It's midnight here on the east coast, and the Poser 6 site is updated!! -hOss69

Link to page for new P6 figures: http://www.curiouslabs.com/go/poser6/content

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they look great :)

Cool! Hey, PBM, thanks for keeping my seat warm for me. 8-)

Anything for you Denise :) We east coast people have to stick together :)

Yes, I think both Jessie and James look great. Personally, I think the default Jessie looks very pretty, even before the many talented artists here start tweaking her morphs and textures.

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I think they both look awesome and have their own unique look. LaRoo from RDNA and AlphaMan from Sixus1 are included :)

Nice models! And nice eye sparkle. 8-) Quite a difference from Don and Judy, huh? I think they will do very well!

He has a nice strong face and she has interesting and delicate features. A big step up from Don and Judy to say in the least :) I wonder if they are compatible with DAZ mapping this time. I didn't see whether they were or not on the website.

interesting diffrence in mesh density :-|

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Hmmmm ... I wonder if James is the lo-res version showing, and Jessi is the hi-res version (there are both versions for each character).

AND there are five frame digits on the animation bar!! The content section appears pretty conprehensive and the ambient occlusion features look similar to GI. To me Jessi and James have a distinctive look that will be a nice contrast with used with Daz figures. I just hope it renders faster and I'm REALLY glad that I pre-ordered!

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I see what you mean since there's an obvious difference in polygons especially in the forehead. It really doesn't particularly bother me at this point :)

Attached Link: http://www.curiouslabs.com/article/articleview/1381/1/580?sbss=580

Anyone notice the wonderful support for content paradise?

squid, "five frame digits on the animation bar" -- what do you mean? I can't read the text on the images very well, but I'd love to hear about any improvements in this area.

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The male character looks ten times better than Michael 3. And, speaking of which, are these new characters going to be replacing V3 & M3? with this new release?

Attached Link: http://www.curiouslabs.com/article/articleview/1382/1/580?sbss=580

Hmmm ... here's a couple from the little "additional new features" page that are VERY cool ... - Save all of the materials on a figure or prop as an easy-to-access Material Collection - External Morph Targets reduce file sizes making opening files faster

Attached Link: http://www.curiouslabs.com/go/poser6/animation

In another thread, I think operaguy was frustrated that the P5 animation bar only goes to 999. The animation bar (above the movies) *appear* to go to 99999 Strange. Clicking the animation bar link reveals only three digits. Now I'm confused. Apologies.

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Birddie ... V3 and M3 are by DAZ, and will still be available separately there. The characters you see here come with Poser 6.

Interesting with CP :) I hope it works out.

"External Morph Targets reduce file sizes making opening files faster" It means that you don't need Injection channels present in the CR2 :) --Rebekah--

WAYYYYYYYY COOOOOLLLL! LOLOL

BTW, congrats, Rebekah, nice going!

Birddie, he does look better out of the box than M3. I hope he has a lot of clothes to start off with :)

same god damn animals though.

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I noticed that the animals seem to be the same old P4 stuff. Would have been nice to have a new set of animals to go with the new app.

Rebekah, does that mean the unimesh figures will still work ok in P6? BTW, tell Les congrats on all the great work on Alpha Man and Beta Boy :)

I think the struggle was to compete with the unimesh market. So CL really brought in some big guns to provide Alpha Man, LaRoo, the P6 family, etc. The human end was what they were probably expecting to help sell the program. The animals are a tough market as there's a lot of diversity in what people actually want in them...

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kuro call CL's I am sure they will hook you up.

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Free content available for you to download and use in your artwork, and bonus content for registered Poser 6 users. Whoot Whoot!!!

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Zygote????? Is a CP partner?????????

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One rumor squashed! LOL

odeathoflife, it's a long distance call. I hope the call doesn't cost more than the upgrade! >;0)

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• Set crease angles for groups to create anything from smooth edges to creased edges on any type of figure or prop

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Ooooh, I like that one! 8-)

wow still weeding through stuff....but yeah definitely different meshes, but James doesn't look low res...I'd like to see the Low res stuff up there since it's always useful.

what does that mean, odeathoflife?

If I'm interpreting that correctly, it means you can make pants look like they have that nice freshly ironed crease, or the pleats on a skirt won't be softened.

"Enhanced Python scripting interface now gives you full control over Poser" Full control, eh? The mind spins with possibilities -- we'll have to wait and see how comprehensive 'full control' really is. Still, it's great that CL didn't just ignore python updates for P6.

I'm still wondering if the figures are compatible with DAZ textures like Don and Judy were...

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Squid69, in one place it still shows three digits, but on the above graphic, you see five. I think I pulled a muscle when I saw it!

I detect no other changes in animation, so far. Probably no change in hair or cloth room. I don't care! They chose to implement only certain key changes and not go WAY over-ambitious. If they do this once every 12-18 months, that is a healthy attitude toware continuous, paced improvmement. Congratulations Curious Labs!

Here is my first guess about rendering. It is Firefly. They are committed to fire fly. Unless they have enabled the engine to take advantage of RAM more efficiently, I would guess there will be NO INTRINSIC improvement in render speed.

