I just got Vue5I today, which wasn't bad on shipping considering Oregon to Florida is quite a ship and I only paid for Ground. So I loaded it up, copied the demo scenes from the secondary disk, updated to the latest version which was recommended in an earlier thread. There is a couple of scenes that don't seem to want to load from Vue4Pro, but seems to me they said something about that in the manual. I followed the manual on page 453 where it has the animated ocean tutorial, but just did the ecosystem part just to get a taste of it. I changed the material to ecosystem on the terrain, I loaded in palm tree and hit okay and then I rendered it, but no palm trees. Am I missing a step? The E-On logo EcoSystem on the scene samples worked okay, so EcoSystem must work. I just can't figure out what I'm missing. It has some interesting features so far, gonna take me a bunch of time to get into them though.