Well not all of us have that unlimited money well in our back yards. But not to be disenlightened. With many of the low-priced alternatives out there, some amazing things can be done. I believe that it really is the talent of the user that makes a render. I've seen many a high-end, high-priced programs churn out some really awful stuff. And on the other hand , I've seen some absoutley blow your socks off renders done in the most surprizing programs, some which are free. So it really take the the user to find out how to stretch the capabilities of the program to do great things. though it does help to have a great program to begin with, but not nessasary. Programs like Poser 4 really can be tapped to the maximum to create things that one would think came from a higher end program. Though limited, Poser when pushed, will produce some very high-quality renders. It just takes the right eye, a few good textures, and some nice lighting. So don't be disheartened by the renders shown done in other programs that you can't afford. You still have great power with Poser 4. And who knows, we just may win the lottery and be able to buy all these programs. But just think how much better we will be when we do, because we know how to push the envelope on the programs we have. This render took me all of 20 minutes from start to the web. James