BUT (a BIG but!) there are some new tools in the firefly window. You can render shadows separately (shadow catcher). You have ambient occlusion and image-based lighting and point lights, which may very well reduce the need for "29-light dome arrays" and huge, heavy shadow map sizes, etc. And this little tidbit:

• Reuse loaded textures and shadow maps for faster rendering time

THAT COULD BE HUGE. If it means what it seems to mean, successive frames of animation would NOT have to render shadow map if somehow the program can be signalled that 'nothing has changed' on many shadows.

What I am saying is this: Firefly intrinsic render power, perhaps not changed. But new lighting and render features could help us LEARN to setup renders efficiently, leading to substantial improvement on render time.

I am very elated over this release, based on the little we can see so far. Very pleasantly suprised.

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Creasing sounds almost like a form of weighted NURBS (where you can control the smoothness of the base mesh with the NURBS cage). e-Frontier is investing well it seems.

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that is what I am assuming too Kuro, also I may no longer have to split verts on architecture for poser any more, I can add a group and set it to not balloon it :)

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If James and Jessi can take V3/M3 textures and/or clothing....and if they render way faster than V&M.....The purpose of the unimesh models would be?????? There is still PLENTY to discover, like what are the high/low poly counts, and just how good are the morph sets anyway. I agree the defaults for J&J are just dandy, let's see how they bend/pose/move/morph. ::::: Opera :::::

I think the creasing is a counter for the effects of rounding. So you can set an indedpendent crease in a mesh to prevent a sharp corner from being a rounded one. Improving the programs' usefulness for handling mechanical meshes.

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Yeah, but it sounds like it might go the other way as well ... for example purposely putting folds or creases in something. Sounds like it will be great fun to experiment with. Ooooh, even wrinkles in faces, I would think?

Did anyone notice they goofed on the descriptions of James and Jessie? You might think they have no adult female figure: "James, all-new male figure available in high-res and low-res versions Jessi, all-new male figure available in high-res and low-res versions"

kuroyume0161 and odeathoflife Creasing control...does this mean that a prop such as a table, which if fairly 'primitively' modeled with no bevels or detail at the edge, could be affected by Firefly during render to have a softly rounded edge (therefore WAY more realistic)? :::: Opera :::::

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Birddie ... V3 and M3 are by DAZ, and will still be available separately there. The characters you see here come with Poser 6. ok cool. I'm just hoping they will function with P6. :)

Seems they will (According to post #33 above)!

"Creasing control..." sounds like the smoothing option other apps have,possibly means you wont have to split vertices to avoid over smoothing?..a wild guess,lol..but we live in hope ;)(makes diplacement mapping alot easier for props) "- Save all of the materials on a figure or prop as an easy-to-access Material Collection" very handy :) any ideas when people will be getting it & posting results?

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Jessi and James... Right. Does this mean that the P6 Boy will be Cole? (Sits waiting for CL website to open...)

Here's the front part of the flyer from the GDC convention. Uh, the back has lots of words. :-P

Does this mean that the P6 Boy will be Cole? The boy is Ben, the girl is Kate. * waits to see who catches it first *

I must say CL has done a good job with Poser 6. The Wires of the figures are very interesting! They look very well modeled. I'm not very interesed in the new Renderer but the new figures and the new content are looking very promising. When does shipping starts again? Can't wait! ;) Greets Chris

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Do they state clearly that the Face Room works with the new figures? The image and text is the same for Poser 5 for that feature... the new characters look very good, it would be a shame if the Face Room could not be used with them. Anyway this look to be a good upgrade and I'm happy I preordered it at the special Early Adopter price :)

One would think that they've made it possible to use both the existing Poser 5 figures in the FaceRoom as well as the new figures. It is hoped anyway!

I may give CL a call tomorrow to see what the situation is. If they need records (emails, scanned receipts, etc.), these can be provided. Just hoping that it is not two hours on the phone - I am a very busy person who programs/develops between 12-18/7.

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It is me or Jessi look like Ally McBeal?

A cross between Ally McBeal and Uma Thurman? :)

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Cant't wait to see Texture Templates of Jessie James ...Ah...Jessie and James.

Jessie James? Odd to have names that sound the same. I can see the mixup now. hehe. ;)

Hum (shy). I don't post a lot on the forum, I watch it but I usually don't post, I'm pretty shy :) But, if, if Poser 6 finally supports smoothing groups (creasing) then it's probably the best possible news for modelers (this with better shadows :))

The truth is Jessy looks more high resolution then James... So I don't think they can use the same morphs like Don-Judy... I believe that if people welcome those figures as it looks the textures won't be a problem. As for clothes the P5 people came with a quite big wardrobe so the P6 would have their own too,I believe... It's nice for all people to have a good base of content by default...It's a pity that many underestimate what they already... I was happy with P5 (after I upgrade my PC) and I'm sure I'll like P6 too...(although I'll wait quite a long before I get it...) pitklad

I almost ripped my Hair off with P5 because of its Bugs.I swore no P6 ... NEVER !!! Well it seems Dear Jessie made me week.Please,CL no disappointments this Time.

