Okay, so by now it's old news that thumbnails with boobs get more hits. To quantify this notion: My steamroom image with a male figure and a male physique thumbnail got 47 hits and 1 comment (thank you, Karen1573) after 5 days in the gallery, while a steamroom image with a hetero couple and a female boob thumbnail got 154 hits with no comments. My question is: would a steamroom image with a lesbian couple and two sets of boobs in the thumbnail elicit more hits and perhaps even an insightful comment or two?

most-likely. After all, they say every man's dream is to have two women. Well, most every man's dream...

I'll tell you what would definately get more hits and probably several comments; a thumbnail with boobs, linking to an image of two guys getting it on. 8-O

hehe.
Course, they proly wouldn't be the comments you're looking for.

E.D.

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But a thumb in the boobs will always provoke a comment plus you'll get your face slapped. So count that as a hit also I guess. :)

You could always try "manboobs"....(note to self:. stop watching Seinfeld reruns). Personally I'm an "assman" myself....(note to self:....really, really HAVE to stop watching Seinfeld reruns).

The tits get the hits, but not the comments. The first image I ever posted that got no comments had probably the most hits of any of my images. You guessed it - it was a pinup.

LOL Phil! I think folks might be a bit uneasy about posting comments on an image with nudity in it here. Maybe it makes them feel pervier than they perceive themselves or wish the community to perceive them. At my site an image (and oh yes, there's nudity in most all of them) will get 4-8 comments on the average with anywhere from 50-100 hits in less than a week. Of course there we're all a bunch of perverts, and happy ones at that. I guess we've just "mastered" one-handed typing. ;)

I try to get as many hits as possible by putting boobs in my thumbnails... seems to work... but if you want lotsa hits, comments, votes, admiration, etc... make sure your iamge has painted hair, painted clothes, surreal sky backgrounds and you have been an artist here since the site started... LOL... nah! boobs everytime.

takes off coordinator hat That's not always true. I have one image that I put in the gallery recently that has not only surpassed the one (ok, it was bad) nude shader study I put in my gallery, but it has more comments on it than any of my other images. Sometimes, if you do something straight from your heart, people will get it. And you'll hit them in the same place ;) Jeni

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I got 953 hits on an image just showing a woman's face at the other "R" site. It was a series of six pictures and each one just showed that woman's face. All of them got hundreds of hits. In fact it seems I get more hits at the other "R" site just showing a face than a lot of other people who have more explicit thumbnails. I don't really post that much here, the other "R" site is a lot friendlier and people aren't as judgemental. R 'otica

Yup, boobs do the job. My first - and for now the only one posted - Poser render was special Valentine Day pin-up (postcard for my b-friend). Got more than 700 hits and 5 comments. My fractal/Terragen pics usually get 5 comments with 40-50 hits. My "most-commented-pic-ever' is a fractal image - 75 hits, 12 comments. Nice ratio :) Sigh. Watching naked ladies - yes, leaving any trail - no. Sigh.

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Boobs do the job, ok, that may be true. But my best pic with the most comments has a full dressed woman. In the end it is still quality that counts !

My most viewed image at 2600+ hits {that just amazes me by the way}is hard to tell just what it is from the thumbnail, it shows a gloved hand and inner thigh in a red latex boot. the image itself has no real nudity. My most commented image`s thumb shows some hip panties and a leather corset that I did the texture for, no real nudity in it either. I have thumbnails with boobs that only get 300 to 600 odd hits. For me it seems that the thumbs that just show faces do better. Ed

Truthfully, it's the comments and hits you get on a tamer image that mean the most. 8-)

Cleavage and lots of it, will get you hits everytime. :)

I look, but I do not comment after getting slammed for not gushing. Never again... I look for lighting when I click on a Thumb, because that is what I am messing with now. If I see something I really like lighting wise, I will contact the artist with a PM for any pointers. I also like real skin textures, so often a thumb that shows real skin will get my click. Here lately many have turned out to be photos!, which explains a lot and requires no comment from me!

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My mostly commented image (112 comments, 7056 hits) has no nudity, nor did my second mostly commented image (71 comments). Go figure.

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I don't think you want comments from the 13-year-olds who are giving your image all those hits, unless you like reading 75 repetitions of "Dewd...tits...heh, heh, cool."

