Well they don't even suggest it, they strongly recommend it. I've purchase Bryce 5.5, I know, it's a stupid thing to do, but for the price I've paid for it I couldn't resist it. Wanted to load some poser stuff into Bryce 5.5. Of course with the help of DAZ Studio. But DAZ studio doesn't open a number of my pz3 files and it seems like I'm not the only one having that problem. Here's what DAZ strongly suggested, just get rid of Poser and redo all of my scenes in D/S and then it's no problem. D/S almost has all of the features Poser has and is much easier to use. Drop Poser 6 as my main development tool? D/S almost having all of the features that are in P6? D/S much easier to use? Are these people for real...... I love Poser 6 it's been a great blessing to me and the only thing I'm getting rid of will be Bryce 5.5 Imo opinion if you're looking for a 3D landscape application, don't look at Bryce, but try Vue 5 instead.

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It's just Daz trying to push people to use (and eventually buy) DAZ Studio as opposed to Poser 6. It stinks, and I really despise Daz's tance on this: they're basically using their monopoly on the low-end world creation software amrket to try and get a monopoly on the poser market as well. I'll be damned if I'm gonna drop Poser. Besides, Studio simply isn't good enough.

heh. of course they would suggest DS. As for dropping Bryce, I wouldn't be so rash in my decision. It's a good tool with just a number of small bugs. And nobody's forcing you to use DS, just put a little brains into the import process and do it manually. Thanks, Drac

Brother. I bought the starter bundle last year, so have a $30 off coupon, but I'm not at all tempted by Bryce 5.5. DAZ just hasn't convinced me that they'll be able to make D|S and Bryce competitive with Poser and Vue.

they're basically using their monopoly on the low-end world creation software amrket to try and get a monopoly on the poser market as well.

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what?

Use DS exclusively? Hehehehe, good choice until you need a cr2 for The Tailor or magnets to fit something.

I must remember to remember what it was I had to remember.

"Hehehehe, good choice until you need a cr2 for The Tailor or magnets to fit something." The way I understand it, you will be able to do that in DS when you buy the addon packs. The base will be just that, a base. All the needed extras to get it close to Poser will cost you.

If you are refering to the comment by MallenLane in the Bryce forum at DAZ, it was a personal remark not an official statement and was talking about preparing scenes for Bryce - he's well aware that things like magnets, dynamic hair and clothing, some material functions and so on are not in D|S (at least not yet) but since they don't work in Bryce either that isn't relevant to this particular situation. And just a reminder that DAZ are continuing to say the base D|S (what we have in beta right now) will be free, so they don't stand to profit directly from its adoption. (also a personal, not DAZ, comment.)

"And just a reminder that DAZ are continuing to say the base D|S (what we have in beta right now) will be free, so they don't stand to profit directly from its adoption." Yes and No. Yes, the base will be free. No, Daz will make a major profit off of this. DS and Bryce working together. Think of all the special extras that they will sell for both apps. Don't get me wrong, it's their apps, they can do what the want. I do think it was a mistake to push Poser users out of the way by making them go the long way around to use Bryce. I'm sure some brain will create a python script that will do this for us poser users someday and we can skip this app that is being force feed down our throats. I too bought Bryce 5.5. It cost me under $20. I may be crazy but I'm not stupid. I can create all the scenes I want and put them into poser/shade a hell of a lot easier than the Daz way.

I had made the decision not to buy Bryce5.5. For me is the Poser5/6+Vue5 (Infinite) combination the better choice. Mazak

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Not a complete pz3 solution but one could always create the character, pose , clothe etc in Poser, export as an .obj and the use Grouper 1.4 to collect all the materials needed for Bryce and finish the scene in Bryce. Just pointing out an alternative for what evere it's worth.

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I have D/S Bryce Poser6 and Vue5 pro, and i think i will stick with P6 and V5, why, cause they do it better, the only thing i pop over to daz for are the content, (ie v3, M3, Aiko3,SP3,GIRL, etc...) I think Daz is still pretty cheesed off that CL never bought into Daz'z figures to start with (think they went with Zygote)...lol... How long before CL stops other stand alone rendering software from using it's format to do the same job? And the war continues...

