ek-art opened this issue on May 01, 2005 ยท 31 posts
ek-art posted Sun, 01 May 2005 at 7:59 AM
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foleypro posted Sun, 01 May 2005 at 8:05 AM
Yep... Make a Fire out of Metaballs then Group them all together...?
ek-art posted Sun, 01 May 2005 at 8:39 AM
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foleypro posted Sun, 01 May 2005 at 8:47 AM
Try changeing the Phase and Noise and Maybe Multiply the settings by 50%...Maybe try Random Mapping Mode...?
ek-art posted Sun, 01 May 2005 at 9:02 AM
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foleypro posted Sun, 01 May 2005 at 9:08 AM
Add More MetaBalls and go Back to a Cubic or World Mapping...? I am off to work will be back later... Go and Get Bauments Fire from his site and Ungroup and add Clays frie to the Flames then Regroup the Flames as a group then group the whole Fire again...
Nicko15 posted Sun, 01 May 2005 at 11:23 AM
I would suggest using several cones of varying height and size. Also, to improve this you could put a light in the fire and add some smoke. Good luck
tjohn posted Sun, 01 May 2005 at 12:41 PM
I like the first one best. Agree with Nicko about the light and smoke.
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Lzy724 posted Sun, 01 May 2005 at 1:19 PM
I like the first one best too, also, I would make the ones in the distance small, they look the same size..making them smaller would make it more realistic showing them in the distance.
FranOnTheEdge posted Sun, 01 May 2005 at 4:01 PM
Oh wow, Nice idea! I love playing with fire. (off to play with fire)
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shinyary2 posted Sun, 01 May 2005 at 11:06 PM
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FranOnTheEdge posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 6:39 AM
shinyary2, Oh, please, do post your final image, I'd love to see what the whole thing looks like now. Pretty please? I hope you didn't mind me 'borrowing' your idea for playing with fire, I've had such fun with it. But I really like that darker smokey effect you have, please let us see? Fran
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FranOnTheEdge posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 6:44 AM
AS, Density, quality and fuzziness - oh, I never thought to play with that! Thanks AS.
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AgentSmith posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 7:00 AM
shinyary2... "Doesn't look exactly photorealistic but maybe if you played around a bit you could get better results" I disagree, your process looks VERY nice. To have a good lit torch reference I threw in some midevil movie DVD into the player and looked at their torches on pause. Fire looks WAY less dramatic when paused. WAY less. AS
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shinyary2 posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 9:38 AM
Well... thanks. Seeing as how I usually have a bit of time between images (all of two days! =P) I'll consider reposting the better one. Maybe I'll try to improve it somewhat; I was happy with it at the time but now I look back and it's "augh!! What was I thinking!?!?" Not that my current images are that much better, lol. Thanks
ek-art posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 12:39 PM
Thanks to all of you for your advice! I really have to learn to do postworking some day - hopefully The Gimp will do... I'll play around with the fire and probably ask for help again :)
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FranOnTheEdge posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 3:09 PM
shinyary2, Oo, ooh yeah... when, when? (jumping up & down in excitment) gg
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FranOnTheEdge posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 3:13 PM
ek-art, ooops, it was YOUR idea I started playing with, geeze I hope you didn't mind? It was such a nice idea, I just couldn't resist. And when are YOU posting your wip in it's current state? I'd like to see how it's progressing. BTW, are you using dishes for the distant fires, or is it just cones of fire? What is going to happen next in your image? Will there be people? Temples?? what? I'm dying to know, so do tell. Fran
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ek-art posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 5:50 PM
Fran, Don't mind you playing with "my" idea, just happy to bring inspiration of any kind :) Distant fires are cones too - until I get it right. No people - I don't have Poser and trashed Studio as it didn't work after several downloads and reinstalls... A temple, hmm, already thought about that! But progressing is slow... tried out the metaball trick. Last night I was spoon-fed by Xenic101 for hours and my fire still didn't look like his. Today I tried the technique AS described earlier in the thread, but I can see the edges of the spheres and that's not nice at all. Tried to make a fire from a Brycetech tut, and it won't render :( So at the moment I'm kinda lost... Will post whenever I make any progress at all (if I do)