I have two pics up: thumb #1 shows a male face and thumb #2 shows a female face : female face pic gets more than twice the hits - perhaps a face invites further viewing in case any undeclared nudity or general skin is present in the full size pic? I am begining to believe there is an "art" to creating an good thumbnail...on other sites where I've got stuff uploaded, the "harder-to-make-out" I've made a thumbnail, the less hits it gets - say if the pic is a full-length figure and the thumbnail is just a reduction of that (rather than say an isolated bit of interesting detail) - no one can tell how great the art is and so miss out on enjoying the full image - the fools - I pity them!!! cheers, great topic!

Strange this whole sex thing. In my home culture men could not care less about breasts so far as I know. Once when I was traveling a german tourist asked me why women in chador were whipping out thier breasts to nurse kids in crowded trains and taxi vans without covering up at all. In the Middle East and Central American I have seen women go around trying to show how chubby they are, I guess TV will change that. I had to move my "P5 genitals to Millenium Figure" product to another store after it was pulled here... I have not ever used them for a sexual/erotic render myself, they are simply to provide proper anatomy for the "art school"-style nudes I do. I didn't complain a peep as I feel most definately that a store has the absolute right to choose what they want to carry, I just wish I could filter out the freaky "School Girl" "baby toon" and most especially the scary hardcore bondage and torture stuff I have to see thumbnailed in the MP all the time (Yes, I know I can turn off thumbs but with the unclear product naming there how would I know what to even peek at?). Bottom line... is purience in the intent... where does erotosim begin and beauty fall off. Some people are much more stimulated by a shoe or tube sock then a breast or other body part, many people in the arts are indifferent to nudity completely... from being a dancer and traditional "real world" artist studying then teaching figure painting, seeing someones "private" body is of little consequence to me, erotism comes from how one relates to a vision or image. The real question here is who is into this as art, as technical chalenge, as porn? Is there any significance to these differences ultimately? That said I apreciate the nudity filtering here as some have personal values that limit how much nudity they want to see or if not that, then access from work or school or the family room where they don't want to have to explain the image subject matter. But why a double standard when it comes to torture images I do not know. I understand there has been some issues of homophobia here as well. When it comes to art and images here... I have found that anything that deviates from the hyper-real "no depth of field", no postwork ideal is resoundingly ignored... when was the last time you saw something here that wasn't that way? I Painter8 my renders, I photoshop cartoon and and wirewireframe outline previews, I do digital watercolors, I print out and manipulate the images and scan them back in, but I don't bother to post them anymore, no one comments or views those at all :(

Oh! and I also agree with ratscloset, I am afraid to post serious "art criticism" here since it doesn't seem to be what people are up for. Long ago I used to comment on issues of composition, anatomy, color use, et al. but somehow it has come to seem that that is not what is sought by people posting their images. I myself have stopped going to the gallerie on account of the Nude Chick with Sword in front of Temple alternating with Nude Chic in Corset. Sorry to rant, it is just one of those days that blowing off steam is good for my health :)

Are you serious? You think no postwork is the ideal here? Usually people complain that it's the opposite: there's so much postwork that you can't tell a 3D program was used at all. Most of the "hot 20" have a lot of postwork.

"there's so much postwork that you can't tell a 3D program was used at all." You got that right and with that in mind, if you can't tell it was rendered in Poser, Bryce, or Vue or whatever rendering program they used, it should be posted in the 2D gallery and not the Poser gallery.

but, but, but Poser, Bryce and Vue aren't 3D programs, they are merely 2 and a half D programs. Please don't tell studios like ILM and Pixar not to use post work on there animations... God forbid you might apply a job at one of those studios...

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there's so much postwork that you can't tell a 3D program was used at all. It's ironic that the original intent for Poser was to use as a figure reference and not as final rendered art. I don't have a problem with postwork, nor do I have a problem with Poser figures being used and rendered in other apps. I think it's the final result that counts.

I don't have a problem with postwork. I was just pointing out that the usual complaint is the opposite of wertu's.

I hope you're being ironic, pookah.

I mean... it's obvious that this is how it works.
Why?
Because we are basically mammals and as such are endlessly interested in mating and of course the opposite sex - since that is a prerequisite for aforesaid activity, i.e. creating offspring.

Having a snooty attitude, as many have, that being horny, or fascinated by men/women is somehow indicative of moral weakness or some other nonsense - is precisely that - nonsense.
For the most part it is religious nonsense. Many religions espouse the suppression of lust, and laud chastity as an ideal. This unfortuantely translates into similar notions in the minds of many people of today who otherwise apparently see themselves as 'modern', lol. NOT.