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I like the way Daz implemented studio and bryce together :) Things import really fast! But at the same time, if you don't want to use DS, there is a product here and at poserpros called texture extractor, that will take your stuff into bryce with ease ;o)

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"Here's what DAZ strongly suggested, just get rid of Poser and redo all of my scenes in D/S and then it's no problem. D/S almost has all of the features Poser has and is much easier to use." AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH! OH MY! Shees... :P Yeah. Right. Well, I would like to remeber them that using drugs is still a crime in the US... ;) "I do think it was a mistake to push Poser users out of the way by making them go the long way around to use Bryce." I bought Bryce 5, and I have the 30$ discount coupon too, but it was just this attitude toward the end-user that made me buy Vue4 then upgrading to 5...

Things I post, when I post, are my opinions. I don't live near, or work in the office, so I offer no glimpses of official company policy. Frankly because I wouldn't know about them anyway. Everything you read is mine alone. I suggested you could possibly get around the PZ3 import issues you were having by building the scene in D|S. I don't think that constitutes me saying anything about dropping Poser. Personally I haven't had any problems importing PZ3s.

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... or maybe i'm just an idiot... 'twas my understanding that zygote were the creators of the original poser figures, up to p4 or p5, before dissolving their partnership with cl and forming their own company, daz3d. or something along those lines.... perhaps it was back when metacreations owned poser... i never use daz studio. i tried it once for about an hour just cause i got an e-mail about it that said it was free. it sat on my hard drive collecting cyber dust and i don't even think i installed it on my new system. shrugs E.D.

You're not an idiot. AFAIK, DAZ spun off from Zygote to cater to the masses while Zygote caters to the high end. I do not know if there are any ties between the two anymore, ownership-wise.

I think we might eventually see P5/6 support from Daz. But who knows..maybe not.

Daz is a Poser store. Unless you can rig directly in Studio, Daz will always be a Poser store. And that will likely mean eventual Poser6 support. It will be interesting to see more Bryce brokers emerge but are a bit stuck if people can't use their latest figures in it, Poser customers won't be interested in the new bryce products..

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of Studio but it is taking too many years to finish it. After three years, I've given up waiting for the hopes to rig in it. As a content person, it is pretty much useless to me. All the cool stuff shader stuff is in P5/P6 format.

They can duplicate/incorporate stuff they buy into Studio like Face-offs scripts. But with something like Bryce I don't see how they can avoid supporting P6. Maybe they are going to merge them into Daz's Bryce Studio (StudioBryce, BryceSTudio).

In the meantime, it would be awesome if Daz worked with Cl to develop a proper P6importer. Poser4 is old. Unless they get Studio finished, Bryce will become a bit stagnant without the latest pz3's and figures being able to go into it.

CL has released Poser 5 and 6 and yet no final official Studio. Now they have Bryce on their plate... I wish they would focus. They really need to finish Studio with rigging tools a.s.a.p before the window is gone forever. Studio is a really cool idea but Poser 6 is now.

Poser/Shade is kinda liek Bryce/Studio right? Shade is a rendering enviornment liek Studio? Can shade do what Bryce does? I dunno, it is all very complicated. But with background shader, etc wouldn't it be better to import into Poser/Studio istead of the other way around? I haven't used Bryce in years but I only used it for the shaders which you can to in Poser now. If people buy Bryce to render better than P4, the P6 ugrade has alot more content and just a bit more money. I dunno enough about Bryce/Shade/ or Vue. But I really really love Poser6. And I was a P4 diehard. Maybe PoserPython can make a terrain generator. Between that and the background shaders you can do the same in Poser? Face-off has done a python interface, can't someone make sky/background interface?

OT: I wish there were more Poser6 merchants selling commercial material nodes. I buy little, but would jump on that.

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>Maybe they are going to merge them into Daz's Bryce Studio (StudioBryce, BryceSTudio). This will probably piss a few people off but i'm gunna put it up anyway. I got Bryce 5.5 (for 14.97 can ya blame me?) and installed it and got this message.

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Requires? Why does it require it? I thought Bryce was a stand alone?

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I won't be getting it either. I figured DAZ would screw up Bryce but I didn't think they would go that far.

screwed up bryce? by adding a button that launches D|S? It costs you a bit of disk space. What a horrable price to pay. oh, well, to each their own. guess i just saved DAZ from dealing with as many returns :P

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Interesting. Forced to install something I don't want in order to run another app. Nah. Tyger_purr, thanks for posting that tid bit. As far as the button---Shade?

