I'm having trouble figuring out the mermaid tail.

I've made the R & L Buttock, R & L Thighs, R & L Shin, R & L Foot, and R & L Toes invisible.

I've left the hip visible. When I tried making it invisible there was a gap between the waist and the tail at the hip area.

How do I fix the area in the picture outlined in red? I've turned all of thedials until I'm sea sick, but can't get rid of the crotch and thigh outlines.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Here is a picture that is a bit lighter.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Is this the DAZ tail for V3? They're modeled into the tail; you can't get rid of them (unless there's a morph or something). Anton (the creator) said he preferred the "merged leg" style of mermaid tail to the "eel-like" style.

ahhhh, ok I guess I'll have to fix it in PSP then. I prefer the other style. Thanks. At least I know it wasn't me this time, hehe

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Firebirdz has a free pose that does this, also a couple of sample textures and backgrounds. You'll find it right here: http://market.renderosity.com/softgood.ez?ViewSoftgood=20986

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Whatever happened to Anton? Marque

Boo.
Been working on my house all winter. PS: Thanks FyreSpiryt for the mention. That tail was a fun project. The factoid that I liked the merged-leg over the eel look caught me funny. I only ever remember mentioning it once. Great memory there.

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Has anyone had luck fitting Anton's mermaid tail to Aiko 3, Steph 3, or Laura? I've been fiddling with it for a while and can't figure it out, but would love to use it with those figures.

Sgiathalaich

Hi Anton!- I also sort like the merged-leg look in mermaids, I even put vestigial feet in mine, my theory is they evolved from land people, sorta like whales. ;-) I think sombody is working on a Aiko Mermaid, I though about doing one.

I like the eel-tails better myself. I usually use the free undine from Dacort when I need a mermaid.

I think guys like the leg look because it's more sexually appealling. I noticed that alot of female users like the dolfin like tails. I temd to think of mermaids as mid-evolved with a softer transition from human to fish. I reallu loved Ursula in the Little Mermaid. The half octopus thing rocked.

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I have a mermaid tail which will hopefully be out at Daz soon - for Laura, Aiko, Hiro and Stephanie Petite.

I would so love to have a half octopus model, its great (but the thought of setting it up is enough to make me run LOL) Mada

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I never thought about the sexually appealing aspect, but I guess if you're a "leg man," merged leg is the way to go. ;-)

I guess I don't like it because it looks fake to my eye. Like those old movies where you can see the "mermaid" is just an actress wearing a latex tail prosthetic. I don't see mermaids as being evolved, more like magically created. Like griffins or dragons.

deleeuw, that's a lovely image. You don't see many redheaded mermaids. :-)

So glad I saw this thread. I'm working on a project with mermaids in it and those poses look great! Mada, I'm SO looking forward to your mermaid tail... any idea when it'll be available? (I'm working with mermaids now, which is why I'm asking ;-). bonni

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:P Well I sent you a pm earlier bonni when I saw your mermaid pics but you haven't picked it up yet. Mada

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Something I have not seen done is the split leg mermaid where each foot transitions from srperate legs into anglefish like fins. It would be an easy easy figure

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Attached Link: http://www.dacort.com/3D/product_info.php?part_number=108

There's a twin tailed mertail by dacort but I think its for posette, looks pretty cool though... Mada

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Oh yes I had forgottenabout that one. So fun. Similar but not so fluid. Basically the foot becomes a tail fin but there is still a knee and shin

Message edited on: 04/14/2005 00:44

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Actually that could look really nice with the knee and shin more defined and not too bendy, and adding some fins running down the back of the leg :)

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Attached Link: http://www.daz3d.com/shop.php?op=itemdetails&item=89

The Sea Nymph package by MAB is quite nice, although the legs are more like legs than the "eel-like" appendages of dacort's "Melusine". bonni

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That item doesn't exist at Daz it seems. Wonder how long it has been gone. Shame. It looks nice as does LisaB's textures. It was probably dropped by mistake when they reformatted the store this past summer.

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The Sea Nymph? I can see it, and the link appears to work... bonni

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Must be a browser issue. I use Explorer. Also doesn't come up in searches. Maybe it's a login glitch where only those logged in can see it. I can see everything else. Just this item it insists doesn't exist.

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Weird! Maybe it is the browser. How strange! bonni

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I think it is unique to how certain products were coded. Someone who knows MAB might want to let her know so she can have it looked into.

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I'll send her a pm. :)

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The sea nymph wasn't taken down by mistake. It was retired by my choice (actually very recently) due to lack of sales. It's a several year old product. It was time to retire it. As far as tails, I like a sort of cross between a merged leg and eel like tail. Mada's tail fits this personal preference of mine perfectly and I love the decorative fins.