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Man, everything does look great :D I just don't understand why the tenacity of holding onto Content Paradise. :/ It would have been better IMHO to just have a separate module/program - I gather it uses Internet Explorer (for windows anyways) as the underlying engine but here's where the problems start. Plus, the whole browser in a program idea I think is really dated and doesn't always execute well. Some of us would rather communicate with our browser or browser of choice. Personally, I know where RDNA, Sixus1, Cubed and those sites are. I think I know where Renderosity is - I'll have to double-check. ;)

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Hmm... It looks like a couple more tools on the tool bar icon thingy (there's a finger for morphing). Not having to do so much stitching of sequences will please the animators. 4 rendering engines ought to provide enough flexibility. What amuses me is the possibilities for people who like to play. This tidbit under lighting: "Set specular & diffuse controls for individual lights. For example, use a diffuse only negative light to darken a specific area of any 3D scene." A negative light? :blink: Can you see drow or evil demigods bringing their own shadows with them? Or a tax collector darkening the doorstep? Or a cursed castle? Or adding a raincloud to a scene with diffuse darkness under it? Yes, I can tweak in PhotoShop, but doing it in 3d inside the renderer where I can still move the camera is so much better! I'm looking forward to using point lights... not needing 6 lights per candle or will-o-the-wisp means that I can put more into a scene. (As much as I like Anton's "Candleworks", that is a LOT of lights.) I really wish that there were new animals, but maybe with Cubed being a part of Content Paradise, we can nudge a bit harder to get them. Since most people render images with people in them, I'll have to accept that focus on providing new humans (and they look really great, especially James). And if the new figures have some accessories (like clothes and hair), it will be a lot better than buying a nude figure, and also HAVING to buy 3 morph packs so she can speak, separate skin texture, and a new wardrobe and wig. Including a complete figure is good value. Having 4 of them is great value. Having the extra figures from RDNA and Sixus1 just makes it sweeter... the difference is a scoop of vanilla ice cream or a banana sundae with sprinkles, syrup, and cherries. :) I also wish that the skeletons were for the new figures... using that subsurface scattering for a translucent figure with a skeleton inside? Besides victims of evil scientists getting hit by a lightning bolt or obscure radiation, there are charming evryday uses such as a hand cupping a candleflame. Not perfect. It won't please everybody. There will be hairballs on the carpet. But I expect that for the next year, the experts here will be pulling tidbits out and saying "gee, look at this!" and our eyestalks will swivel as we take a closer look. Little lightbulbs will go on, and someone will giggle hysterically as they go running off to build a scene with the new feature. Hmm... that new depth/atmosphere control ought to make underwater scenes easier to assemble... and not just for mermaids, what about under the ice of Europa? So many ideas, so little time.... Carolly

The purpose of CP isn't, and never has been, to replace the current sites. Ultimately, it's there to make things easier for folks. The idea is sound, the execution is what bit. Looking closer at some other elements in P5, though, I'm fairly certain "turning it off" will be possible again, though not quite as easily, and for a reason that may bug some folks. My personal observations on the structure of P5 is that it is sorta halfway done in a lot of ways. I think that the parts I see that are "halfway" done are now very much all the way done. Which means that the display system has been shifted pretty much into an xml system fully -- that's the new window structurte. XML means some sort of browser, no matter how you look at it. In this case, the application itself. SInce it is designed for two latforms, it is possible they basically shifted the interface into a built in parser, or, in short, they made their own browser, and CP is intended to use that directly or via a bridge of some sort into the underlying browser in use by the OS. That said, though, there's no question the main thrust of CP is towards the newer users or business users, who want a simple conduit directly to the content without the vagaries of forums and other stuff. They don't care about that stuff -- they just want to be able to find things, lol. (in short: I think CP is now more integrated, and while it annoys us, it might not annoy the newer users)

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The purpose of CP isn't, and never has been, to replace the current sites. Never said it was ;) I see it as a direct channel to featured sites. That's great. But so is a just creating a web shortcut and clicking on it and letting your prefered browser pick up the URL. I may be missing the point of a "web browser". A good site design can feature a cohesively built marketplace and search facility if that's needed. Again, I may be missing the point of "web site". No bash here and I'm looking forward to this program but I think Paradise will be a flop the second time around. Like giving mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to a dead person. :D But just my opinion, I'm sure it will be fabulous.