I must remember to remember what it was I had to remember.

I have a feeling Daz took care of that all on their own, it should not "require" you to have something installed you never use, when you are a poserhead disk space is valuable

" it should not "require" you to have something installed you never use " Just the attitude I mentioned earlier... "You will like Daz Studio... or else!"

Been Dazed and confused... thanks for posting. I saw very good things done in Bryce, but if this is the road towards its future, then no. Not even free.

Hummm...maybe someone can come up with a fix for Bryce requiring Studio like they did for Poser to remove Content Paradise.

At the start of the installation of Studio, just press cancel when you are asked where you want it installed. Then you end up having just Bryce installed. Bryce runs fine without Studio. This is just DAZ trying to make sure that everybody tries Studio.

Actually, the marrage of Bryce and D|S works very well. Before knocking it, try it. I installed D|S once about 5 months ago. Haven;t tried it since, because I mainly develope, and P5 worked just fine for my needs. I loaded bryce 5.5, and tinkered with it some, and wanted to see how fast I could import poser content. Loading D|S took about 10 seconds. I didn't have any linked runtimes, so I had to root around, and find one suitible. Once I did, I selected a base character, and loaded him into DS. I didn't even bother to use dials, I just reposed the character some, and then elected to back to bryce, and Bam! There was my posed character! I hadn;t saved any files, or anything, I just switched back. And you can tinker in bryce, and go BACK to DS at any time to readjust a pose or such. In this case, I'd say DS is an excellent poser "room" for Bryce, and well worth my HD space!

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

Anyone else notice they haven't offered an upgrade path from Bryce 4 - to 5.5. Is it wise to shut the door on past users...?

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I thought they opened that door when they did the bundle last year? (Can't really remember though...)

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

What you have to think about is with the demise of Metacreation and their products being spread to the wind, so to speak quite a few people sat back to see what would happen. Wise in a few cases - RDS (Another 5.5 that left a lot of folk hanging when we were promised much) went all together to be replaced by Carrara, but that seems to have worked out. Canoma - well most likely a lot of the members here wouldn't have heard of it. Bryce - changed hands twice now, For Daz to offer a bundle last year just after aquiring a product that Corel sold off didn't inspire confidence at the time. Poser - look how many folk sat back on P4 / Pro Pack to see what direction that went. Just be nice to see Daz encourage people back into the fold...

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And they DID offer upgrades to their Bryce 5.1, but because users had a lack of confidence, they chose to ignore the upgrade path. So now that there are some nice new features, Daz should extend an offer again, to appease people who were dissing them last year? (Oh, and BTW, many people reported their TOTAL cost for the new Bryce upgrade was $15, AND they got a voucher for $10 off something for the next week. So their final actual cost then is $5 For Bryce 5.5) So how long do they have to continue offering upgrades? Hasn't it been almost 8 YEARS since bryce 4 was released? And how do you then verify that they actually bought Bryce 4? I'm sure 1/2 of the serial numbers and records have been lost to time by now. IMHO, Daz has been more then reasonable, and the current discounts they are giving to the early Bryce 5.1 package adopters almost borders on insane.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

How do you get it for $15. I might jump at that.

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'low-end world builder'..I should take umbrage at that (what I'd do with an umbrage once I had one, I don't know..;) Hmm..sounds like the usual startup 'gamma tester' bug fixes that need to happen before i'd consider it..

