Anna Adult 2005 L3 Stand Alone Deformer Kit By wyrmmaster What is going on here!!! I thought we had a TOS for products, I thought some time ago things were worked out what was and was not acceptable. This surely cant be right. Even in the Requirements: Laura 3 from the Millennium Kids - Young Teens and Young Teens Morph Pack this is a CHILD for gods sake!! Have things like common decency gone out the window? Is this been allowed because they know it might make a buck or two? If your going to have rules then make the rules applicable to everyone, Or is this one rule for some and one rule for everybody else.

i agree 100 % with you!!! If they have rules it should apply to everyone. And yes. I thought the same when I saw the requirements were the mil kids. I was thinking I thought you weren't "allowed" to adultify these.

"I didn't lose my mind, it was mine to give away"

er.... Now I know nothing about this product. But if it changes the mesh to look adult what is your problem? It's no different than how V3 and The new kid models are built off the same mesh.

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ok, ask any merchant what they are allowed to produce. Do you see anything like this for the GIRL here? no, why because she was felt to be underage. Even though she is a 'Toon' therefore she should not be touched with 'embelishments' or certain types of 'Lingerie'. Although you will find a certain merchant doing 'Lingerie' for her, and i know some merchants are not pleased about it. Now if the GIRL is not to be touched because she's 'underage' then what's happening here?? If you want to make an adult character then use Vicky.

"Do you see anything like this for the GIRL here?" Umm, no, because GIRL already has the requisite breast morphs. "therefore she should not be touched with 'embelishments' or certain types of 'Lingerie'" Whatever you do, do not go to Renderotica. (insert evil grin here.) BTW, "GIRL" was never determined by any authority (if there is even such a thing as an authoritative body on mesh maturity determinations) to be "underaged", save by one fellow (nearly a year ago) whom I had to correct on that note. "i know some merchants are not pleased about it." Can't please everybody... :? I'll make it simple: The PT Milgirl and Laura figures have far improved joints and mesh arrangements over their "adult" counterparts. Therefore, it is often easier and more productive to build or buy the morphs required to turn the default mesh into a more adult-proportioned figure. Some of the best artists can do it without the viewer even knowing where the mesh came from. There is also the fact that before Stephanie Petite, there was no relatively easy way of portraying petite women w/o a lot of effort and work, at least compared to simply up-sizing a PT Milgirl (V2) mesh. /P

I just went and looked at the product, and I see nothing amiss. It's just a utility set to modify an existing mesh. You use it on a unimesh to convert it from a young shape to an adult shape. A fairly specialized purpose. To imply anything wrong in this? Once the product is used, it's no longer a "CHILD, for god's sake!" (to quote post one above), it's an adult shaped mesh. If anything it'd make a character less objectionable on the grounds you imply. The product pics don't even show a before-and after shot, so it's not even a particularly suggestive ad. "I was thinking I thought you weren't "allowed" to adultify these." Don't know why you'd think that, but a misconception is scarcely a foundation on which to condemn an overall fairly innocuous product. I agree with Berserga on this.

"With these morphs, Laura could be just a short adult, but she could also turn into an oversexualized child." With the right modelling program, I can turn a spatula into an oversexualized child. (shrug) Just because the possibility is there shouldn't mean that one always assumes bad intent on the part of the maker. Otherwise one would have to walk around assuming that every woman on the planet is a possible prostitute (something I really wouldn't want to do myself...) /P

I think, myself, that it is like taking a photograph of a child and manipulating it to look like an adult.

"I didn't lose my mind, it was mine to give away"

Kitty If you talk to some of the merchants we know, they will say the same thing... money talks... they are not going to look at a product from one of there top sellers in the same way we are. It was proved a while ago with the offensive nameing of some of his products. Its just not worth it...

Any figure can be turned into virtually anything.

We also have products which do the reverse: I.E. transform V3 into a teenager.

I don't have a problem with this.

As for the Laura model being "controversial" -- I have a suggestion. Why don't we simply make it illegal to produce a 3D mesh in the form of a person under the age of 18 -- any mesh at all?