Thanks for the heads up, though. I'm pleased to have seen this thread just for other reasons. This is a cool thread.

deleeuw, will you also be including V3? I like the look of that tail much better. I don't mind the merged leg look from the back, but the front looks rather ugly to me. I'd much rather see a smooth front.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

I'm kind of burnt out on adding all those fbm's and jcm's to the tails - refitting is not a problem but adding the morphs is a lot of work... and since V3 already has a tail I would rather spend the time to fit to characters that doesn't have a tail yet - sorry :) Mada

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That's ok :) I understand. I've never made anything like that so I don't know what's involved or the time it takes.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

I gather Anton did his mermaid tail as a conforming item. I did mine (all of 'em) as a new CR2, the top half was basicly the same as the figure, from the hip down she is a proper mermaid, with the mesh (for the tail) loaded by external geometry calls. Most of them (not the GIRL one) also have switching tails, as I was feeling super clever when I set them up. ;-) I never did one for V3 though, or Glamorous or Ingenue Vickie. Maybe I augta, mermaids aren't super sellers, though.

I thought about that at one point but was worried that people with a custom cr2 for their Vicki would be annoyed that they had to port their custom head morphs and texture over.

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I considered it as well, but decided to go with the conforming item since I wanted the scales to fade into the skin :)

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Well, deleeuw, I really like the look of your mermaid tail, and I see it will fit SP3, so if that's the case I'll just use her instead of Vicky. I really don't like the crotch outline because it looks un-natural to a mermaid; they don't have crotches because they are fish from the waist down.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

hehe Mermaids are like centaurs. The transition is completely subjective. But historically, mermaids had more groin than is represented today. You have to remember that historically mermaid mythology was prepetuated by men. Part of what I was referring to above, regardly sexual appeal to men, is that you can't boink a fish. :)

Here are some old american and european representations. Mostly we think of the carved mermaids on ships but they were the censored versions. :)

But like I said, like centaurs, dragons, etc, it all come down to the individual, expecially since they aren't real. hehe added nudity tag.

Message edited on: 04/16/2005 01:11

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I found some more fun images. Interesting in the 1600's mermaids were depicted with tails and mini legs. In Spain the had one tail instead of each leg. It is really interesting how mermaid tastes have chaned over the centuries. I wonder what the next incarnation would be.

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LOL - the mini legs just don't look right. I had fun doing research for the tails, I liked the mermaids by James Christensen best, wonderful illustrator. http://www.jameschristensen.com/saintsandangels.html

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It is really interesting how mermaid tastes have chaned over the centuries. It is! Thanks for posting these. THe same is true, by the way, of unicorns. The ones you see these days (i.e., the "horny horse") are very different from medieval ones, which were more like a deer. Fun thread. :-) bonni

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Mermaids are popular right now, I'm working on a character too. :) My only wish is the Daz tail had a better range of movement.

...... Kendra

Quote - liked the mermaids by James Christensen best, wonderful illustrator. http://www.jameschristensen.com/saintsandangels.html

Oh, those are nice! Smooth front and fins down the back of the tail. I like that too.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Quote - Mermaids are popular right now, I'm working on a character too. :) My only wish is the Daz tail had a better range of movement.

Love that image! How did you get the hair to look like it's floating in the water? I haven't found any hair like that in the stores so I'm assuming it's something you did or made yourself.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Well, Kendra can answer for herself, I'm sure, but it looks to me like it's painted hair, possibly using Ravnheart's wonderful "Heavenly Hair" brushes. bonni

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Yep, what Bonni said. :)

...... Kendra

When's that tail going to be available? SP is my favorite female figure. She'd make a great mermaid, with her svelte form. We've got a new dolphin, now we need a new mermaid!

I can't use those brushes because I use PSP instead of Photoshop. I'll have to try and make my own in PSP, brushes are pretty easy to make, it's just a matter of being able to make one that simulates the look of hair which I have to figure out.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

I have no idea when, its still in testing at Daz and it depends if they find anything that needs fixing... sorry I can't be more specific :)

...the Grace Lion hair is great for mermaid hair, the morphs make it look like its floating in the water.

Mada

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Since someone asked, here's Stephanie Petite in Mada's mermaid tail (the face is Dazyl, but the rest of the body is pretty standard). I've also managed to get the tail to fit reasonably well on Luke. It's not designed for him, but with a little tweaking and resizing and careful posing, it works pretty well. :-) bonni

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Nice! How is the top done? Is it a second skin texture? Or a conformer?

Nice! I will definitly invest in that tail for SP3!

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

*note to self: make a mermaid pic

The top is in 3 parts - a tight conforming piece for the fishscales, a shellbra and a jewel design for the centre.

Nice mermaid pic bonni, Dazyl is my favourite SP character :)

Mada

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Talking about mermaid pics...

Some of you may have seen this, sorry. It was about the last computer painting I ever did, over ten years ago, not too bad, I thought. ;-)

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That's excellent, Jim.

...... Kendra

I think you should do more painting - that's lovely :D

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Jim that looks great. I reminds me alot of a mermaid artist but I forget who. They also did very sexy, almost playmate like women. You might already know who I mean but I can't remember.

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Any possibility of there being a varient of the Lost Realms mertail that would have the porpoise type of horizontal, flat tail? And are the extra side fins morphable to gone, or able to be turned invisible. Speaking as a "typical sexist guy", the porpoise type tail at least is for a mammel (and so makes more sense to overly analytical guys), and guys would prefer to picture their hands being able to slide along the flanks without having to watch out for fin spikes in the way. ;-) Thanks, Steve

-"guys would prefer to picture their hands being able to slide along the flanks without having to watch out for fin spikes in the way. ;-)' hehe

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