On the contrary, the ability to see past the ancient Christian/Catholic/etc/etc ethics and know what is actually going inside us mammals is to be preferred.
That 'modern' US society is going backwards in matters such as these is, to say the least, alarming. Since these people are marginally a majority in their own country (just enough of them to get Bush back into the White House, ick), their arrogance is almost limitless and most irritating for everyone else.

It translates into such things as Paypal's (and consequently Renderosity's) ridiculous stance on anything related to sex, the same and more so in the case of DAZ, and all the moralising perpetually repeated in these forums that just makes me SICK.

Why do I even waste my energy writing this, I wonder - those that understand my stance are already converted (or unperverted, depends on how you see it) and the others don't get it.

Lecture over, you can leave now :o)
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I think the question is not why tits get hits, but why tits get hits but not many comments. The ratio of comments to hits is notably low for pinup type pics - why is that? Are they really typing one-handed? Are they just too embarrassed to comment in public? Are the kind of people who click on boobies not the kind of people who comment on art? It's a reasonable question, I think, especially if at other sites, erotic images do get comments.

Yeah yeah I know, I'm just ranting lol. My rant applies generally to many posts about thumbs and images in this forum, hundreds of them over the years. And it is certainly the case that tits may well get hits and fewer comments - my images/thumbs all do the tits&ass thing (that's what I render and what I enjoy) and I get thousands of hits, but not that many comments, considering. 3000 hits may give 12 comments, for instance. However I do get indirect compliments, in a sense: Legions of viewers add me or my images to their 'favorite artist' and/or 'favorite image' lists without actually commenting the images per se. Which all means that lots of people appreciate them without saying so aloud. In effect, even though pookah's example above is far too small a statistical sample to give any kind of certainty, the hypothesis put forward may well be correct, as my experience suggests. Why? A different kind of folks viewing perhaps. :] Fish

Don't forget that clique or favoratism thing. I just took a stroll through the Poser gallery and there were some very good images (female) with very few hits or comments that were just as good as the images (female) that had alot of hits and alot of comments. Figure that one out.

"Legions of viewers add me or my images to their 'favorite artist' and/or 'favorite image' lists without actually commenting the images per se." And how many of those legions of viewers are adding you to their list to later steal those images for later use? Adding you to their favorites list is one way to easily find the image they want later instead of scrolling through tons of images to find the one they want or having to do a search for a particular atrist.

Sort of takes the fun out of irony when you're forced to own it. Oh well... Just for the hell of it, I just posted a gratuitous lesbian in the steamroom scene. Interesting to see if it gets more hits than the others in the series before it gets yanked for being...whatever.

The buddy system? "Ooh hun, you did GOOD! Hugzz!" "Oh, I never saw xxxxxx's new texture set so well used!" Etc. :] Fish

pookah - "Gratuitous lesbian in a steamroom"?

Oh my, I'm off to look - (Back now) LOL!!! Love the hand up to the camera, never seen that in a Poser render that I can remember. Actually a steamroom/sauna is about as unsexy a place as I can think of. I mean, the heat and humidity just kills anything remotely resembling horniness.

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ROFL! Gratuitous and incestuous, it would appear...

Judging by the comment left in the gallery, I've offended at least one person. Glad it at least amused you both, randym and fishnose, as that was my intent!

the scary hardcore bondage and torture stuff I have to see thumbnailed in the MP all the time If you actually see stuff like that, bring it to the attention of ClintH. They're apparently trying to do away with that sort of thing, although it seems that not all the testers know this. ;) bonni

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Hi, I have just tried out the thumbnail-test a few months ago. Yes, you will have many views with boobs or other nudity or erotics in thumbnail. You will also have a good number of viewers with a female showen on thumbnail. Your views will drop down if your thumbnail only shows a candel or flower qo (and only a few will have a look if maybe a female is on image also g)No much interesst if a male figure is showen on thumbnail expect you will have a hot topic for this image. Strange but...true ;-) Sivana

A member was about to quit (or at least he said he was) because his images were getting so little traffic and it was all going to boobs etc. I did a study of his entire gallery and mine for comparison. His total hit to comment ration was 10 to 1. For every 10 hits he got 1 comment. Mine was like 80 to 1. For every 80 hits, 1 comment. I think that is a sign of his images superior artistic interest and my works more male-adolescent-prurient-hollowness. He was greatly heartened (or at least he said he was) and is still posting to this day. I was happy to have shed some light on his situation and lift his esteem.