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fabulous? Well, not sure it'd be fabulous. Just there. lol I mean, come on -- it's a tool. No sense getting all worked up over something like this when we could all die tomorrow, y'know? lol

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odeathoflife, I also noticed that Zygote is mentioned as a partner. It makes me wonder if they had a had a hand in designing the new P6 meshes. Surely their name wouldn't be mentioned so prominently if it was just in reference to Dork and Posette;) Besides, the Jessie and James meshes appear so different from the other figure meshes in the past in the way they appear to be modeled. I wonder if e-frontier coughed up the $$$ to have Zygote design the new models? If you look at the Zygote site, it seems as though the medical field wasn't lucrative enough for them, so they've started branching back out into other things, again;) In all honesty, Dork and Posette were very good and useful at the time Poser 4 was released and with what Poser was capable of then. How would anyone know at the time how long it would be until Poser 5 was released, and how all of us would learn to get the most out of Poser 4 in the meantime;) Just my theory. I'll be very interested to see how things turn out. If I'm wrong, then that should be a compliment to whomever the artist(s) are who modeled the P6 meshes, they look very, very professional! -hOss69

"Surely their name wouldn't be mentioned so prominently if it was just in reference to Dork and Posette;)" Well, note that the Zygote today is the part of Viewpoint that survived -- and that Viewpoint is what Metacreations became. So there's a bit more than just a reference to content, period, going on ;) Hell, I'm just glad they added a point light. Everything else is gravy for me, lol

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Mmmmm.....grraavvy....;)

smiles I think you missed my tone, I'm not worked-up over anything. Just dropping a comment or two while I take a break from work. ;)

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Looks good. There are a lot more new features than I had originally expected. I think it's great, but I suspect there will be a bit of a learning curve. We're only now learning to fully use P5 features like the hair room and material room. I hope it doesn't take as long to figure out the P6 features! And it looks like being a merchant is going to become even more complicated, with P4, PP, P5, P6, and D|S to support.

I, too, noticed the difference in mesh density between Jessi and James. I hope it is just the high-res vs. the low-res version. Even without the mesh, James' face looks noticeably "low-res" to me.

They do look quite different from the Mil people - notably, their very deep eyes and low brows. It's a different look, but very Caucasian-looking. Makes me wonder how well they will do non-Caucasian characters.

I do like what I see of the kids. Looks like they fill the age gap between the Young Teens and the Pre-Schoolers. (But no new baby? Or are we supposed to buy the Cubed ones?)

Interesting that LaRoo is included. Perhaps all the content they are showing in their promos is included, which would mean Koz's hair is, too.

I, too, am disappointed that there are no new animals. The P4 animals are hopelessly outdated. They could've at least gotten Lyne to do new textures for them or something.

Now I can hardly wait to get my hands on P6. I wonder if there's any chance they'll ship earlier than Mar. 21?

Well it seems like Curious Labs is finally launching a serious attack on DAZ's empire.... If these new figures are as good as they do look and if they can finally get the Content Paradise running as it's supposed to, DAZ has some very serious competition.... and I've got a reason not to shop at DAZ anymore. These new characters look so much better then M3, V3 and the lot of them do.

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Does anyone have a polycount for the new figures? n3ko, any chance you can post a larger scan of that flyer?

CL should publish, on their website, instructions for removing Content Paradise if the end user (i.e., payor) does not want it there using up ram. Seriously, I think that would be great customer service publicity.

What to say ????? YEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW !!!!! I love the new box.

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hauksdottir , where did you see point lights? that's basically one of the things i was wanting in P6

I want to see how the cloth and hair room operate now, myself. Be nice if MS created 'service releases' this nice... We got our bigger frame counter, Opera...! :D No network rendering, darn it. Oh well, I'll just have to stick to Infinite for that. I wonder how 'complete' the exposure is in Python... If it is complete, and Vue Infinite has a similar integration, we may finally have a chance at things like lighting converters/trackers, windforce interaction between the two appswho knows what else...

Anybody notice the zoom tool right on the toolbar? very nice. Jessi's a babe; I just put in my pre-order, particularly because I want to play with Shade LE.

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Speakign of Python will it be fully functional on Macs this time?

Hmm... there are quite a few nice sentences to mull over from the announcements. "Dark lights", it looks like characters can be possibly cloned instead of loaded again, but possibly share resources, but have different material changes, and some sort of "mimic lite", tying phonemes and expressions to sound files? Some new morph management system, saving an entire character's material files, a more robust python.. lus of course the new main characters. I could pass on alphaman, but that Bot sidekick pal looks pretty dang cool! And I'm sure we'll see some exclusive free Sixus characters tied into the new content paradise, since they are a partner now. Now If I could only hear back from CL and/or Katherine, I'd be even more excited!

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

I got here Late Who the??? What the?? Why the??

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Ok, I caved.. there's pleanty of new features there to satisfy me, so I preordered. I was going to look at and maybe tinker with the shade freebie, but when I'm, lookinfg at the download page, it says a valid serial number is required. Do they email that to you with an order confirmation?

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

Ah, answered my own question.. the shade le thing comes in the box.. I "hard" ordered it. It means I'll probably have it a week after dl purchasers will have it, but I want the "physical" stuff. BTW doesn't the bl render book come in the preorder se set?

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

I'm not sure ... I ordered the shippable version. But if I'm not mistaken, I think those who ordered the downloadable version say they did get one.

