I'm in the process of finishing up some products and am trying to determine just how important it is to continue supporting Poser 4... Which statement below best describes you? 0. "I only own Poser 1/2/3 - I should get something newer one of these days..." 1. "I only own Poser 4" 2. "I only own Poser 5" 3. "I only own Poser 6" 4. "I own multiple versions (some combination of the above) but still use Poser 4 exclusively." 5. "I own multiple versions (some combination of the above) but I use Poser 5/6 mostly now". 6. "Poser 4? what's that? Get with the program - P6 all the way!" Thanks ;).

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5 with an asterick. Although I mostly use Poser 5 (and growingly Poser 6), I still use Poser 4. As far as I can tell, Poser 4 items work nicely in Poser 5/Poser 6 so I still happily buy Poser 4 tested products.

5* *I keep P4 and PP around for plugin testing. :)

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Own 4/5/6, but only use P6.

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Only own 5/6...using 5 mostly still since the memory bug keeps getting me I guess. Something crashes 6 on me at least.

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5. I have versions 2 through 6 but only use 6 now. Once an upgrade comes, I can never go back. *P

1. "I only own Poser 4" So makers of content for the M3, Hiro, Luke, Matt, David, Aiko, SP, and Egyptian and Japanese themes, please keep your products P4 friendly. Thank you.:D bB

4. "I own multiple versions (P5 and PP) but still use Poser Pro exclusively."

There was a poll over at Daz about this, and almost 90% of the responses were for D|S and Poser 5 Poser 5/6 here, BTW...

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

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4. "I own multiple versions (some combination of the above) but still use Poser 4 exclusively."

Poser 4 Pro is probably the most stable of them all (so far) and I use it for developing characters/props/cloths etc. but Poser 6 may change my mind if it ever gets totally fixed. I hardly ever user Poser 5. It should of been called Poser 6 beta.

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I brokedown and finallly started using Poser5 (I bought it a while back and never used it) but i might go packt to the Propack.

Ask me a question, and I'll give you an answer.

I own P4, P4 ProPack, P5 and now P6. Up until April4th, I used P4 with ProPack only, as I really disliked P5. I was very surprised and happy when I did get P6, and that is what I will be using from now on. I have connected the libraries, or what-ever you call it, and everything that I have in my P4 library works perfectly in P6. I haven't tryed making a very large render, the one's that everyone is saying causes a "memory" problem, so I can't comment on that. I usually, Pose in Poser, and then Render in Vue. (:

5. Still mostly use P5, slowly learning the new tricks of P6. Wouldn't know what to do without dynamic cloth, raytracing and displacement mapping.

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5...WIll be deleting P5 off the machine once the mem bug has been cured...then exlcusively P6

1. LOL...I STILL use Pro Pack only and don't expect to change anytime soon...it does everything that I want

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1. here and don't see any reason to change at the moment.

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Short answer: PP. I own P4, PP, P5 and P6. (Heck, I might still have the P2 and P3 disks around somewhere.) For a lot of what I want to do, PP is the way to go. I mostly use Poser to simulate line art - heavy postworking in PS so neat stuff like HDRI isn't useful for me. The toon render doesn't do what I need, either. I'm going to start playing with P6 and for certain types of renders I may go that route, but at least for now, PP is still better because it's quicker to render. P4 is a dog and I wish CL had used PP as their "new" Poser Artist program. .bum files are horrible! P5 has a lot of stuff I don't use and is slower to use than PP. The P6 lighting interests me (point lights - happy dance!) but until I play with render options and look at speed issues, it won't be my primary render engine. Cheers!

5 is the closest. It's more like, "I own PP, P5, and P6, but never use PP any more."

Your choices didn't indicate a difference between Poser 4 and ProPack. If Poser 4 users are using Pro Pack, then we don't have to worry about .RSR and .bum files, do we? I don't own Pro Pack, but my understanding is that only Poser 4 and earlier use .bum and .RSR files. So if everyone is using Pro Pack and up, do we need to keep including .rsr files, and support for .bum in our MAT files.

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"5. "I own multiple versions (some combination of the above) but I use Poser 5/6 mostly now"." That best describes me. I use P5/P6 almost exclusively now. Never touch ProPack or P4 these days.

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4 - "I own multiple versions (some combination of the above) but still use Poser 4PP almost exclusively."

LOL! You made me remember, that I did have/used P3 too! LOL@ Me.