That should smooth over the issue nicely. Problem solved: no muss, no fuss.

Of course, such a move would put a cramp into the style of people that like to do scenes with children/teens playing, families, etc.......but that's OK.

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I think its an intersting concept personally. Laura's mesh is nicer to work with than V3 or S3 and she would make a lovely young adult.

1. Laura is a 3d mesh.
2. Laura is based on the DAZ unimesh which has been used to produce the Freak, David, Vicky, Steph etc.
3. This is meerly another adaption of that unimesh.

Would people please get real! This is NOT CHILD ABUSE.
This is a modeller giving you further options for the unimesh system.
When you use any model, unimesh-based or not YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT YOU PRODUCE.
If you produce child porn with Victoria, the Mill Girls or Laura, or any of the morph transfer systems, you are responsible, and not the guy who brings you morphs and magnet systems which allow you to do that.
GROW UP AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS!
End of rant.

Surely though if a person brings out a product that enables a character to be morphed into an image which could be classed as child porn is just as much to blame as the person who buys the product. Just my humble opinion and not a rant :O)

"I didn't lose my mind, it was mine to give away"

I (as most people here with any experience of Poser) can take any mesh and use magnets, scaling and modelling programs to turn that mesh into a child. This system turns a "child mesh" into an adult one, giving a NEW ADULT MESH. Christ, all he has done is give you a new ADULT model. If you have so many proiblems with this go slam DAZ, they created a nude child mesh in the first place. It is up to people how they use and intend to use that mesh. Believe you me CHILD PORNOGRAPHERS are not interested in these magnets!

Oh dear, I see the dead horse has been resurrected. And slightly reincarnated too. (If you don't get it, hop on over to Daz & ask Rortiz ;-) There's a similar product to "adultify" Luke, for the same reasons as with Laura -- the mesh is better than Vicky's or M3's. I've seen some beautiful images of GROWN UPS WHO ARE OBVIOUSLY OVER THE AGE OF CONSENT WHEREVER YOU MAY LIVE made using it. With and without clothes. This does NOT mean the morph set is an instant K*y Pn generator, any more than the knife I buy at Walmart is going to make me a serial killer instead of a turkey carver come next Thanksgiving. Please, please, let the moribund equine rest in peace.

Seems a lot of people are either missing my point or just plain ignoring it 'I thought we had a TOS for products, I thought some time ago things were worked out what was and was not acceptable.' My point.... Normal ranting can now be continued.

Unfortunately child pornography is everywhere. Including in the world of CG art. This is the whole reason why I never post my childrens pics on my website. Because there are people out there who will take advantage of any way or form to make an image where CG or RL into something evil. It's a sick world we live in and the world is full of evil people. The internet just brings them all that lil closer together.

"I didn't lose my mind, it was mine to give away"

It's unfortunate -- but this subject tends to lead to mass hysteria these days.

If it's "for the children" -- then it's got to be good.

Many, many politicians ram through terrible pieces of legislation by loudly proclaiming that they are doing this "for the children!!!!!!!!"

For a politician, it's as good of an excuse as any. And who would dare to question anything that's good for children? Even if it actually has nothing to do with kids at all............

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Like I said earlier -- we should simply make 3D representations of children and teens illegal.

Clearly, that would solve all of the problems.

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We are dealing with a mesh and magnets. Where exactly in the TOS does it say that a set of magnets to produce an ADULT model is gainst the TOS. Hey, how about if I produce a set of magnets and morphs to turn the MILL HORSE into a NUDE WOMAN, are you going to get upset and claim that that is BESTIALITY because she has genitals derived from a horse. GET REAL!

Just out of curiosity, I went over to the marketplace and took a look at the product. It's not something that I'll buy. The resulting adult character is much too 'toon-like to fit my taste. I don't like 'toons. But, based upon the previews, I'd say that she looks very much the young adult. I'd guess early 20's. Hardly a child.