Ooops! Crosspost! LOL

Attached Link: http://www.curiouslabs.com/article/articleview/1382/1/580?sbss=580

There are tabs on the right, and the bottom one is "features". The last item is "more features". Click on the icon and you get to a page with a list:

Lighting

• New Point Lights
• New Revolve control for lights
• Set specular & diffuse controls for individual lights. For example, use a diffuse only negative light to darken a specific area of any 3D scene.

That page has some of the other things we are commenting on, such as this one:

• Depth of Field is enhanced, with new camera controls to achieve the effect of a real camera lens.

Now I am a real photographer. My trusty Minolta SRT101 died after 23 years of hard service and I replaced it with a Nikon F2. I need a camera which will survive a war if it is going to go into the wilderness with me. Hard granite and soft desert talcum powder sands are both destructive. I also have a little digital (my gallery pictures are being taken with it), but it doesn't have any of the controls I'm used to: like being able to manipulate exactly is in focus and how much light is entering and the fun stuff like turning water to milk and the sky purple. So if the rendering controls allow me to shoot a scene with some expectation that the analogy between them is more than a name, I'll be a happy camper.

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I'd just like some simple "real world" camera settings. SDomething simple, like loading "fish eye", or "rack focus". or "Telephoto" settings. Yeah give me the ability to tweak what's there, but make it simple for people who stopped using 35 mm 20 years ago. BTW, over 4000 digital cam pics here already. (Over 1200 the first year!) Thank god I can do yearly archives on a burned DVD now.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

Ummm...looks like the end of V3 and M3 is near. I can see a whole new wave of characters, outfits, hair styles, poses in the crystal ball. Wait....I see something with wings, angel pics. I can not wait for my P6 box I paid for( ordered). :-) Tony

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Ummm...looks like the end of V3 and M3 is near.

I doubt that. People are too invested in those characters.

Besides, DAZ is giving them away free now, along with D|S. Not surprisingly, a lot of newbies are D|S users. Not sure they'll ever switch to Poser. Unless they want dynamic cloth and hair.

Right, I think the DAZ figures will always have a good following. The P6 figures add some long-needed good variety to the mix, though!

Yeah, the Mill figures aren't leaving anytime soon. These give us more diversity, and will be a nice "flavor of the month" for a while. Till the next BIG THING. I'm more interested in playing with at Sixus's sidekick guy though, then any of the other content.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

"Ummm...looks like the end of V3 and M3 is near." I'd love to agree, but I doubt it too. BUT, it finally seems like we've got an excellent and welcome alternative for them!

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thanks so much found it, now that's cool, i never really cared about opengl that much, but always thought poser lights needed work and more options

Carolly, I am happy also about emulation of real camera controls, per what is reasonable possible given the metaphor. Its a vote of confidence for the "deep tool making" philosophy. Even if/when 'the movies' go digital, the underlying physics and technique of capturing the light of the world and shaping it on a media pioneered 150 years ago remains relevant. With all due respect gareee I think and hope they are headed in the opposite direction of your wishlist...less CAM/Instamatic and more SLR/Panaflex. IMO this trend toward respect for the principles of photography -- old school photography -- deserves a feeling of thanks and appreciation to Curious Labs. Thanks for treating us like grownups! ::::: Opera :::::

I don't understand why some people always want to make things into some kind of Jihad. IE: "This will KILL Daz". Diversity is good folks. The more models we have the more variety we can have in our characters. and I cincerely hope the quality of these new default characters, spurs Daz to innovate further. I'm really pleased with all of the improvements, they really seem to be putting them where they count. That's pretty atypical for any 3d software release! I'm excited that Laroo is in there. I've always kinda coveted her from afar, but couldn't justify getting her. But for God's sake they could have at least redone that mutant cat :p

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hmmmm... looks interesting and impressive. I do have a few questions concerning the new content. 1) Are there any nude full body shots available? I like the look of James' face, but I haven't seen his body. Or Jesse's for that matter. 2) How are the new figures mapped? Don and Judy were pretty much mapped like M2 and V2. Is there new mapping for these figures? Do they use the same textures as Don and Judy or something different? 3) What morphs are available for the new figures? Do they have a complete morph package for them available? 4) Is there any existing figure that they can share clothing with, or will they need new custom clothing? 5) What clothing and textures come with the new figures? 6) Can the new figures be used in P4 and P5, including the new morphing technology? 7) Is the new morphing technology really new, or like the method Dodger uses with the Aeon figures (a different method of injection where channels are loaded as part of a readscript). 8) Do the new figures use a genital switch like the M2/the Dork/Don, or do they have seperate conforming genitalia? 9) Is there any other new content in the way of animals? If so, what? Are these the same animals that we've had since P4? And a couple of questions on cloth and hair: 1) Does collision detection work on strands in the hair room now, fixing the P5 hair room problem? 2) Can negative values be used in both/either the hair and cloth rooms to give a floating up effect when draping?