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you know my preferences, i guess heheh ;) i used to swear by pp, but now addicted to p6. i'm personally pondering continued support for p4 (for stand-alone stuff, depending on how poly-heavy the product is). i'm guessing that those still using p4 are the one with older computers that cannot meet the requirements for p5/p6. no reason not to support p4 unless the product requires high computer resources to use, i think. good poll, tho :)

P4 and easing slowly into P6

I also have the German version of P3 that I got free from a website that offered it as a promotion for P4...

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5. Using just P5 for the foreseeable future now. (I've owned P2-P5)

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" i'm guessing that those still using p4 are the one with older computers that cannot meet the requirements for p5/p6." Nope my computer would support P5 or P6, but I HATE learning new software so I stick with what I know. LOL

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0. I own Poser 1, 2 and 3. P3 still adequately meets my purposes, so no need to upgrade :-]

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I'll echo rockets comment...my 'puter can meet system requirements of P5 or P6 (at least I think it would...hehehe...2.4 GHz and 1GB RAM...is that enough for P6?)...I just don't need or want the complications of Poser versions newer than Pro Pack... as I said, Pro Pack is fast and does everything I really want

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Mine meets it as well .. I just like P4. I have P5 and P6 but I still most stuff in P4.

I have 4 & 5 and only use 4...but I just got 6 and it seems to run even better on my system than 4 ...if that contines I will be dumping 4 and using 6 exclusively..

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5. "I own multiple versions (some combination of the above) but I use Poser 5/6 mostly now".

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1. "I only own Poser 4" Poser 4 does what I need it to do (pose figures and export), but if I did rendering and scene construction in poser, I'd seriously look at P6.

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propack about 98% of the time- P5 occasionally when bored just to play with renders.

I just took Poser 4 off my pc and use Poser 6 now.

I loved Propack but...time moves on I guess.

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P4..I'm pretty much stuck with it..;) have poser 3, if you want ta know..;)

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I have Poser 5 and 6 but mostly use Poser 6 now.

5 Own 4/PP/5/6 Mainly use 6 now but have had need for 5 occasionally.

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5. "I own multiple versions (some combination of the above) but I use Poser 5/6 mostly now".

Note regarding Poser 4/PP support. If, as a merchant, you intend to support DAZ Studio, then, until the SDK is available, you need to support P4/PP. This will likely change once D|S is finalized, but the current clime of "wait until it's gold" is unwise in a business sense and hampers the appeal of the products. At this time, if you want to support D|S, though, you want to be sure the product works fully in P4/PP, because at the core level, that is the most basic functionality. It is inevitable, however, that there will soon be two versions of various products created, one for each of the two programs.

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4 for me - I own 4/PP and 5 (Mac)

I mostly render animations and 5 is too slow compared tto 4/PP (even using 4 compatibility)
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"i'm guessing that those still using p4 are the one with older computers that cannot meet the requirements for p5/p6. no reason not to support p4 unless the product requires high computer resources to use, i think."<< No, my computer can handle P6 (by it requirements) just fine, I use P4/PP out of choice.

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4 ............ and for sure I can meet the requirements for P5 !!!!!!!!!!

P2, P3, P4 and P5. I'm waiting for the guinea pigs to finish their paid beta-testing of P6. It should be a good bet for the smart money by SR4.

6 com'on P5 was too buggy and P4 is old news, it's completly off my drive now!

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5. Ocasionally P5 won't pull up a texture or gets stuck on an INJ. I can go to P4, save the character/object then bring it into P5. I REALLY want P6 but I am waiting a bit for the SR's to come out and the bugs get worked out.

I only have and use Poser 4 (no propak).

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1 for me. Would like to use the newest one but I know it would crash my comp..I just dont have the resources for it.

5. I only have P4 installed to make sure what I make works in all versions. P5/P6 most of the time.

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5. "I own multiple versions (some combination of the above) but I use Poser 5/6 mostly now". I keep Pro Pack for anything that might not work with P6. I really hope that new lady of yours is one of those up for release!

Only 4 and ProPack. Not going to 5 or 6.

5 - I'm trying to use on 6 but occasionally relapse back to 5. I still have 4 installed but I'm not sure why...

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4. "I own multiple versions (some combination of the above) but still use Poser 4 exclusively." If Poser 2 counts. It should be a trivial matter to include a P4 MAT file, just a quick hit with a search & replace utility for bitmap textures. It may be more work for procedurals. RSRs are a nice addition but I have to use P3DO to convert pngs all the time. It's a minor annoyance but not a deal killer. I don't think most people would avoid products that didn't include rsr and P4 MAT files but I'm sure some would, expecially if there's an equally attractive product that has 'em. If a product used procedural textures exclusively or mostly and had no bitmap equivalents, then I wouldn't get it. If it were really, really nice and had at least some generic bitmaps that I could modify, I might.

