually thinking I might just wait for a about a year.....get a new computer and by then Vue 5 infinite might be more affordable :)
JJ54 posted Wed, 02 February 2005 at 8:04 PM
Pre-animated meshes I still don't understand this. What formats beyond Poser can be pre-animated? Jim
Dale B posted Wed, 02 February 2005 at 8:53 PM
Apparently E-on is going to be providing pre-animated mesh objects through the Cornucopia-3D store they are working on. The show reel for Vue 5 had an example, in the very low res figure walking along the sidewalk. That wasn't a Poser figure, but something else native to Vue 5 & Vue Infinite. As it had a very unfinished look to it, I would guess that E-on provided it to Phoul expressly for the purpose of showing the basic functionality, with more to come.
jwhitham posted Wed, 02 February 2005 at 9:02 PM
Dale_B, don't you have the guy in question (Dave) in your Vue 5 object library? I do.
JJ54 posted Wed, 02 February 2005 at 9:43 PM
Dale B: Thanks I have Cinema 4d R9, Rhinoceros 3, and LightWave 8.2. Hopefully one of those will work! What is the Cornucopia Store???? Jim
dlk30341 posted Wed, 02 February 2005 at 9:45 PM
The store won't be up for possibly a couple months.
XENOPHONZ posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 1:12 AM
That wasn't a Poser figure, but something else native to Vue 5 & Vue Infinite. Interesting.
videodv posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 2:19 AM
Attached Link: Pre Animated Meshes
You can find out about pre animated meshes from this link. Hope this helps. videodv.
Flak posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 2:59 AM
Hell, I'm impressed by those features in Vue Infinite... and I'm a hardened bryce user. That ecosystem thing looks soooooo very interesting (let alone texture baking) :)
Dreams are just nightmares on prozac...
Digital
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war2 posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 4:39 AM
welcome onboard flak :) and yep v5I sure is impressive looking nothing wrong with bryce, but if you have the money i think its time to move over :P
Dale B posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 6:42 AM
Hmph! So I do! I haven't gone poking about in the libraries all that much, being too busy hammering away at the PoserVue end of things. Looks like I should...
Flak posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 6:49 AM
Thanks war2... I regularly cruise through this forum in stealth-lurk-mode as a few of the technique things can be used in both bryce and Vue with small adjustments, but when I hit this thread I left some drool. Just cleaning up now ;) edit - yeah 600$ is a pretty steep hit for a hobby, but it sure looks like it would be an interesting hit.
Message edited on: 02/03/2005 06:50
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hstewarth posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 10:12 AM
Attached Link: Complete List of features
I took a quick look though the V5I complete list of features ( see link ) and I am quite impress. To me it seams that V5I is light years ahead of Vue 4 Pro and Vue 5. It looks like e-on did a lot of work in improving the materials editor. One thing I am curious is about the ecosystem, will a complex system with forest of trees and other objects take a lot of time and will network rendering will significantly reduce the time of rendering. I have a network of 4 P4's ( 3 with HT ) and I can't wait for V5I. I will definely setup Network enviroment on when I get this package. I would be really interested in clear definetion of memory requirements for a complex scene with multiple ecosystems in it.
iloco posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 10:18 AM
With all the complex new features in Vue Infinite I am hoping e-on will give us a couple new pine trees that will work with the Ecosystem. The one lonely pine has been around for ever and I never did think it made for a good looking forest. :) I would like to hear some info on memory management also. :)
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XENOPHONZ posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 11:37 AM
yeah 600$ is a pretty steep hit for a hobby I've know people to spend $50,000 to $75,000 on a bass boat. I've also known audiophiles to drop $35,000 on a high-end stereo system. And not bat an eye in the process.
agiel posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 12:37 PM
I have a neighbor who spends more money on his car as a 'hobby' than he does on his house :)
Dale B posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 12:57 PM
Eeeeeyup. I'd probably be...dismayed if I actually sat down and added up what I've plowed into Poser and content, Vue and content, the Adobe editing suite I've been building up, and all the other applications and what not. Never mind the hardware. But careful shopping and barain hunting where applicable makes it much easier.
Costaud posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 3:33 PM
$600.00 is not to much for a product like this...when you have that money and it's not my case at the moment.
aeilkema posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 3:49 PM
$599 is a great price for a product like this. I've got TrueSpace 6.6 too ($595) and I don't even use it half at much as I do Vue. Unfortunally as a European user I don't pay $599, but over $800, due to some currency policy E-On has and that is way to much for me to pay.... Don't have that kind of money at the moment and even when I would have it, I wouldn't get it, don't like it that someone else is paying over $200 less then I do for the same product.
Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722
Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(
Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk
XENOPHONZ posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 4:53 PM
don't like it that someone else is paying over $200 less then I do for the same product.
Get your government to lower its taxes. That'll have a positive effect on prices all the way down the line.
Or, alternately -- move to the US. Our taxes are too high over here, too.....but not as bad as in Europe. Message edited on: 02/03/2005 16:53
XENOPHONZ posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 4:55 PM
Gasoline (petrol) costs a lot more in Europe, too. Those absurd taxes again...........
aeilkema posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 5:22 PM
That would be 35% of tax on Vue 5I and we don't have 35% tax in Europe.... only 15%.
Besides that the product isn't shipped from the US at all.... it shipped from France, so these all of these extra import taxes don't apply at all.
As for as the gasoline concerns, that does have special tax rate (like wine, beer and sigarets) and that is very high indeed. But the tax rate for software is 15% and not 35%.