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Ok Let me explain my angle on this, there is a product by Netherworks called Teen eXpansion for Laura this produces an older character. I have no problem with this at all, Ive even got it and its a very good product. This one however I feel oversteps anything some people would call decent or acceptable.

If the TOS aim is to stop products that could be used to create CHILD PORN, Renderosity should BAN all Laura-related products, because ALL of them can be used and adapted in the production of child porn. And add all GIRL products, most of the characters and mophs for Victoria and Steph, any of the "shaven pubic" texture maps and a hell of a lot more.

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this thread is making my head spin. Laura is a mesh, not a real girl. There is no TOS dealing with turning a childlike 3d model into a more mature looking 3d model, or against the converse. There are real things one can worry about in today's world. For pity's sake, if morphing a 3d model can get your blood pressure up, what does the evening news do?

Look......

Trying to anticipate every potential misuse of something that people can conceivably misuse.....leads to a conclusion of shutting down everything in order to prevent the possibility of some things.

People that are determined to misuse any given software tool aren't going to be stopped from doing evil things merely by forbidding the sale of the software tool to everybody else -------

Doing so would be another example of the "DO SOMETHING!" disease that so many people have these days.

Just do something -- anything -- and then we can all feel good that we've "done something".

Sorry....but such ultimately empty gestures accomplish nothing at all towards solving any problems in the real world. And they restrict others from doing perfectly legitmate work in the process.

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And one more thought, I think Blackhearted, and many more, are going to be extreemly annoyed with you! NIA et al!

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Are you saying it's okay for netherworks to make Laura's boobs larger, but It's not ok for wyrmmaster to do the same thing? Why the double standard?

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Ahh but the point is being totally missed. If I had attempted to release this product (or 99% of the merchants here for that matter) it'd of been shot down faster than the speed of light. I know for a fact that another merchant has a pack coming out that is based on the Laura mesh, looks adult, but because it's based on the Laura mesh promos had to adhere to the "no child nudity" rule. Money talks, us merchants know that. Make r'osity lots of money and you can release whatever in the hell ya want. It doesn't affect me one way or the other but this appears highly hypocritical to me ~shrug~ Not even going into the child pornography thing cuz it is polygons and pixels. I do believe David's complaint is more with the uneven application of the rules depending upon how much money you make the 'sity.

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" This one however I feel oversteps anything some people would call decent or acceptable."

Far too many folks out there deciding for me what is "decent and acceptible". This isn't afghanistan you know. -_- Viva la boobies!

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*"We also have products which do the reverse: I.E. transform V3 into a teenager."* Yup - I've already done that. For free.

Make r'osity lots of money and you can release whatever in the hell ya want If that's the case, then why have they stopped selling the bondage sets that were offered here until a few months ago? Those items were among some of the top sellers in the marketplace.

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There's still plenty in the marketplace ;)

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Thanks for the link, Peng. Nice character.

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"I do believe David's complaint is more with the uneven application of the rules depending upon how much money you make the 'sity." For the same token, Renderosity should remove all products for "the Girl", just in case such controversies arise, don't you think? Why just ban products for Laura, why not the GIRL? I believe the crack down on faeries images have already begun. I can smell and hear the four horsemen... The end is near...

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Well if there are double standards operating at Rendo, good luck to wyrmmaster for smashing the mould.

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Storm 'I think Blackhearted is going to be extreemly annoyed with you' I actually know him well :) JVRenderer ' Are you saying it's okay for netherworks to make Laura's boobs larger, but It's not ok for wyrmmaster to do the same thing?' you didn't read my post well 'This one however I feel oversteps anything some people would call decent or acceptable.' if you think producing something that looks like the airbags have gone off in your car and bares no relation to real life is fine........

"I can smell and hear the four horsemen... The end is near..." Yep, and they're all riding on skeletal nags, too.^^ ;-)

So, would this mean we need to ban Morph Manager? I mean Gee, I can transfer all of V3 morphs to Laura, I can do the same with V2 over to Mil PT. Most of the fairies you see here have some of the adult morphs transfered to other mesh. You know, not all of us need big breasted women. I find it easier to morph Laura to a young adult than down sizing V3 to look like one.

