Attached Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20118&item=7314137455&rd=1

?! People buy THIS?!

goes selling default water surfaces on ebay

www.Bucketload3d.com - where cool freebies are ~(==^..^)

Just about anything sells on ebay...=)

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Vision is the Art of seeing things invisible...

It looks like Terragen to me. I often see those kind of clouds. It's going for almost $100. I should try to sell some of my stuff.

The only difference between that artist and most of us here is that he's actually put stuff out on ebay. I say goodluck to him. I'm in the same crowd as TobinLam "I really should sell some of my stuff" but never have.

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yeah, I even saw the Bryce SHINEYS there!!!! @TobinLam - good idea :) oops I mean that's VERY VERY bad idea (don't become my potential competitor) hehe ^_^

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Maybe because it's an Iris print,.......probably cost almost that much to print it.

"Any club that would have me as a member is probably not worth joining" -Groucho Marx

48" x 24" (120cm x 60cm) approx. We use Epson's groundbreaking UltraChrome inks which perfectly combine the benefits of dye-based and pigment inks.The inks are extremely resistant to light and water and give an incredibly broad spectrum of colours which are guaranteed for at least 75 years. This painting is printed onto premium quality photographic paper and mounted onto MDF. The finishing touch is the addition of a professionally cut glazed clear acrylic sheet which covers the entire work and is tastefully fastened at the corners. The finished product is modern and looks absolutely stunning as well as being virtually indestructible and more robust than the traditionally stretched canvas. ------ Pretty expensive by the looks of it.

Robert van der Veeke Basugasubasubasu Basugasubakuhaku Gasubakuhakuhaku!! "Better is the enemy of good enough." Dr. Mikoyan of the Mikoyan Gurevich Design Bureau.

"Sacrat: Maybe because it's an Iris print,.......probably cost almost that much to print it." "RobertJ: Pretty expensive by the looks of it." yes, that's what terrified me - the quality of the print doesn't match VERY well the quality of the image printed... Can I now print a 48" x 24" (120cm x 60cm) image of naked vicky? lying? (according to the print size ^_^)

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Oh that is a whole different matter. I do remember that students used to sell (so-called) works of art door to door to earn some extra money. The frame was usually more expensive than the work in it :) Maybe this is something like that ^__^

Robert van der Veeke Basugasubasubasu Basugasubakuhaku Gasubakuhakuhaku!! "Better is the enemy of good enough." Dr. Mikoyan of the Mikoyan Gurevich Design Bureau.

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Well, yeah, it's Terragen, for starters. And you'd be surprised what traditional artists charge for their work. OTOH, when you visit the site at the link and check Rick Berry's work - see "Iron Fawn" or "Red Prophet" in Androidae - the 99 pounds for clouds over water really seems quite excessive. Not to mention that Berry's prints are on rag, not on "photo paper" or "giclee printed", which is just a fancy name for a very good inkjet printer. PS. Yeah, I'm a fan of Berry, why do you ask? :-)

-- erlik

I must admit, that's a good looking portfolio

Robert van der Veeke Basugasubasubasu Basugasubakuhaku Gasubakuhakuhaku!! "Better is the enemy of good enough." Dr. Mikoyan of the Mikoyan Gurevich Design Bureau.

My word, could it be that the Bryce forum are actually starting to smell the roses, and see Bryce as a potential money spinner - "and" be proud of it! Sorry, but I just had to vent that one. Someone once said to me: "...it's as if the members of that Bryce forum are saying they're a bunch of skinflints, and proud of it..." or something along those lines. Those that are wise... will see an investment in their purchases, and make a return on their works in order to fund their hobby. Those that are not... will make the software publishers richer, and make themselfs poorer. @drawbridgep I hope you do decide to sell your work. You've clearly outgrown the basics of bryce - lord only knows what you'd do with a renderer like that of C4D or Lightwave. I say go for it, if you do, just think of the progress you'll make. @EveryoneReadingThis Make whatever money you can from Bryce, because it's makers will be making whatever money they can out of you. It's existence is purely? ...finish that one if you can, and THEN tell me I'm wrong!

The wait can be horrific, but the outcome can be worse - pumeco 2006

no..I really wouldn't be surprised..;) the site that got me here 'the ultimate collection of sci-fi and fantasy art' had beacoup artists' sites, and I saw everything from about $10.00-40,000.00 (yes, that's 4 zeros or is it 6?..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)

Wow... Have sold a few of mine,But not on Ebay... Hmmmmmm... 40G's for one of mine,Heck I'll Even throw in a ....NVIATWSSD...

