Attached Link: http://www.poserpros.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=37512

This might be just what they needed.

we'll see

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I sincerely hope they don't change the prices to reflect the new DAZ ownership.

Do the impossible, see the invisible

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER

Touch the untouchable, break the unbreakable

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER

...hmm. I think I'll celebrate by buying a few things here at Rosity ;)

I for one am not amused OR pleased by this news.

Some people are not going to be happy about this. I can hear the screaming already. The merchant cut will drop! The Chicken Coop will be closed! The genital props and bdsm gear will be purged from the store! Nudity will be banned from galleries!

But I have hope that DAZ will leave it more or less alone. Why bother to buy another site that will be just like DAZ3D.com? They were going to buy it awhile back, and leave Mehndi in charge.

Besides, the naughty stuff is very profitable. That may be what they mean with all that talk about "synergy": a way to get a cut of the hot market for more adult Poser stuff, without sacrificing their family-friendly image.

Besides, the naughty stuff is very profitable. That may be what they mean with all that talk about "synergy": a way to get a cut of the hot market for more adult Poser stuff, without sacrificing their family-friendly image. I for one,really hope that's what they are thinking. 3DZ

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ive read messages over at PP and they say they are taking the best from both PP and daz most of the staff will be staying from what i can make out.

if you buy it, it's not competition anymore is it? duh...

I'm disappointed also. Another one bites the dust I can see it now, bondage gear with SR1...SR2... lmao

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Quick everybody, run over to Poser Pros and buy the naughty stuff! (May be) Last Chance!!! ;-)

cough monopoly cough, cough

Do the impossible, see the invisible

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER

Touch the untouchable, break the unbreakable

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LMAO couldnt see daz selling mike sex poses where he gets his arse slapped by V3.

If Daz doesn't want to deal with chargeback scams and credit card policies against porno items, they can just move them to the porno site (Renderotica).

Attached Link: http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?p=183443#183443

The offical DAZ Announcement Helen

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Senior MarketPlace Tester

If anyone sees a mind wandering aimlessly around..... It is mine.  I want it back.

I, for one, haven't seen much truly "naughty stuff" for sale at Poserpros. A few items, sure......but not many. Certainly nothing like the items that Renderosity used to carry in quantity until recently.

About the only thing that I've seen over there is that set for Ingenue Vicky......other than that, there's not much that I can think of. Perhaps they intend to offer more items along those lines? Surprising, if true.

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As for the new owners -- I wish them the best with it.

I'll continue to be a customer, no matter what their forum policies turn out to be.

I'll buy lots of stuff here, too.

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"cough monopoly cough, cough" Not.. Rotica Animotions Rosity Commune Poserworld Rendervisions All owned by someone else. 2 sites owned doesn't make a monopoly

Aren't Renderotica and Animotions owned by the same people? This change in ownership might be good. Poser Pros had some great potential, but lost much of it due to bitter, public fights, and the copyright scandals.

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I, for one, am not keen on DAZ at all, except for their figures. As long as they don't buyout 'Poser' I'll continue to be a happy camper. Software merges stink, they tend to change the program. :)(MHO)

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I'll give 5 - 1 odds that the program over at Poser Pros gets changed too :)

Remember, there are a bunch of little stores out there too as some merchants (looks around innocently) have their own sites from which they sell their products and there are more and more popping up lately. I'd venture to say the PhilC does well on his site. There are other bands of merchants running sites like Oddity Foundry and I believe FaerieWylde has a store. There's also RDNA, for another sizable conglomerate of merchants. There are really a bunch of them out there - too many to mention - and I find them all the time.

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It is a legal bizarity that something that is created by someone long enough ago can be acquired by someone else who then gets a copyright on it because of some work he did on something that wasn't his creation.

But yeah, since Irak we know the means and methods of mass distraction....

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I have tried prudent planning long enough. From now I'll be mad. (Rumi)

Oh well, there goes the neighborhood.

You know what is right for you. I know what is right for me.

Very very sad news.... soon the poser world will look like the real world, a couple of mega-companies charging outrages prices, destroying our cosy little local stores. With all of the recent moves DAZ is making it's becoming more clear and clear, they're trying to take over the poser world and before we know all of us are subjects in the great DAZ Empire.