"Storm 'I think Blackhearted is going to be extreemly annoyed with you' I actually know him well :)" Well than David you will be familiar with his products for the PT girl and understand what I am saying because, by the same token, you are attacking his products. "This one however I feel oversteps anything some people would call decent or acceptable." So it is OK for Backhearted to turn the PT girl into a sexy miniscule vamp and not OK for wyrmmaster to produce magnets that MIGHT allow you to do the same with Laura?

JVRenderer For the same token, Renderosity should remove all products for "the Girl", just in case such controversies arise, don't you think? Why just ban products for Laura, why not the GIRL? Take a look at PoserPros sometime, you will find there are a lot of things there that were here for the GIRL. Why are they there? because the violated the TOS when they altered them for the merchants some time ago. But it seems perfectly ok for some merchants why? because they make money so Rendo turns a blind eye.

"...if you think producing something that looks like the airbags have gone off in your car and bares no relation to real life is fine..." So Neftoon and HER are evil now too? Cripes, we're rapidly running out of acceptable mesh here, y'know? /P

Look, David_Amos, I don't have Laura, and I don't intend to buy Laura. You, however, own Laura and even Netherworks' Teen Xpansion pack. You even claim Netherwork's pack is a very good product on thread 23. I won't question you what you use them for. You are the one kicking and screaming that Wyrmmaster has overstepped your versions of 'decency'. What point did I missed here, tell me. JV

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" because the violated the TOS..." yes and no. The TOS was altered allegedly because of PayPal concerns about erotic-looking clothing and products. There isn't all that much erotic about airbag titties, yo? /P

The abuse of children is wrong and evil. And all images that portray the abuse of children are wrong and evil.

Anyone disagree in here with those statements.......? Show of hands.......? No one disagrees..........?

What about making an image that features a character with a large chest that looks to be 22-23 years old? Got a problem with that...........?

I don't. Except to say that if it's a 'toon, then I'll ignore it.

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Penguinisto So Neftoon and HER are evil now too? Ok show me exactly where i said this was evil? i've not mentioned that at all, from my first post 'Have things like common decency gone out the window?' that and the double standards when it comes to the way some merchants are treated it what i'm on about. So come on! tell me where i've said any of this is evil!

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...

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thwack oops. Sorry, it slipped.

holy right wing conservatism... can we back up about 5 years, please ? ART ART...ARTISTS...CREATIVENESS...OPEN MINDED

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::munch::munch:: Popcorn, anyone?

Byrdie " ::munch::munch:: Popcorn, anyone?" Got any Coke going with it?

Nah, Pepsi's better. Diet of course, got enough calories from the hot butter, I don't need any more from all that sugar.

Pepsi yuck... Prefer Coke, ahhh i can feel the colestrol going through me vains just thinking of a can....

err, actually, I don't see how this has a damn thing to do with "Art". It strikes me as more befitting the concepts of "Interpretation" and "Social Acceptability" than "Art" itself. Using art as a shield is a disservice as it will distract from the core issues at hand, which, ultimately, have a questionable place in this forum. Pedophilia, apparent age of majority and minority in a cultural subtext, and the propriety of secondary sex characteristics extremism in mesh deformation are all subjects that have little to do with a forum for Poser. Unless, that is, you have nothing better to do.

here is a comparison. Now will someone (A mod preferably) please explain where the Child Porn is or the TOS violations?

By the way i'm not even going to ask for 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...' to be clarified...

Moon must be in a funny phase or something. Have some popcorn.

Got any Smokey Bacon crisps instead of popcorn?

Just thought of something. HEY wyrmmaster! David_Amos and I want a FREE copy of ANNA ADULT for all the FREE publicity we are giving your product!

bacon? ham? catnip?