Operaguy, the only reason I mentioned that, was that most people know what a "fish eye lens" effect is. I don't even have a clue what you would call it in other systems... it's just a popular term, like a rack focus shot. Any system which has some presets that I can easily understand without getting out a calculator is good, IMHO. And pdxjims (BTW, how the heck didja get that nick???) I might do morphs for the new characters, but wanna play with them first, to see what's there. And I also would like to know answers to many of your questions.. we'll have to revisit this list, once P6 is in our hands. Our hands.. I'm part of the maddening crowd now. I'm hip, I'm cool, uh, yeah.... right! ;)

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

Don't know about the rest, but collision detection does work in the Hair Room. You just have to keep the hair and the figure low-res enough for your machine to handle the calculations. And you can use negative values to make the hair float. You can get some nice underwater effects that way.

actually, garee, the more they "deep tool" the camera features, the easier it is to lay 'user-friendly' presets in place ON TOP OF the 'true-camera' settings as "saved sets." Could be in the form of a 'Pose' for the camera. ::::: Opera :::::

Gareee, PDX = Portland International Airport's call letters (I'm in Portland, Oregon) Jim = My name s = My hand slipped when I was on a BBS before the internet achieved it's wide availability, and I've stuck with the name every since. Maybe I should change it to MegaSponge or HyperNoodle... nah. But now you see why I never tried a different one. randym77: I meant collision self detection in the hair room. Whenever I try to use it, I get a wild mop of hair. Good point on the hair and negative values, that really applied to the cloth room, not the hair room.

The problem is that Hair Collision is randomly ignored ,even in the latest Service Release.

Ah, Jim, thanks. I always wonder where some of the unusual handles and nicks come from.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

The problem is that Hair Collision is randomly ignored ,even in the latest Service Release.

I'm not sure that is fixable. It's a resource issue, I'm pretty sure. If you use really low-res hair, and a really low-res collision object, collision works perfectly. High res, and it works imperfectly or not at all. V3 is way too high res to work well, and probably even Judy is, depending on your machine. I suspect we won't get really good, high-res dynamic hair until there's a big improvement in hardware. Or maybe network rendering.

Couldn't you attach lowrez invisible objects like a ball, and cube in the places most likely to be intersected, and have THEM be colided with? That would probably work well enough.

Berserga: Yes, that is the way to get around the resource limit. See this thread
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I wonder if this explains anything:

I think it's more likely that Zygote was mentioned because the older content (humans and animals for P4 and earlier versions) was made by Zygote.

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Oooh, that part I didn't notice! ROFL

I noticed a coupla mentions up there ^ 'bout the "new" morfing tool & view magnifier tool...they both in P5 already. I'm also curious 'bout whether J&J can wear other figure's textures, but if not, NBD...I'm sure someone in the community will sit down w/ UV mapper & solve that probbem. After all, I have a V3 that wears Posey's skins, a MayaDoll that wears Vicky's skins...it'll come 8-) I'm also disappointed w/ the critters; even if they added a few new ones to the old zoo would be a improvement. Mebbe a rat, a moose, dare I dream of a dragon? & before ya ask Garee; Free(style)Bass(player) 8-)

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Ooh, I'd love a rat. I have plenty of dragons, and I don't think I need a moose. But a realistic mouse or rat - now that would come in handy. The House Mouse is too toony-looking, and the DAZ Rat is shaped nicely but its joints are horrible. I want a nice, realistic rodent that can be posed in typical rodenty poses!

Nice mouse here Randym;
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I got lotsa dragons too, but I was tinkin' fer the benefit of new users....& one can never have too many dragons ;-) (The moose was just a "fer example"...I'm prob'ly th'only one who duz want one ;-)

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Do you think Jesse looks a bit like Kirsty Alley?

Interesting...Brandenberg is at Zygote now. He was an exec for a while over at DAZ...

Do you think Jesse looks a bit like Kirsty Alley? I don't think Kirstie was ever that skinny. Not even in her Saavik days.

"Do you think Jesse looks a bit like Kirsty Alley?" presently or years ago she is "pretty" gigantic now

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west coast scope: friends of mine, very reliable, saw and talked to Ms. Alley at the Pasadena Rose Bowl Swap Meet (they are vendors) recently, and she is WAY WAY thinner. The 'fat' episodes are in the can [pun intended] and she is probably making 'I DID IT' episodes now, and I bet earning performance bonus on her contract with Jenny Craig. ::::: Opera :::::

Kirstie Alley shops at swat meets???

oh yes. First, you have to understand the swap meet 'ethos' here in Southern California...it's not junk. It supports an army of 'antique and collectable' dealers and their families. And the 'swap meet' cycle is tied to the 'garage sale' cycle. The competition by this army of swapers between 5:00 AM and 6:00 AM on a given Saturday morning at garage sales is fierce, brutal, swift and intense. There are four important thriving meets, Rose Bowl, Pasadena CC, Santa Monica and Long Beach. You can 'swap' every Sunday! And Hollywood comes out, everyone from prop people, wardrobe people to actors. Often seen: Diane Keaton, Katey Sagal (Married with Children). lol we are way OT but what else is there to do until Jessie and James arrive? ::::: Opera :::::

Start organizing your libraries! 8-D

Yeah, the figures will still work and the Injection channels will still work on packages that use them Fabulous. Excellent. Superb. Wonderful. ......and any other superlatives that one cares to mention. I'm glad that one's cleared up. *********************************************************** Mix 'n match.......M3 with Jessi........James with V3........SP with James.......... So many possibilities. Looking forward to it.