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"At the start of the installation of Studio, just press cancel when you are asked where you want it installed. Then you end up having just Bryce installed. Bryce runs fine without Studio. This is just DAZ trying to make sure that everybody tries Studio." I've done that and guess what..... D/S will still be installed. Not the content, but the main program will still be there. Why? Because Bryce 5.5 isn't a standalone anymore. it's completely integrated with D/S and personally I don't like that. For me D/S just isn't working at all. Quite a number of poser scenes just don't open well at all in D/S, if they even open at all. If they do open it takes over 20 mins for them to open, while it just takes minutes in P5 or P6. Besides that I'm even wondering why DAZ is charging us for the upgrade. They've done so little to it and most of it doesn't even work well at all (just check out the Bryce forums). They should have called it Bryce 5.2 as far as I'm concerned. These are the main new features: New in version 5.5! Dramatic Render Speed Increase: Render your favorites scenes over 30% faster on average with no image quality loss at all! Sounds great but I have yet to see it. It's already been stated that people with a non multithreaded single AMD cpu are very unlikely to encounter much a render speed improvement at all. (I'm one of the people owning such a cpu) New in version 5.5! DAZ|Studio Character Plug-in - easily load and edit thousands of 3D figures, vehicles, wildlife and more. It's not a plugin at all, it's complete integration..... easy? Are they kidding? New in version 5.5! Enhanced OpenGL Support - see, in real time, the texture maps applied to objects in your scene in 8 different display styles. OpenGL? I'll pass, where the switch off OpenGL button, it's my favourite feature in any 3D application. New in version 5.5! Bryce Lightning 2.0 - With a new interface, this network render application speeds up processing time by utilizing advanced image compression for improved rendering over either a Local Area Network (LAN) or a Wide Area Network (WAN). Doesn't excite me at all. Don't have a network (yet), will build one in the Summer, but I doubt the other pc connected will be suitable for rendering at all. At the moment DAZ also offers the Bryce 5.5 Content Kit: Volume 1 with Bryce 5.5. It's over 200Mb download size and it's pretty much un-usable. Some of the object included take ages to load, don't look that great at all and the presets are well.... I'd better not comment on it. It looks like some amateurs have put this thing together. That's my final conclusion of Bryce 5.5 as well, it looks like some amateurs have put this thing together.... I'm about the hit the uninstall button and ask for a refund (or sell it to someone who likes it). Is DAZ really thinking that this can replace the Poser - Vue combination? Not in a million years.....

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zulu9812, Cool. I went to look but the store crashes my browser these days. What is the $30 3D Starter Bundle voucher? Is that something you get for free after joining?

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How do you get it for $15. I might jump at that. plat club discount -30% upgrade discount $20 content bundle discount $30 plat club monthly voucher $5 Out of pocket price $14.96 then you have a $10 voucher good for 1 week and a coupon for %50 off a purchace of daz original product(s) >What is the $30 3D Starter Bundle voucher? It was a bundle of D|S products they were selling last september (i think) that included a $30 off B5.5 when it came out, poser version of all the content and i think it also had a voucher too. I belive this http://www.daz3d.com/shop.php?op=itemdetails&item=2635 is the content that was in the bundle, but it no longer comes with the B5.5 discount.

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thanks aeilkema , i for one appreciate the honesty

oh okay. thanks!

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Hmm..sounds like the usual startup 'gamma tester' bug fixes that need to happen before i'd consider it.. We should all be used to that. ;) It'll be interesting to see how DAZ Studio/Brice pans out. Gotta admit, I've been pissed at CL before, but have yet to be dissapointed by DAZ.

Is Daz going to bite off more than it can chew? I ask this because they seam to be putting their eggs in multiple baskets, ie, Poser software (Daz Studio) Bryce (Terrain software) and content. not many companys can say they are master of many, and some how i don't think Daz will pull all of it off. To that end i prefer the CL approach of letting other companies produce the additions like terrain software, take for instance Vue5 infinate which far more advanced in what it can do, or is daz going to add trees that can grow and blow in the wind during animation? hmmm... it's alot to ask.. And with the addition of Shade now on CL's books will Daz be looking to buy an advance 3d AP?...DAZ 3ds Max maybe???? lol... who knows what would i like??? For Daz to concentrate on making the best 3d content and Figures for poser, but im sure one day (and probably soon) the new Daz figures won't be compatible with Poser.... and then where will we go????

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Besides that I'm even wondering why DAZ is charging us for the upgrade.

My guess would be, "Because they need the money." Which is also why they had that strange "starter bundle" offer last year. At first, they told everyone that the only way to get upgrade pricing was to buy the starter bundle - IOW, put a deposit down, months ahead of time, before the final product or price was known. (People were less than thrilled at that, so changed the terms a bit, and released more info about Bryce 5.5.)

What I wonder is why they are calling it Bryce 5.5. I think people expect to get a .5 upgrade for free. They should have called it Bryce 6. Or Bryce 5 Pro. Something like that. :-)

What is this? I'm sorry I am out of the loop not being online for awhile. Do you need this too? Is the beta still available for Studio? I can't find it anywhere. use to be in my available downlaods but that page is empty.