"I didn't lose my mind, it was mine to give away"

Afraid not. Will BBQ sunflower seeds do? ::offers packet::

I see the Lollo Ferrari School of Body Bculpting is still going strong, regardless of age };-) ~S

While we're at it, why not trash our computers, renounce technology, flog the government and go back to the dark ages where we can call our neighbour a witch and have them burned. (The good ol' days lol) I agree with the need for consistancy in the TOS, but I don't think that merchants should be penalized for thier creations regardless of what 'may' be created from them. Ultimatly, the responsibility falls on what the buyer created with that product. Is Einstien responsible for the atomic bomb?

hay Storm that was a bit cheap or is it free.. or something like that... besides i'm in the UK, it 11pm and i have better things to do with my time. I'm out of here to let you all rant and rave however much you want. All i've been trying to say is some products don't just step Over the mark they go back and stamp on it.

Somebody forgot one. (Adds fuel to fire. It's cold on the East Coast.)

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"I didn't lose my mind, it was mine to give away"

Guess what? I am also on GMT in Ireland. Checking my e-mail like mad for offers. :0) 'night David.

Guess he doesn't like sunflower seeds. Oh well, more for me. ::munch::munch::crunch::

holy right wing conservatism...

Oh......I've got no problems a-tall with right wing conservatism. In 99% of its myriad forms.

Right-thinking people are a healthy commodity.

However, I do have a problem with stretching a clearly adult 3D character into an example of child abuse. That's taking things a bit far.

Adult 3D character mesh = child abuse.

The equation just doesn't add up.

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Some people think that if something is made legal, that it is also made moral. Hitler made genocide legal and the Germans didn't complain.

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Aaah but if you are right wing conservative it always adds up, regardless of the math! :0)

Oh......I've got no problems a-tall with right wing conservatism. In 99% of its myriad forms. Right-thinking people are a healthy commodity. However, I do have a problem with stretching a clearly adult 3D character into an example of child abuse. That's taking things a bit far. Adult 3D character mesh = child abuse. The equation just doesn't add up. I've said that? where exactly? 'right wing conservatism' i'm a pig (hands Kitty her catnip) pigs don't have wings of any kind :) No offers yet here either Storm, night there

"Some people think that if something is made legal, that it is also made moral. Hitler made genocide legal and the Germans didn't complain." So now turning a bunch of polygons into and ADULT and LEGAL mesh equates to genocide? Mein Gott! where were you when DAZ produced a NUDE Laura in the first place? Besides I think you need to look at history a little bit more closely before making sweeping statements like that, lots of Germans complained, they also ended up in the concentration camps. I know, relations and friends of my family were among them! I am half German and Half Irish.

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I don't see anything wrong or what the big deal is. So the product is for MGYT. Once applied it looks adult. Also, have you seen "young teens" these days? You would be hard pressed to pick them out among many young women. Girls are developing and maturing earlier now than they did even 40 years ago. I see this package no differen than other packages that convert Vicky to male, or Aiko to male. As for that "Mags" photo posted. First, those boobs look totally fake. I've never seen boobs shaped like wall sconces. Second, if you look at images of Asian females, 20 and 30 year olds can be mistaken for teenagers due to their shorter stature and smaller bone structure. I think people are getting bent out of shape for no reason.

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I've said that? where exactly? Ummmm....you didn't say that. Nor did I attribute the quote to you. Dave-so said it. The part about "holy right-wing conservatism", that is.

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More Friday night fun! Must be spring fever, or cabin fever, or something...

FWIW...it seems to me that David is referring to something that most of us don't know about. Apparently, products similar to Wyrm's were banned from Rosity due to the new TOS (or new enforcement of the TOS?). He's not upset about boobs on Laura, he's upset about the uneven enforcement of the TOS.

A pretty common sentiment around here, really...

Ooh! More popcorn! ::runs off to get a bigger bowl::

"FWIW...it seems to me that David is referring to something that most of us don't know about. Apparently, products similar to Wyrm's were banned from Rosity due to the new TOS (or new enforcement of the TOS?). He's not upset about boobs on Laura, he's upset about the uneven enforcement of the TOS."