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I STILL don't know.... does P6 show transparency properly in Preview mode? Or hair, for instance. Like DAZ Studio does? Or is it still the cloud of dots? Pity about the CL renders of the P6 figures. Really bad. They may have potential, but the renders are so lousy it worries me. No decent lighting, nothing. When I see something like this I always go - Okay, if this was good enough to publish, how good is the inside of the product? :] Fish

"I doubt that. People are too invested in those characters.

Besides, DAZ is giving them away free now, along with D|S. Not surprisingly, a lot of newbies are D|S users. Not sure they'll ever switch to Poser. Unless they want dynamic cloth and hair."

Well, I feel V3 is exhausted. Even in the MP. I have purchased more than 15 V3 characters in the MP. I will still use V3, but doesn't mean I will keep on purchasing other V3 Characters. Unless something better than Hpyerreal texture. Need more cloths and hair.

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so who are ken and katie?

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Ben and Kate? The Poser 6 kids ... they are shown on this page ...

oh yea...Ben :) But who are they really? Like Jessi James there must be a hook here

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Here's the shot of James from the start of the poser page. The body reminds me a lot of Don's, but the face is very well done :)

I think the faces on both of them are very well done. 8-) Even the kids are very good!

The images of the kids that I saw were really small but I thought they looked really good as well. I thought they still kind of resembled the P5 kids, but not too much. I still haven't figured out how they were named yet...

Yep... if Jessi + James = wild west character, the kids could have been named Wyatt and Earp! :ducks and runs: Carolly

... (thinks about growing up as a girl named Earp) ... Nah! ROFL

Ok, maybe the baby is to be named Earp! I have to confess that I don't get the Ben and Kate "hook", either.

The only thing I could figure out vis-a-vie Ben & Kate is Pearl Harbor, with Ben Affleck and Kate Winslet. p.s: ooh, new trick to try: if you're afraid that your post is about to get eaten, copy the text, refresh the page, and then submit. It seems as though the longer the page has been open, the more likely it is to eat your post.

no, Kate Winslet went down on the Titanic, so due to "sea fear" she was not available when they cast "Pearl Harbor". Kate Beckinsale instead. ...baby should be named "Earp" that's funny! Depending on if the ExitGas morph dial is set to 1 or -1, determines which way it "earps" ::::: Opera :::::

EXITGAS MORPH DIALS????!!!! Operaguy ,You've almost killed me.Laughing and Drinking Coffee at the same Time is no good Idea.That's what I have learned now.

Who will Burp Earp?

:)

Does P6 have a Face room like P5 and if so will it work with new characters?

Does P6 have a Face room like P5 Yes, its in the text and in the screen picts. >and if so will it work with new characters? i dont see how they could get away with the new characters not working in the face room.

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The text on CL site says: Poser's Face Room allows you to create lifelike results by mapping any face onto a 3D head... It does not state clearly that it works on the ne characters and the images ar the old ones for Poser 5 package. I too think that feature would be worthless if itdidn't work with the new figures... we will see. The Material Room has been updated, so there is hope for the Face Room too. I just hate to have to wait till the 21 march to find out...

I'm concerned about the Face Room size limitation P5 had. Can P6 do a 3000 to 4000 image for commerical printing or hi-rez face textures?

What about morphing? DAZ has that injection Pose stuff that seems to beat the heck out of the limited morph dials that Don & Judy has for creating new characters. Will P6 character have more capability.......Than P5 I feel like a kid waiting for a Christmas toy!!!

can't wait for P6 personally... all this new stuff...

dtrdon, There has been as yet no official word on the morph sets for the P6 characters. We have not even seen the wireframe of the body mesh yet. Will there be extensive morphs? I would bet on it. By the way, you can get a spectacular set of morphs for Judy by purchasing a package ($12.50)called "Eternal Judy" in the MP here, by 3Dream. It gives the model 746 morph targets, and my opinion is that Judy+EJ beats V3+V3Morphs(more than $12.50) in all categores. And that includes the 'bustline' category. ::::: Opera :::::

Thing with the cyber world - there are always new possibilities and endless ones... after V3 and M3.... Jessie and James.... but the same characters and textures selling for V3 and M3 will be used on J & J... no loss there no? and i cant wait for La Roo - always wanted her.... the possibilities!!