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4. I use P4 almost exclusively to import into other programs.

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5, I have P4 & P5 but I only use P5, I'll be changing to P6 in the next couple of months though :D can't wait!

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Another factor that should be considered in this is DAZ Studio ... which is basically Poser 4 compatible. Some people use that instead of any of the Poser versions, and they are also a market for content as well.

There is also a DAZ|Studio market for interPoser, believe it or not! The next version will contain an import for D|S-exported Wavefront .obj/.mtl using interPoser Ltd for C4D.

There is more in the works for DAZ|Studio support in interPoser, but can say no more (NDA) ...

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I have PP, P5, P6, Use P6 for simple stuff but mostly use PP - especially with larger scenes. I alse use Poser with Vue a lot. Richard

I have 3, 4 and 5 (all installed!) - I use 4 most of all. I only use 5 if I want the cloth room, or for finding out what all those nodes in the material room do. :)

own PPP and P5 but use PPP 90% of the time, and cant abandon it because many really beautiful items ive got (like anton's magik FX) dont come into P5 working properly like they do in PPP. In the inverse, many totally awesome items like the fairy glowball and Lava Troll P5 mats wont work in PPP at all, so im forced to use the platform that the item I want in a particular render demands I use.

5. I just moved the boxes of P4 and PP into the closet.

5. But I user P4 to add and remove injection morphs to and from Daz Mill figures because its quicker.

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5. I use mostly P5 but i have started to use P6 and i like it.

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P4 and PP. Will not move to P6, uses DAZ Studio depending on projects.

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1. P4 only and not likely to upgrade anytime soon.... :(

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P5, have boxed P6 but am returning it to CL.

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Anton's Magik FX work fine in P5 and P6. You just have to modify the ambient node slightly. (Didn't someone make P5 MAT files for this product? If not, someone should!)

I'm still using P4, considering upgrading to P6 after I hear more about it.

Still using Poser ProPack (I have 5 but never use it) and I purchased Shade 7 LE a while ago. Don't feel the need to upgrade.

2. "I only own Poser 5" But I will probably be upgrading to Poser 6 as soon as I know it will be worth it. I use a Mac and am waiting to hear how the next service release for Poser 6 goes.

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I develop my current projects in Poser4-ProPack, but am now going to expand them also for P6 optimizing as well. Rawn

1. Poser 4 (with ProPack) Mostly I just need to pose as I render elsewhere. I really like DAZStudio and if it had magnets or an equivalent I'd dump Poser altogether.

P6 will never replace P4, PP or P5. There's still too much old content being used for people to give up P4 or PP or even P5. P6 will not replace these versions anytime too soon so, it's a safe bet for you to continue making your content for P4. I not in any hurry to replace my PP.

I think it is interesting the seemingly large support p4/pp has in this thread yet when people were asked "what version do you use?" there seemed to be a majority P5 useres (before p6) I'm inclined to think it is the title "Who's Still using Poser 4?" that is causing the bias, which, if you dont use 4 you'd probably be less likely to look at this thread. The title could lead one to believe that the content creator is going to ask a question to people who use p4.

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misconception. Not everyone has upgraded. PP gets left in the dust because most of the threads on here now are P6 & P5. That doesn't mean people have given it up using it for one reason or another. ;)

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I have P5 and P6. I've already taken P5 off my computer.

p4. i bought lightwave instead of p5, so i only use poser for posing things. actually, i rendered basically in bryce before i had lightwave. i think p4 is fine if you don't plan on rendering in poser.

I have on PP, and 6. Poser 5 is my Siamese cats toy. So far I have not figured out why 6 has to be so damn hard to understand. I work with it almost every day and still understand very little. I have found it does well with Poser 6 products, but not the older ones. I will still be using Poser PP for a long time. Maybe it's my age??? but I can't see me deleting PP any time soon. by the way Jess knees are for crap in poses. makes me shudder.

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I am using Poser 4 with the Pro Pack, but am planning to get Poser 6 when I hear that the memory problem has been fixed. Jay

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6. "Poser 4? what's that? Get with the program - P6 all the way!" P4, PP, P5 and D|S is installed as well since I am a beta tester plus for my own stuff I need to verify that it works in every version. But for playing and rendering I only use P6, it's simply the best - has all the new neat stuff and is just as fast as PP, at least on my compy.

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4- Own Poser3 and Poser 4, use Poser 4 exclusively. Use Lightwave and Messiah for rendering and have no need or intention to upgrade to version 5 or 6.

only P4 - maybe one day I'll purchase P5 ... hehe ...