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A print that size would cost around 75.00 just to get printed. If they self-printed it (which I highly doubt), it would be at least $20 for the paper itself, and a large print is going to drain your ultrachrome inks pretty fast :) Not to mention, 24" wide is up in Epson's large format printer categry, which means the printer itself has to be at least $9000. There are many kinds of art you can sell. Warhol sold silk screens of soup cans for millions. This person is selling terragen scenes for hundreds. Unfair? Not at all. Surprising? Not at all.

Aye, it's a really stupid image they're selling, but the print WOULD cost that much, at least. A few years back I commented on a particular member's Bryce image, and you know what? He actually MAILED me a 18x12 print, full-color, on photo-paper, from GERMANY! It's beautiful, much higher-quality than the garbage shown above, and when I got the tube in the mail I was ecstatic. I need to send him one of mine, it was a very kind and amazing thing he did for me for no profit whatsoever... Pumeco : "...clearly outgrown the basics of bryce - LORD only knows what you'd do with a renderer like that of C4D or Lightwave." Yes, I DO know what he'd do with those renderers! He'd ditch them and start using Maya w/ mental ray... (grins)

@LSD - Hah! C4D rules! especially with the AR module (grin)

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

@Linda - I'm not much of a Poser fan but I have seen it do amazing things. Your Rhino piece looks really good. As long as you stick to Poser and I stick to Bryce there shouldn't be any problems:-)

Aye, I tried it out, and just couldn't get into it's workflow. I also tried 3DStudio, Carrara (not really comparable, I know), Lightwave, and Animation:Master. None of them really flowed with me, I guess we're all just different... But, alas, for the record: mental ray smokes C4D, for rendering purposes. Only thing I've seen that might be comparable is Maxwell, which hasn't been integrated into software packages yet, that I know of... I don't believe that Cinema 4D uses photon-mapping, but I could be wrong. In this case, I'm trying not to be elitist, just an honest judge of the software's capabilities. Hell, for the price, Maya BETTER have good rendering capabilities! mental ray is NOT Mayan, but a third-party rendering engine which also ships with 3DStudio Max and of course with XSI, which I've never used. Still, for artistic purposes Bryce is VERY powerful. You can't animate much in it, but I use Bryce to make "artwork" (laugh if you will!), and not for technical crap. Bryce is still one of the most fluid and amazing ray-tracers available, and NOTHING beats the price and ease-of-use, and coupled with Bryce Lightning it's an amazingly fast renderer. I'll be using Bryce 5 until they make an enhanced version, be it 6, 7, or 9. (I personally think they should skip 8, Bryce 8 just doesn't flow off the tongue!)

I've actually printed one of my images at 36" x 24". It cost me $24.95 for one print and it looked gorgeous! Well worth it. @LSD...supposedly Maxwell is going to be making a plug-in renderer for Bryce. I hope that they do (and lower the price for it), 'cause Maxwell is a very nice renderer. I think they only have modules for Maya and...something else. I can't remember right now.

Yeah, a big size print, A1 or B2, costs around 20 dollars here on a big Epson printer and photo matte paper. If I did a bigger series it would cost less. @ Pakled; Slawek Wojtowicz really has the ultimate collection of SF art on the Internet. :-)

-- erlik

Those that are not... will make the software publishers richer, and make themselfs poorer.

Yess, right.........

Robert van der Veeke Basugasubasubasu Basugasubakuhaku Gasubakuhakuhaku!! "Better is the enemy of good enough." Dr. Mikoyan of the Mikoyan Gurevich Design Bureau.

@Incarnadine

I agree, C4D rules! I've got 8.5 + Advanced Render module which I gotta say, is really deep.

@lordstormdragon

"But, alas, for the record: mental ray smokes C4D, for rendering purposes."

When I was using version 6, I'd be inclined to agree with you - but not anymore. The Advanced Render module is really impressive, and I've yet to find "any" effect that can't be achieved with it.

lsd, you really should take another look at it, because if you're judging it from say, version 6, 7, or even 8 basic, you'll see it's a totally different beast now. Not only that, it's pretty swift as well.

@RobertJ

Hmmm... it's true I tell ya.