Well in that case he should have directed his attack against Rendo and its' policies instead of trying to attack the morality or acceptability of wyrmmaster's product. If it is not the product, but double standards, that offend, why not simply say so?
I am all for the EXPOSURE of double standards here, and I don't need wyrmmaster's magnets to do that! :0)

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My point exactly! Storm got it.. Do not single out one product or one merchant to attack. Be clear at what you are pointing out. do you get my point? Lemme drag the beer keg in here......... pass me the popcorn...

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Oh, for cripes sake >:(. I had several girls in my 7th grade class that were overly developed & already in a size C cup at age 12/13!(I'm now 45). Perverts will use this in a bad manner...normal people will use this in a normal manner. I mean really, you can scale the PT's up or down...same with V3/M3. This product or any of said merchants stuff interests me none. I don't want my characters to have HUGE boobs...IMHO it's not natural. I'm a natural person, so huge knockers to me are hideous, whether it be 3d mesh or via silicon implants. As a matter of fact, most men hate implants...all I've heard men say is they are hard as rocks & feel like tennis balls. Men can tell instantly if boobs are fake or real. Anyway....how many times is this dead horse going to beaten? I have no problem with this product, its just not for me.

No it's his bizarre interpetation of the TOS.

I am suppin' "Stella Artois" at the moment, a nice Belgian contribution to civilisation. What's your poison?

" I don't want my characters to have HUGE boobs...IMHO it's not natural." Tell that to the girl In the grade above me in Highschool whose boobs were larger than that. :p

Well at Least he is reshaping the mesh to make it appear like an adult female unlike thosepeople who simply add a pair of wings and pointy ears to nude female children figures and hide behind the thinly veiled cover story of them being 800 year old "faeries" ;-/

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::passes popcorn bowl:: I'm sticking with Diet Pepsi for now. Anything stronger and I'll start yodeling "Ride of the Valkyries" while flying around in circles upside down. Boy is that embarrassing!

" I don't want my characters to have HUGE boobs...IMHO it's not natural."
Tell that to the girl In the grade above me in Highschool whose boobs were larger than that. :p"

And I bet for a couple of years the boys fell over themselves trying to date her. But, then it all went away in her early twenties.
Lots of girls opt for breast reduction surgery at that point. I can't blame them. An asset becomes a impediment. nature can be very cruel to some. Now we are back to discusiing ideal breast sizes. How did that happen?

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This product or any of said merchants stuff interests me none. I don't want my characters to have HUGE boobs...IMHO it's not natural. I'm a natural person, so huge knockers to me are hideous, whether it be 3d mesh or via silicon implants.

Some men like giant chests. I am not one of them. Big chests are fine; giant chests are not.

I've seen pictures of 100% natural breasts that must have weighed 50lbs. each......on women like the old 1960's/1970's model Chesty Morgan.

To my taste, it just looks deformed.

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Just a thought ... if this were something to make a huge wanger for AdultMorphed!Luke instead of big gazongas for AllGrownUp!Laura, would anybody give a hang? :: double butter on the popcorn ::

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I can just see all of the under-35's rushing out to do a google on "Chesty Morgan" right now...........perhaps some of the over-35's, too..........

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Besides being a mod in this forum I'm also a product testet. In fact I'm the one who tested and approved this model. Before doing so, I checked with a couple of other people and we determined that there is no TOS issue involved here. This is an adult figure.

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This is an adult figure That about covers it, I'd say.

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Thanks. Wish you said that 90 posts back! ;0)

::hic::hic:: What the heck is in that Pepsi anywayyyOOOOO!!!

This is ridiculous. Sigh.... It's a mesh. She doesn't actually exist. Laura doesn't 'exist'. Or maybe you missed that basic point?! Duh. And once the mesh is morphed using W-Master's set, it looks sort of 'adult'. Remember Sweetheart, the name 'Young Teen' is what DAZ uses to sell a mesh. Once morphed it is no longer a teen, it is something else. Remember also that the Laura Young Teen mesh is based on the same base mesh as Vicky 3 for instance. Are you screaming about her too? Also, if you have a problem with the Laura mesh naked , you can always put 'clothes' on it, keep your eyes closed until you have the clothes on, lol! So? What's the problem? Maybe you and some other Mother Grundys here need to get a life or something. Byrdie - what utter nonsense. Trying to make a pseudofeminist thing out of this, are you? Boooooring. Just as boring as the person that started this ridiculous thread. :] Fish (rolls eyes) What a joke!