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

Well, I for one think its great! I dont know the whole story, but just think about it, if DAZ (a reputable company, who is bloody fantastic at what they do)didnt buy Poser Pros and instead some random, I dont think poser Pros would actually last much longer than 3 or 4 months Tops! But with DAZ buying Poser Pros, we all know it must turn out for the best, right? Thats my opinion... and all I have to say....Thanx

I just hope Poser Pros won't become a second rate back office to DAZ, with the best artists being sold at AZ, with DAZ prices and DAZ commercial strategies : Here is a great brand new product. Oh and you have to buy this also to get it work. Oh and this also is mandatory. Yes, it's a pack, but we sell it as 3 separate packs. No, sorry, you can't buy anything related to another product because we hired all the good merchants to work for this product. But we bought that nicey little second rate site where you can buy product for poor losers like you. You get the idea...

At first, I was thinking, "yes, I know that's rare LOL," Daz wanted a Non Disney site. After reading the Daz announcement, the stated, minor TOS changes, I don't think so. I'm thinking it will be another family site. Say good bye to the Gallery. I also think there will be a change in the store. Is this a bad thing? Won't know till it's done and we get a chance to see what really has been changed. I too hope there will still be the great buys, but Daz, I'm just guessing, would rather have you sign up as a PC member. Might be a benifit there?

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I, for one, haven't seen much truly "naughty stuff" for sale at Poserpros.

The genital props by insomniaworks have been selling there since Rosity threw them out.ya think DAZ is gonna KEEP those?

The3dZone

Funny YouTube video of the week - Bu De Bu Ai

I, for one, haven't seen much truly "naughty stuff" for sale at Poserpros.

I mean by DAZ's standards. This is the company that used to refuse to sell underwear for Vicky.

Bad, bad news. I just came out of the DAZ platinum club because the poserpros pro club was better value and had a better diversity of stuff. The DAZ platinum club only seems to cater for Aiko or other anime types at the moment. Shit I'm really gutted at this news! Don't get me wrong, I like DAZ but poserpros should have stayed as it was IMHO.

Injustice will be avenged.
Cofiwch Dryweryn.

Don't get me wrong, I like DAZ but poserpros should have stayed as it was IMHO.

Unfortunately, that wasn't possible. Through no fault of DAZ's.

Steve K over at DAZ says one of the reasons DAZ bought PoserPros was that they wanted the site to survive. (And yes, before the buyout, PP's survival was in question.)

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After reading the Daz announcement, the stated, minor TOS changes, I don't think so. I'm thinking it will be another family site. Say good bye to the Gallery. I also think there will be a change in the store.

According to the Announcement at DAZ, the Gallery will remain as is. With the comments comparing DAZ to Disney, I think this is their Touchstone, so to say.

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ratscloset
aka John

Yeah, I doubt Poser Pros would have stayed as it was, given the recent events. So, in that respect, I think DAZ did a good thing. It always seems, though, that anything they do is viewed as a bad thing. I have good hopes. If anything, this keeps Poser Pros as a place where we can still go for Poser 5 (and beyond) stuff. If DAZ hadn't bought it, I wonder if we would still have had that option?

As far as the "naughty items" in the store at PP are concerned.....they offer -- uh -- anatomically correct models for sale. But that's about it. I've only seen one "naughty" set other than the genital models: the one for Ingenue Vicky.

PP has never offered tons of dungeon sets or props for sale. And I'd be very surprised if they started to do so now.

I don't know if they'll pull the genital models. We'll see. I am not staying up nights worrying about the issue.

I've got a feeling that PP might begin to concentrate on the learning-site aspect of its existence.....and that DAZ will begin to shut down the political/social debate aspect (I.E. intellectual jello-vat wrestling). Some people won't like it, but that's life. ((That's English for C'est la vie.))

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IMO - DAZ is a great company, and deserves our support. I fully intend to give them that support: and I encourage others to do so.

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The only "great company" I know are my friends....
As for business, the 2 only kind of companies I know are companies I buy from and companies I don't buy from.
I don't give any support nor expect gratitude : I give money and I expect goods corresponding to the money I spent.