The wait can be horrific, but the outcome can be worse - pumeco 2006

Mental ray, Renderman andf a couple of others do have a few edges AR does not (yet) but they are stand-alone renderers and you must transfer the file to them via plugin and re-materialize to a certain degree. AR is integrated as the native renderer of Cinema4D (and a hell of a lot cheaper too!). Part of the problem with Maxwell for me is that it is not fast (accurate yes, but takes time) and it does not allow you to break reality in terms of lighting (i.e. all the things AR lets you do such as allow certain lights illumination to see or not see certain objects). Enough about C4D, this is the bryce forum so please don't get me wrong, I am not in any way knocking Bryce. To my mind bryce is the best value for making 3d art in the world and it is still on my machine and used. I personally hope it is around for a long time and continues to evolve. Richard

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

Aye, mental ray IS a standalone renderer, but it is fully integrated inside of Maya as of version 5. I use version 6.5 Unlimited now, and it's quite devastating. Although it IS a plugin, you don't have to transfer anything around in Maya, and you don't have to rematerialize anything anymore, Incarnadine... I've read that XSI is even better at it's implementation, but you're wrong about mental ray in this regard... But I totally agree with you about Bryce! And I stand by them needing to skip version 8...!

8 is a lucky number in china so I think we should go to version 8 right away. Use the tools that work for you. Some of the programs mentioned are too rich for my blood.

The wit of a misplaced ex-patriot.
I cheated on my metaphysics exam by looking into the soul of the person next to me.

Every number is a lucky number, to someone. I've always been a big advocate of prime numbers, myself!

So noted, sounds like they have got their acts together then (at least since I was looking at them).

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

So lsd, do you make any money from your "expensive" Maya/MentalRay setup - models...images...?

I mean, I haven't seen any of your Maya stuff yet, but those mystical "dream-like" works you did in Bryce recently, would look great as prints - so why not sell them?

What's the point in having a hobby, that CAN pay for itself, but doesn't out of choice?

Did you really go to the expense of Maya/MentalRay just for self gratification, because if you did, then surely you must have money to burn (no dragon pun intended).

The wait can be horrific, but the outcome can be worse - pumeco 2006

Aye, I sell prints of my artwork, but it's expensive to print. Mostly, I do business graphics. Photoshop stuff, and when I'm lucky I can add my own stuff into it all. Rhino work, gearing up for some rapid-prototyping (jewelry), and designing advertising material for local exteriors company. Just like Rhino, Maya is something the people I work with thought would benefit them, so they gave me free reigns... Really, if you want to go career with 3D graphics, you have to learn one of the high-end packages. 3DStudio Max, Maya, XSI, or Lightwave, although Cinema4D is becoming more popular as it grows in power. So, the powers that be asked which one was the best for photo-realism, and after some careful 25 years of research I pointed them towards Alias' offering. Has it paid for itself...? The average window-installation around here is $10,000. Average permanent (vinyl) siding job is $20K. Permanent steel-shingle roofing is closer to $30K. Considering we manage 50 of these projects a month, software to make photo-realistic window renderings for their ads is just a drop in the bucket. One day I hope to be able to re-texture homes on the fly and present potential clients with full-on renditions of what their new siding could look like on THEIR house, and that will really be fun! My jewelry cohorts aren't quite so lucrative or wealthy, but it'll pick up speed once we get to the first "harvest". (casting)

Oh, so it's your place of work then, that has all this hi-tech - that's cool.

I suppose when you go to work it's like you never left home, playing with 3D here AND there!

Anyway, point is, you're making money from it, I say good on ya ;-)

The wait can be horrific, but the outcome can be worse - pumeco 2006

@Pumeco: Something bothering you?

Robert van der Veeke Basugasubasubasu Basugasubakuhaku Gasubakuhakuhaku!! "Better is the enemy of good enough." Dr. Mikoyan of the Mikoyan Gurevich Design Bureau.

I have a hobby that does not in any way pay for itself (Ok, the compensation is not monetary.) I do it purely for the pleasure of creating work and giving it away to people who have an appreciation for it. I used to do graphic arts in a commercial job printing company for a living (paid for part of my university that way) but found I wasn't doing MY artwork at the end of the day. Now I do what I want, when I want and only have to please myself. (I work as an aerospace design engineer, also something I enjoy bigtime, so I have this luxury.) Thanks for the background LSD.

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

@RobertJ Errr...I'm sure I don't know what you mean :-D

The wait can be horrific, but the outcome can be worse - pumeco 2006