"This is an adult figure" Which is what common sense told many of us.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Wish you said that 90 posts back! I seriously doubt that it would have changed anything if he had.

Something To Do At 3:00AM 

well, the supreme court already ruled that CG cannot be child porn...so the only thing riding on this discussion is someones's interpretation of the TOS here at Rendo. This is so much totally bullshit. I think rendo aought to just get rid of anything that may remotely kindle some kind of sexual overtones....and while they're at it, they surely should get rid of all the frickin clothes..that even most hookers wouldn't wear...especially those strap thing across those 44EE knockers and through the groin area. I think I'm going to see if my Mil horse can get it on with the mil cat.

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together.
All things connect......Chief Seattle, 1854

's wot i meant, Fishie. Whole darn thing ish redic-ridick-- oh heck. Shtup...er, stoopid ::hic::hic:: What is the floor doing up there?!

Careful, PETA might be listening ;)

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

it only cruelty for humans if you're standing anywhere near...but in the CG world, no one is "really" involved, you see :) Is there anything in any TOS regarding things such as that? Oh..the point...its nearly as ridiculous as the rest

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together.
All things connect......Chief Seattle, 1854

Oh you guys just don't get it... There aren't meshes in the Poser box, those are REAL PEOPLE in there!!! Yes, Vicky is a real person with wants, needs and desires. When you turn off your computer she's trapped... TRAPPED I tell ya! Trapped in that little cube which is the Poser world. And Michael 3, poor thing, can't keep his penis on. It's a real penis too. I can't believe DAZ did that to him. What is Mike's penis doing when it isn't attached? I shudder to think. I mean you just know something's wrong here as all the little people in poser are BALD to start with. I mean completely bald!!! No armpit hair! No hair on their big toes!!! Something terrible is happening and we've got to do something. And quickly before more little Poser people show up! :D

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"I think I'm going to see if my Mil horse can get it on with the mil cat."

Rnderotica has had some interesting discussions on that whole topic with reference to bestiality depictions.

I am curious as to what the TOS here states as regards Beast on Beast sexual/reproduction images.

I have a friend who is a vet, and we have discussed the possible use of Poser to create a visual reference manual for farmers in Ireland that are going back to Bull on Cow fertilisation.
Just in case anyone thinks I am Joking, I am not.
AI or Artificial Insemination has been used for years in Ireland, however, farmers are now going back to the "natural methods" after many years, thus the interest in a visual manual.

Anyone got thoughts on the issue?

There is probably a whole market out there for pet breeding manuals, not to mention Zoos and rare species. From Goldfish to Hippos.

Message edited on: 03/11/2005 19:12

I'm in the camp of "whatever floats your tools", or however that goes. I honestly thing the TOS here and at DAZ is way overblown, but it is their site and they can do with it as they desire....and of course, we have a choice of being here or there or not...and if we stay, we must abide by their silly TOS. But then it comes full circle to the original post, which I think may hsve been misworded to convey the child porn thingy....if there is a TOS , it must be followed across the board by everyone...equally..no favoritism. The thing I doon't like is when people are trying to tell me what I can't see, can't read, can't do..that is none of their business....and then they try to make all kinds of rules and laws to comply with their sense of morality.

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together.
All things connect......Chief Seattle, 1854

"Those who make the rules (change, abuse, use,), ahem, interpret the rules"

BOING...brainstorm... we should set up a committee of members...we could be our own judge and jury...to over-ride and keep watchdog on the rendo interpretations... we could call it the "equality and fairness panel" yes...... Well, enough of this..I'm going to watch some NCAA hoops..college basketball is a blast.