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shrug

That's a perfectly legitimate way to look at the matter........

However, companies are collections of individuals. Not faceless entities dwelling in a tower beyond the mountains. Therefore, companies are subject to all of the follies of men.......

Whatever.....they've got my vote.

Something To Do At 3:00AM 

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Ingenue Vickie says her set isn't naughty, it is just rendered that way...

I'm hoping that DAZ has a light hand at Poser Pros.

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I think that people have reason to be nervous about the TOS changes, based on what TOS changes led to here. I'd hope Daz are looking to take advantages of the differences. Others have mentioned the Disney use of the Touchstone brand as an example. Turning Poser Pros into another squeaky-clean site doesn't make sense to me.

Frankly I'm all for it - now DAZ has an outlet to expand a bit more. It wasn't that long ago members at DAZ were upset over knowing that all the add-on products for the K-family would be removed because DAZ doesn't support products not sold at DAZ (although no merchants complained because we already know it's always a possibilty). Now they can/will - that's a good thing for DAZ and probably for the merchants, if product get pulled inthe future perhaps the add-ons will simply be transferred to PP.

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I've never seen anything wrong with the TOS at Renderosity or DAZ3D. One big problem in the Poser communities is the tendency of some people to act out, with insults and threats. Too often this behavior was allowed to go on for awhile without being challenged. Insults and threats are not a part of "Free Speech." Renderosity has become a friendlier place since the Moderators started cracking down.

I don't see DAZ as oppressive. There's a lot of stimulating and sometimes heavy discussions there. Some people are heavy-handed in their arguments, without resorting to insults or threats. The enforcement of DAZ TOS is uneven, I get the impression these moderators are new at their jobs, and unsure of themselves.

PS: DAZ does not publicly announce any bannings.

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Are you speaking from experience Ron? ;o)

I guess no one's thought of the fact that prices will probably go up there and that there will be 2 stores where Daz holds sway? When prices go up one place they go down in another...but only for awhile. They then creep up to beyond what they were. At that point, those of us that are hobbyists will be priced right out of the Poser scene and won't be able to afford what we used to. That, or their'll be a lot of first borns given away... I don't like what Daz' buying of Poser Pro's signifies: a narrowing of the market that can only hurt and not help. And this is coming from someone that loves Daz (I have a couple products there and I have absolutely TONS of Daz items). A few people have mentioned a couple other stores. No disrespect to them, but PPros was possibly the fourth largest (maybe 3D Commune neck and neck), right behind Daz, ROsity and RDNA. After PoserPros, the next largest (or lucritive you might say), pales in comparrison and has a wide gap between. Unless most of us run to those other, smaller stores, Daz will get what they want - a much, MUCH bigger chunk, and therefore control, of the poser product market. I just don't see it as being a good thing. Laurie

Hmmm, but think of the contrary. What would it have been like if Poser Pros had shut down?

Better perhaps! A new site (based on former admins and merchants) with the same ethos may well have formed.

I'm with you Storm. Laurie

It is still a possibility and may happen if Daz mess with the ethos. :0)

Here are a couple of site names if anyone is interested.
PoserProfessionals
ProPoser
PremPoser
PoserPriorities
etc. or how about Diz-An-Daz

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My disgust with DAZs' purchase of PP is based on the fact that they do NOT represent the best quality a product can be (I'm speaking of DAZ originals here, not their brokered items Jim).

The products are not the best they can be. They're the least they can get away with. Because the next version will be better (and hell, if we can spread this across 6 versions look at the money we'll make).

What makes you think they won't pull anything (or refuse it) they don't want competing with them? That and the appearance that they do not seem to conduct business with the same "wholesome" approach that they deem to shove down everyones' throat guised as "family" values.

The spread of mediocrity...let's all watch

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Better perhaps! A new site (based on former admins and merchants) with the same ethos may well have formed. To develop a site that would support the number of admins and merchants that PP had would take money ... either to transfer the existing content or to develop an entirely new back end and storefront. Poser Pros wasn't built in a day, and a new site won't happen that quickly either. The easiest and best solution for the PoserPros community was to have someone purchase it. And there weren't really very many candidates that would have that kind of cash. DAZ and CL were the most likely candidates. There isn't anything to stop anyone from starting a new community, it will just take time to nurture and grow it.