5. I have Poser 6 but can't use it with the memory bug, so am back to using 5 until they fix 6. I keep 4/PP on the computer for beta testing.

4. (Mostly, anyway) I also see this as an non-issue. For the near future, at least, I intend to create everything as a Poser 4 item, and add P5/P6 extras if they are really worthwhile, not just a sales feature. As Poser is backwardly compatable, everybody wins, no loosers. If you make P5/P6 only stuff you are narrowing you customer base.

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5. I own 4 & 5, but use 5 all the time now. I am happy with P5 and won't be upgrading to 6 anytime soon.

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5. Just too much stuff in external Runtimes to be able to use PP without a lot of effort.

I develop for P4 and add P5/P6 extras, so I use all 3 apps. I've also been making separate versions of each product for daz studio, - same product, different installer, but modifed to work correctly, and with small extras thrown in that poser won't do. As jim burton said, cut out the P4 users and you're losing a large customer base. Almost everything that's made for P5 will work in P4/PP, other than dynamic cloth or special shaders. mac

What's Poser 4? Never heard of it.......... P6. Until they start selling P7.

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7. I own Everything from P4 up but use primarily PP until I get the hang of P6 and eon updates Vue to work with P6 files. This is an essential point since I export the majority of my work to Vue for additional scene set up, lighting and rendering. P6 is nice, but until it's supported by the other programs I use, it's nothing more than a fancy toy so I still use ProPack for my "real" work.

5* - Only have P5 and P6 installed - still use P5 mostly.

2: Poser 5 owner. Have CL given up on "Poser Artist", then? I'll happily take P4-compatible texture-based conforming clothing and assign P5 shader trees to get the look I want. Note the .bum support can be done the DAZ way, supply a .jpg and instructions on how to convert.

There's still too much old content being used for people to give up P4 or PP or even P5.

But you can use P4 and PP content in P5 and P6. You sometimes have to adjust the textures a little, but backwards compatibility is pretty good. The existing content shouldn't stop anyone from upgrading. I use tons of P4 and PP models, but haven't actually used P4 or PP for a long time.

I think CL will be releasing "Poser Artist 2" soon. (IOW, Poser 5 in a new box.)

As far as old content is concerned, I think it matters more which figures are supported. I do a lot of stuff with "furry" figures, and many are based on older human figures such as Posette or Vicky 2.

P4, Pro Pack (I use it exclusively) and P6. Owned P5 -it sucked royally- so sold it. I don't use P6, just grabbed it for $100 when they frakked up on that sale :) I might learn it one day.

4. I have P4 and P6, but haven't started using P6 yet

ProPack, due to computer age and lack of $$ to upgrade no P6 and Winter Queen here :-(

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P4/PP. Why? Older system, no new system as yet. Am thinking of revamping old w/new motherboard, etc. Don't feel like I could invest in a completely new system at this time. Revamp could exceed a new system, with the right components,and cost a lot less.

Yes!!! between buying poser4,psp7, and lots of content and a new laptop to play them on......i'll never be able to upgrade thank god there are other freebie programs and ect... out there..
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Statement #1 - and that's not going to change for a very very long time!

P5 until I install P6. :) (and hopefully have no bug issues)

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Still hanging on to Poser 4.03 until such time that I am able to upgrade to Poser 5. Very satisfied with Poser 4. Can't really afford right now, but maybe in the future.

I used 4 for the most part, wasn't that keen on 5 but starting to use it more often. 6 I'm still exploring.

5. "I own multiple versions (some combination of the above) but I use Poser 5/6 mostly now". I stopped using P4 when I got P5 and will probably end up doing the same with P6 when CL finally have cured all it's little problems. But for the time being I'm using P5 and P6 about as much as each other.

I only use Poser 4, didn't like 5 and don't have much hope for 6.

#1 P4, now and always.

Or the painted clothing of P2 and P3? If users are holding fast like limpets to P4, then surely they prefer the older models? None of this strand-based hair or even transmapped hair... helmet hair is good enough and renders like a shot, too! And if the clothes are painted on, then there is no need to calculate the flow of cloth over skin or frown when skin pokes through conforming steel plate armor! Carolly

I only made a single pass and did not recheck so this tally may not be 100% accurate- close though. I was bored... P1,2,3 - 1 (.8%) P4 - 67 (56.8%) P5 - 30 (25.4%) P6 - 20 (16.9%) Note: 1- % is to nearest tenth hence missing .1% 2- Selection 5 does not distinguish between P5 and P6. I tallied those who chose this as P5 users (lowest common denominator) 3- if reply indicated multiple versions actually used regularly (as opposed to just being owned) each version was tallied 3- unclear replies were ignored - Jack