I just bought "Real World Bryce 4" it is close to 1000 pages and sure has helped me understand things the manual never explained very well, I am almost ready to actually do some images in bryce now. I strongly reccomend that newbies get a caopy of the book and plan to spend a few weeks reading. Susan Kitchens and Victor Gavenda really did a wonderful job on this one. if anyone has any other books they can recomend to this newbie please feel free to pass the titles along. All this powerful software is pretty intimidating :) Weslok