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the same characters and textures selling for V3 and M3 will be used on J & J Actually, I don't think we know that yet. I haven't seen any mention of texture compatibility yet. And I really doubt that morphs will be compatible as the geometry has to be the same for that.

true... forgot about the morphs.. do apologise

No need to apologize, LOL. I just thought you might get a lot of people asking "Where did you see that!" So I thought I would stop the stampede before it started. ;-)

IMO, Judy's body looks better thanmost of the other figures. I almost bought EJ more than once...maybe I should...but with the new figures coming over the last hill, perhaps I should save my cash and see what they bring

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Two thing that seem promising me to me are the edge smoothing and the seperation of diffuse and specular in the lighting. If I'm not mistaken the smoothing is based on an angle, like the way UVMapper Pro uses an angle to split welded vertices and allow hard edges. This feature will let you pick the angle (usually less than 45 degrees)that the smoothing oocurs. Less than the number and the edge is smooth, greater and it is creased. The neat thing about the lights is now I can finally do the neo-tokyo renders I've always wanted where there are dozens of specular highlights without having to worry about washed-out diffuse lighting. Throw in the point lights, and P6 is going to be the bestest!

Got an email from CL today... Download Preorders Electronic download orders are scheduled to begin processing at approximately 9AM PST on March 21, 2005. Customers should begin receiving confirmation emails with their Poser 6 download details as the orders are processed, but it will take some time to process all the preorders, so please be patient if you do not receive an email right away. We expect all download preorders to be processed within 24-48 hours. Physical shipments will leave first thing on the 21st apparently but i didnt read that part since i preordered the download..

Got it too.... don't forget the note, it's an important one. Note: We have secured additional bandwidth to accommodate the anticipated volume of downloads in our Web Stores during the first few days after release. However, please be patient if you experience difficulty with your download, and try again during off-peak hours before contacting customer service.

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Grasshoppers may be patient, but I expect this crowd to be spending their work time Monday clicking on the site every 15 minutes.

Hmm.. I wonder if I can save shipping by camping in their parking lot?

(just kidding)*

Carolly *It is supposed to rain Monday, so camping would be less than ideal.

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Can you imagine the number of peeps that might take the day off, wiating to install and play with poser 6?

Yes I can.... I've taken the whole next week off! If it's good, perhaps I'll take the rest of the month off too.

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just got an email update from CL...looks like it will be into the 1st week of April to get the physical shipment: Release Date Poser 6 Special Edition is scheduled to begin shipping on March 21, 2005 to our Digital River fulfillment centers. Physical Preorders Physical product should arrive in our Digital River warehouses in the US and the UK within five to seven business days. Orders for physical product will start being processed at that time, and all orders should ship within one to two business days. The timing for receipt of individual orders will then be based on the delivery method chosen when preordered.

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Yes, the people who picked the download option will get it at least a week earlier than the rest of us. Sigh. But I'm hoping it will arrive sooner than April. I have some vacation time to kill before April 1. :-)

April? I'll waterproof my tent.

Hmmm...I don't understand why they couldn't have prepared for the boxed sets to be received on the same day that the downloads go up...

What do you mean by 'received'? How many days do you think they can guarantee for shipments to arrive? Will they all arrive exactly 3 days, 2 hours, 7 minutes after shipment (all shipped from the around the world simultaneously)?

There is no possible way to coordinate shipment arrivals with the instantaneous world-wide availability of the download version.

ETA: And what an uproar will be heard if people's credit cards are charged on the 21st but they are made to wait three, five, or seven days before being able to download. The launch date is the launch date - if shipment were instantaneous, this would be a moot point...

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I'm still hoping that they'll send the boxed version out sooner than they anticipate. Companies often give themselves a wider margin than they actually need, because there are strict federal laws governing the mail order business.

Well, unless they're shipping tomorrow... :)

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No, I don't expect them to ship tomorrow. But they're shipping to DR first, which according to their estimate will take 5-7 days. DR will then ship it to us. I'm hoping it won't really take a week or more to get the product to DR. Usually shipping estimates are padded a bit. More than once, I've had the package arrive before the notice telling me it hadn't been shipped yet.

Well, true... they could hold the downloads up until DR says that they have all the boxes packed, individually labeled, and sitting in the loading-dock with trucks lined up at the gates reving their motors. They could, but it would be mean. Why make the downloaders wait an extra week or two if the data is ready? They get it first. People who get hardcopies get something solid with manual that they can put stickie-notes all over, folded quick-start cards, flyers with special offers, clean CDs... whatever they tuck inside the box... and a box to keep it all together. I've had computers die on me often enough that having the real CDs is far preferable to a download. Carolly

I must confess that I NEVER-EVER put stickie-notes all over my manuals!!! Only on the several hundred areas of interest! Harumph! ;0)

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That's what CD/DVD-writers are for? I methodically, almost maniacally, collect updates, downloads, data and write archive DVDs when necessary. Still, the hardcopy is a good selling point and also has the advantage of verifiability.

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This WIN98 box takes almost 2 hours to record a regular data CD with about 650MB. It is very pokey. Until a month ago I didn't have a machine which could record a DVD. The stuff I download, especially purchased items, get recorded... but I'd still rather have hard copies of the programs. :chuckle: And you are right about where the stickie-notes go. I'll even label the bits sticking out. Carolly

Hard copy manuals are a crap shoot. Too often the manuals are not really helpful. However, when they are it's better to let someone else do the printing. It's too confusing to read manuals on-screen, and switch back and forth from work screen to manual screen. The boxes get thrown out so there is room for humans to move around.

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