You are forgetting some of PoserDom's history. Willow-Poser Forum, Jack and Renderosity, Jack and Ed and Diane with Rotica, 3D Commune etc. and that was all before commercial products and their revenue. Hmmm.... the New Frontiers/Settler spirit seems to have gone out of this community

I don't think prices will go up. DAZ's strategy seems to be to make this hobby/addiction as cheap as possible. They want to expand their customer base, making less profit on each item, but selling a lot more units. Look at how prices have dropped. First the Platinum Club, which forced other stores to lower prices, too. Now V3, M3, A3, etc., are free. And they're giving away D|S. I don't think it's an evil plan to kill Curious Labs. I think it's an attempt to reach a broader audience, and turn them into customers for their content.

And the broader the customer base, the lower the prices generally are. Hobbyists aren't going to spend a lot of money on a model or a texture. DAZ would have to be insane not to realize this. I think prices will be going more in the Sims direction, rather than in the Turbosquid direction.

I think you might have missed the point I was trying to make. All of those sites started small and grew large. And as I said, there is nothing stopping anyone from starting a new site. However, the issue at hand was that PoserPros was in danger of folding. There was only ONE solution that could happen very quickly to keep it alive: someone had to buy it, as is, from Mehndi Studios. They were the owners of the site .. the physical appearance, basic content, structure of the store, layout of the pages, and so on. Let's say instead that the existing staff wanted to keep it alive. THey very well could have, but they would have had to buy the rights from Mehndi Studios. The only other alternative is STILL an alternative to anyone who wants to do it ... and that is to create a new site. However, it won't BE PoserPros any more, because you would not be able to use Mehndi Studio's design and back end. You would have to develop and design your own, which takes time. Then, if the merchants were still interested after all that time, you'd have to gather them back together. THAT solution could take months. DAZ gave PoserPros a solution that was immediate, and which was the best solution possible to keep that community intact as it now stands. Give them a chance before you knock it down. It very well might work.

I did not miss the point, I am just suggesting that it could have been done, and still could be.
Things are a little easier these days, there is lots of software around and people in the community to make it work that was not so accessible then.
Yet, they did it.
More importantly there are many merchants who have the money, as a consequence of the commercialisation of poser, that can contribute as a group (as shareholders) into making such sites happen quickly and professionally.
What seems to be missing is the will to do this even though the doing of it seems to have become easier.
I think we have all become a little complacent in the face of commercial take-overs.

Actually, I did check into it at one point. I have HTML and CSS experience, but not anything that will help me through designing and maintaining a store. So I asked a friend for an estimate and he said even using existing software packages it would have run me about 5K just for him to get a store up and running. That was the first hurdle. The second hurdle was getting around the bandwidth issue. In order to provide enough bandwidth for several products, I would either have to pay a hosting company, or pay for the line and server hardware myself (another thing I'm not qualified to do). More expense that I didn't have. I simply didn't have the skills to do it myself ... and I didn't have the resources to pay someone else to do it for me. There are few who probably can. 8-(

How much do you think Daz paid for PP?
50k, 100k?
Take 20 top-selling merchants contributing 1k each as 5% shareholders and you have your start-up and intial running costs.
You could call it PoserElite.

Time to go to bed here.
'Night all

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I don't see the price of Poser stuff going up, no matter what happens at Poser Pros. I think Poser Pros Merchants (like me) are just going to have to eat the smaller cut, I know I don't currently charge less for Poser Pros items compared to stuff I sell at DAZ or even here, I price the items at a "competive" price, and put the couple extra bucks in my pocket. ;-) Poser items prices are driven by supply and demand, just like everything else, so unless the supply dries up...

How much do you think Daz paid for PP? STORM, that is what I was wondering! Somewhere >1K & less than 1000K. DAZ. Hm. They seem to be buying so much. What do they know that we don't? Sweet dreams, sleep tight.