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FranOnTheEdge posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 6:00 PM
ek-art, Fires do seem to be tricky, don't they? I thought I had that one sussed, until I did a render at higher resolution and that's when the little lines appeared. "Distant fires are cones too - until I get it right." Yeah, cones for the fires, but are the distant fires sitting in dishes or are the fires just... there? I mean I can't SEE the distant dishes so I wondered if they were actually there, but just out of sight or just left to the imagination of the viewers? I was wondering because I'm inclined to put in detail like that and then wonder later if I shouldn't take it out, when it can't actually be seen, to reduce the size of the bryce file... Fran
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ek-art posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 6:38 PM
Fran, The distant fires are just cones with a fire material - not sitting in anything, just lowered into the terrain.. not too professional, I'm afraid ;) they don't look too bad at a distance, I think. The haze covers up the fact that it's only cones, though the size isn't right. I had one more to start with, further away, but it didn't show so I deleted it. Btw, I'm so impressed with your fire! This is my first attempt and yes! VERY tricky...(just about to give up)
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FranOnTheEdge posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 6:55 PM
My fire is probably way more complex than yours - I got rather carried away and just kept adding metaballs, spheres, cones, cylinders, spheres, metaballs, metaballs oh yes - and spheres! gg It's a real wireframe mess in there by now, but so long as I don't mess up the (totally accidental) face in the flames, the nice blue fire effects and can get rid of the nasty dotted lines - I MAY end up happy... (doubtful expression) I have just the one radial light in there at the moment but people have mentioned multiple lights, so if I can stand all the waiting (days probably!) while a tiny bit renders for me to check progress, I may even add more little radials... It's a good job the campfire is burning at night - hides any imperfections (lots!) in the rest of the landscape. (snigger)
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shinyary2 posted Tue, 03 May 2005 at 2:00 PM
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FranOnTheEdge posted Tue, 03 May 2005 at 3:40 PM
That's great, thanks. I like all of it... the fire being particularly good. Just one query. Are those birds or aircraft in the sky in the centre of the image? If air craft, then fine... but if birds... Well it just looks odd for every bird to be flying in the exact same direction. Are they aircraft?
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shinyary2 posted Tue, 03 May 2005 at 3:44 PM
Hehe no they're supposed to be bats. They were entirely postwork, literally thrown in at the last moment for no real reason. This is another part of the image that falls under the "Augh! What was I thinking?!?!" category (all modifications for the better version were made in postwork). So, no, they're not aircraft, lol =) Cheers
FranOnTheEdge posted Tue, 03 May 2005 at 7:09 PM
Well actually I did wonder about bats, fits the mood better. You might need one a bit closer to the camera so you can more easily see just what it is. Just IMO. I wish I could do an image with such a sense of mood. (envious)
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shinyary2 posted Tue, 03 May 2005 at 7:14 PM
Unfortunately the bats are entirely postwork, and I suck at hand-drawing things completely from scratch. I did try to have one resting on the wall, but I couldn't get it the way I wanted it and so I scrapped it. In other words, it was both SNAFU and FUBAR lol EDIT: BTW I've submitted a tutorial that describes in depth my method of fire-creating. Assuming of course it gets approved by the mods.
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FranOnTheEdge posted Tue, 03 May 2005 at 7:54 PM
Oh that'll be interesting, thanks. I was going to suggest using a free model of a bat - but the only one I could find when searching for one costs $43. Phew! I'm sure it can't be that hard to make one in say Wings 3D, might be worth asking in the R'osity Wings forum.
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shinyary2 posted Tue, 03 May 2005 at 9:14 PM
Hmm didn't have Wings at the time... good idea though. Now you've got me thinking. Umm... the main trouble would be the face, bats have very complex faces. I'm sure the wings wouldn't be too hard (how hard can it be when your program is called "Wings"--yup bad pun sorry about that). The body also likely wouldn't cause too many problems. Thanks
FranOnTheEdge posted Wed, 04 May 2005 at 8:08 AM
I'm going to have a go at making a bat in Wings - but for a bat shape in the distance in the sky, you wouldn't need any detail in the face - just the shape.
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