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together.
All things connect......Chief Seattle, 1854

Hmmm... This is SO stupid on SO many levels. It's a character set. It takes a product that looks like a young teen girl and makes her look like a hot 20 something woman. Somehow I don't think the mesh is going to call Child Services. I don't think it's "parents" or other concerned meshes will either. Frankly, I don't think Child Services would take the case anyway, since it's a MESH, not a living person. It's gets worse. Think about it. Child pornographers WANT the figures in their pictures to look young and innocent. Wrynmaster's set makes the figure an ADULT. It's actually useless to the kiddy porn people, since it won't give them the results they want. Get a life people.

Ad Hoc committes already exist that keep watchdog on Rendo interpretions, but they are generally classed by the PTB as troublemakers, old guard (Jack and Ed supporters), Poser Forum ride-into-town Terrorists (big list there), mavericks, and general lunatics (I can think of at least one there).
The real question is in which category we put ourselves? ;0)

Jim! Sweetie! How the ::hic:: are you? Pull up a perch -- no, darn it, I do not mean a fish! Here, have some BBQ sunflower seeds. They're extra spicy. ;-)

Hah! A row! ;0)

"No hair on their big toes!!!" giggles and points at Netherworks hairy toes

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

did you guys know there's a 50% off sale at DAZ on all their fantasy stuff?

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together.
All things connect......Chief Seattle, 1854

" see David Amos' view. With these morphs, Laura could be just a short adult, but she could also turn into an oversexualized child. Personally, I thought on her release that this figure could cause a lot of controversy." You mean this one? I thought that had been answered

Well there is a big difference between marketing and the finished render. Bottom line, every render is judged on what it looks like. Turn Vicky into a 14-year-old child and put her in a sexual situation and you are going to be turfed off this site and most others. So it does not matter a damm what people produce and make, it is how you use that product. That is where the responsibility lies. Misuse or abuse of a product to produce Child Porn is the responsibility of the artist. You can use the standard V3 Morphs to produce a waif-like kid and and then use scaling to turn that mesh into a 12-year-old look-alike. Should DAZ withdraw V3 as a consequence?

As someone that was a 36d at age 10 unenhanced, give me a fricken break... So Dave, why are you stirring up interest in the thing if you are so against it. Because, that it what this is achieving. Geesh, Methinks he doth protesth too much.

99 bottles of beer on the wall ... oops, wrong thread. Wrong forum, too. ::hic::

Hey Byrdie, ..I need... er, can I have just one lille one of ur 99 bockles o beeeer onnda wall.....pleeeeaase?

Shure, help yershelf. ::hic::hic:: Popcorn, anyone?

Yeah, I'll take some popcorn there, Byrdie.

::passes popcorn:: Extra butter? Or caramel -- got me an awful weakness for Crunch & Munch.

STORM said.... "Artificial Insemination has been used for years in Ireland, however, farmers are now going back to the "natural methods" after many years....." Uh.... how do the farmers wives feel about that?

::snorts beer all over the screen::

slurp! ::Hic:: CRASH -Ish dat the gound..?- Ooooh my head don't freeel so goood. Wash in d' bockle? NO! no popcorn, no....slump Slithering sounds STORM being dragged of to his bed by 4 willing slaves, all based on the Laura mesh. "Dtangs to all da morpers....ish a hard life! G 'night

"Uh.... how do the farmers wives feel about that?" Aaarg, they gots da eyeesh on da bulls, ish da farmers dash worried... slump.

Hard? Oooh ::licks lips:: c'mere, big boy!!! CRASH! THUD! BANG! ::moan: ::silence:: ::whimper:: But why is the popcorn all gone?

G'night Storm. lol

Message edited on: 03/11/2005 21:01

Well, that was an amusing bit of gopher snot....

So men are supposed to be able to tell fake breasts from real ones? Gee I must have missed a few classes. Where can I get some practice?!

So, hang on. Is it really the case that some people think that a mesh (i.e., a collection of polygons, vertices, etc.), which is based on an .obj file (a text file, for pity's sake), is somehow an actual person with a real life age? bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

This thread is starting to get carried away, and everything that can be said already has, so I think I'd better end it

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