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...I don't blame daz for venturing out of content a bit. As a business model content alone strikes me as a precarious perch since a relatively small group of talented and motivated artists with solid leadership and a small (even $1,000,000 is small as business goes) capitalization could shake things up at their expense relatively quickly. Whether any entrepreneurs will ever try is anybody's guess. On the other hand as somebody in a post on this forum pointed out a few weeks ago 'daz isn't exactly a 3d power house' when you look at the software side of things. Shrug. Who knows.

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As randym pointed out, there's no reason for prices to go up. The DAZ strategy is exactly the opposite. Maximise the number of customers by giving them free software and figures, resulting in an increased volume of sales. If DAZ were so desparate to squeeze every penny out of the poser community, they'd be charging for DS. And even at something nominal like $20 a shot, they'd make a considerable amount towards the development costs. What do you expect them to do? Sit on their asses and wonder why nobody comes to buy their stuff? If the poser community had sites like TurboSquid, we'd REALLY have something to bitch about. Those who talk about 'the free pioneering spirit' or whatever tend to forget that in the early days of this community the figures were crap and unrealistic, and prices were a lot higher. DAZ at least deserve some credit for raising the quality bar and lowering the prices. mac

DAZ|Studio is in beta, and they're getting a very large customer base to help with the testing. Who knows exactly how it will work when DAZ|Studio is released in its final stage? What modules will we need to buy in order to make it functional? DAZ's strategy has been to release the "base" version of various figures, knowing that we'll want to buy the addon packs to gain greater functionality. Again, they haven't done this for every major Poser figure. Sometimes, when they do this, it is for a limited time. Stephanie, the Mystery Model is a good example. There was a long gap between the initial release of DAZ|Studio and getting Mike 3 and Vicky 3 for free. I do like what DAZ has done for the community. I do appreciate their freebies. I have, however, decided not to touch DAZ|Studio until we see its final release. I just have much more to learn with Poser 5, and I also want to learn other software such as Shade.

"DAZ's strategy has been to release the "base" version of various figures, knowing that we'll want to buy the addon packs to gain greater functionality." Well, to get any functionality at all...

I think the base figures are quite usable. They've updated them so that the expression morphs are included. And there's free clothes, hair, and textures out there to use with them, so you're not stuck with a naked mannikin, even if you don't buy anything.

randym77, you're just too nice! ;o). I bet your glass is always half full: not a bad thing. Wish I could feel the same :o). Laurie

'DAZ|Studio is in beta, and they're getting a very large customer base to help with the testing. Who knows exactly how it will work when DAZ|Studio is released in its final stage? What modules will we need to buy in order to make it functional?' Who knows? I know. For functional, none at all. It's already highly functional. I've used every version since the first alpha, and call me biased, but I much prefer it to poser 4. I'm not making any wild claims for studio. For instance, it comes nowhere near the material room in poser 5. But if you check the current thread in the DS forum on displacement and mirror reflections, you'll see that it's gone way beyond P4 already. Making a cool mirror effect in studio is as easy as adding a basic texture in poser. Once the SDK is out and people start building modules, it'll depend on what your speciality is. But for general poser-type use, I don't see the need for any modules at all. Maybe if you need to import animations from lightwave or something weird like that. mac

No, I'm not too nice. I'm pretty curmudgeonly, actually. A "hey, who drank half my glass" type of person. ;-) And when DAZ deserves it, I let 'em have it. As my posting history shows, both here and at DAZ. But in this particular case, I don't think DAZ deserves criticism. I know they aren't giving away V3, M3, A3, and the Emotiguy out of the goodness of their hearts. But the figures they are giving away are quite usable. They didn't have to add the expression morphs to base models. Similarly, it's not like DAZ had anything to do with the fall of PoserPros. It's not a hostile takeover. Sometimes, what's good for DAZ is also what's good for the community. Not always, but sometimes.

Let's face it, many people use the "stock" Poser figures without morphing the bodies or faces at all. Now DAZ gives us Vicky 3 & Mike 3, with their facial morphs free! I believe part of DAZ's motivation for buying PoserPros is that they once considered a partnership, and that DAZ doesn't wish to see PoserPros die during its current crises. The more I think about it, the more feasible it seems to allow PoserPros to exist pretty much the way it has. However, there is a great need to "civilize" Poser Pros by cutting out the flamewars and public executions.