It's all due to the 1-1 currency exchange rate, 1 dollar is 1 euro. All of the world can pay in dollars, except for us Europeans, we are singled out and pay absurd prices.... It's a mysterious issue and E-On doesn't reply to questions asked regarding this issue. But back to topic again, Vue Infinite sure looks good and I'm for sure going to download the demo once it arrives. I want to see this Eco stuff in action! By the way are protesting people included too when I do not use this eco system in Vue wisely? I can already see the people assemble in front of my house with signs like, Save the Vue Eco System! Rescue the Vue Enviroment!
Message edited on: 02/03/2005 17:24
Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722
Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(
Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk
XENOPHONZ posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 5:36 PM
High taxes drive prices up across the board. High gasoline taxes drive the price of software up, just as high taxes drive the overall cost of living up.
Pretty much everything costs more in Europe than it does in the US.
Many Canadians cross the border into the US in order to buy their gasoline and to do their grocery shopping.
Canada has tax rates which are comparable to European rates.
It's the high price of socialism -- which we have too much of in this country, too.
However, this isn't a politcal debate forum, so I'll let the matter drop.
But back to topic again, Vue Infinite sure looks good
On this point, we agree 100%.
jwhitham posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 6:20 PM
"High taxes drive prices up across the board. High gasoline taxes drive the price of software up, just as high taxes drive the overall cost of living up."
XENOPHONZ,
I'm sorry but that's rubbish. The point is that it's expedient for vendors to equate the Euro with the dollar even when, as now, they're way out of line. Your gasoline tax is indirect, it's what you're paying for the war in Iraq, which is really all about securing future oil supplies.
If you think that war is preferable to reducing your energy consumption, just don't expect many Europeans to agree with you. You know that some of us are actually proud to pay taxes, to support our health services and the unemployed and undepriveleged? It's called having a social concience.
XENOPHONZ posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 6:41 PM
I especially liked the purple fingers lifted up for oil......no.......I mean for freedom. I have easy responses to your other points (such as they are) -- but I will not continue this mini-debate here. This forum isn't the place for it. Keep this up, and we'll get our posts deleted or the thread locked. Back to discussing VI..........
jwhitham posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 6:53 PM
I have easy responses to your other points (such as they are) -- but I will not continue this mini-debate here.
No, I can understand that. Post inflamatory stuff, get self righteous and pull out before the posts get deleted when people answer you back. You've done it enough in the Poser Forum, so why not here?
hstewarth posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 7:13 PM
One thing I am curious about, isn't there a relationship between e-On and France. I just wish March 15 was here for a couple of reasons.. Better weather and now Vue 5 Infinite. I am not sure if I want to even mess with older Vue 4 pro with reading all the cool features. It would be sad thing to lock or kill this thread, because I feel it will help get new users. One of most realistic CGI Landscape pictures I have ever seen is in this thread ( #77 ).
iloco posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 7:18 PM
You took the words out of my mouth hstewarth. This is to good a thread to have it locked because of difference in opinion with politics. It has nothing to do with what this thread is all about. :) I would like to see more renders and more discussion on Vue Infinite and what it has to offer.
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jwhitham posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 7:21 PM
One thing I am curious about, isn't there a relationship between e-On and France.
e-on is a French company, based in Paris, though I believe the workforce is from all over.
jwhitham posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 7:26 PM
iloco, I doubt agiel would lock the thread, just maybe delete some posts. He's a European too, we are generally moderate people:)
hstewarth posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 7:28 PM
Agree iloco, I would especially see a lot of detail information about the Ecosystems. Does e-On have some screen shots of setup screens in V5I. The whole idea Ecosystems just get my mind thinking about future images.
XENOPHONZ posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 7:47 PM
No, I can understand that. Post inflamatory stuff, get self righteous and pull out before the posts get deleted when people answer you back. You've done it enough in the Poser Forum, so why not here? yawn Believe that if it makes you feel better. Trust me, I have no problems with holding down my side of a debate......but in the proper forum for political issues. Not to mention in the proper thread. Which isn't this one. As for anything that I say in the Poser forum that you don't happen to like.......please feel free to engage me over there at your convenience. The water's fine.
XENOPHONZ posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 7:49 PM
P.S. If agiel is willing to give us carte blanche to rumble, then I'll be only too happy to oblige you.
XENOPHONZ posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 7:49 PM
In a different thread, created specifically for the purpose.
iloco posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 7:50 PM
Please do it in another thread. Is that to much to ask. :o( I get tired of getting email notice and come to visit the thread and its off topic.
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XENOPHONZ posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 7:53 PM
I get tired of getting email notice and come to visit the thread and its off topic. And you are justified in feeling that way.
hstewarth posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 8:25 PM
Getting back to the topic of thread.. Have you notice the enhancement for Surface Baking. Lightwave 3d has this feature and I think it will help speed up renders a lot. I would really curious on how this works in V5I. I am curious once the materials are bake, can the user go back and editing - adding details and such. I really hope e-On creates some online tutorials for new features and make them available before March 15.
agiel posted Thu, 03 February 2005 at 9:08 PM
I thought I would chime in for a couple of observations : - I read recently that, contrary to appearances, the current high prices for gas is not due to the war in Iraq but to China and India creating large reserves of oil in case of future crisis. Their needs are expanding at a rapid rate and putting a strain on an already stressed production system. - Eco-systems really work as advertised. You can select multiple objects, rate their importance in the distribution and control the distribution with many parameters. I can't tell you more than what was announced though because of the agreement I signed as a beta tester. - In case someone has any doubt, the picture posted by rodluc2001 is a photograph :) - I am sure e-on will create tutorials about eco-systems. They have done a lot of work with their online demos already.