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Just a last comment.... this for sure was the last DAZ hype I've fallen for. I'm not going to spent anymore money there or fall for the hypes again. "For Daz to concentrate on making the best 3d content and Figures for poser, but im sure one day (and probably soon) the new Daz figures won't be compatible with Poser.... and then where will we go????" Honestly, I couldn't care less if they'd do that. All of the content I own is more then enough for me

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Anton, if you go to the Studio software page, you can send the download to your account.

Anton, D|S is still available. Look under the "new to DAZ" tab. The Turbo import was a plugin that let you import Poser figures to D|S, and thence to Bryce. Dunno if it's still needed for Bryce 5.5.

It was a way to import D|S export formated OBJs into Bryce. Its not needed in 5.5.

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(Oh, and BTW, many people reported their TOTAL cost for the new Bryce upgrade was $15, AND they got a voucher for $10 off something for the next week. So their final actual cost then is $5 For Bryce 5.5)

Show me where I can get it for $15 - not $99 and I may be interested, if I don't have to buy a pack that is no longer available or join a club that costs me $X per month.

So how long do they have to continue offering upgrades? Hasn't it been almost 8 YEARS since bryce 4 was released?

No was released about the same time as Poser 4 I think

And how do you then verify that they actually bought Bryce 4? I'm sure 1/2 of the serial numbers and records have been lost to time by now.

CL didn't seem to have a problem verifing Poser 4 serial numbers for the upgrade to Poser 6. Come to think of it Eovia didn't have a problem with serial numbers either.

I am really sorry Garree that you have taken such a defensive stance on this - my last thought was to enrage you.

I will just bow out of this gracefully - I again appologize for stiring up your sensitivity.

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Here's a link to activate the latest version of studio in your account downloads. I'm just going to add a little bit of my opinion, then, watch this thread now and again. Honestly, dropping a program because you couldn't use it the way you wanted to the first time is a bad reason. Remember the first time you got Poser, Bryce, or, really, any program the first time, and tried to use it without answering any questions? You probably felt frustrated. I did, too. Then, I started asking questions, learned that it's not as hard as I was making it out to be. If anyone has any questions about D|S, we've got a forum here for it, and we'll be glad to help with any problems or questions. If not, we'll either redirect you to DAZ's forum, or ask the question there for you. As for their requirement of D|S for Bryce....it's their app now. *shrug* I didn't get it yet because I don't have the extra cash right now, but, even if I didn't use Studio as much as I do, I probably wouldn't mind. *my 2 cents...bowing out of the thread*

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Um. I can't post there. :)

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I get a page not found error.

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Well, if you can't post there, I'd be more than happy to relay any program-related questions you might have, if I can't help you with them myself in the D S forum

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Thanks! Having horrible trouble connecting to site yesterday and today. Will try again later.

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Daz Studio is a bit of a mixed blessing. On the one hand, agree it would be great if Daz would just focus on what they do best (content,) CL focused only the programming, and they worked together. That would definately be better for the community in the short term. On the other hand, competition is a good thing. For too long, CL's held a virtual monopoly on low-priced, easy to use character animation software. If DS becomes real competition, we may see better performance and customer support from both companies.

Tas, the only reason I took a defensive stance, is that you were presenting it as if Daz did NOT offer an upgrade path already... and the upgrade cost is almost non existant, so I have a hard time understanding how anyone can complain about it.

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.

Anyone know how close Studio is to being completed? I couldn't find anything.

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Anyone know how close Studio is to being completed? I couldn't find anything.

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They don't have a concrete completion date, save for "soon". ;) IMHO, that's a perfect completion date. If it's late, people will rip them up and down (even more than they do). If it's early, people will complain that it was rushed. I'm all for them taking time with it, and perfecting it. As long as they don't tweak the shaders too much more, LOL.

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I don't think anyone really knows. It's been "soon" for months now. :)

Completed is relative, since after 1.0, its not going to "stop progressing".

Okay just wasn't sure how much has happened over the year. Thanks. Thanks again for the link. I'm going to try rebooting to see if my browser over there gives me better luck. Are there any material/shader tutorials. Or do you have to just use the P4 Mat files?

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I meant "finished" as in "able to righ in it", "make materials", "customize", etc. Or is it just a viewer? I guess I was refering to completed features. you know... 1.0

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There are some in the DAZ forum. D|S can load P4Mats to set basic settings, but the other non-P4 settings can be saved and reloaded in D|S's native material preset format.

Attached Link: DAZ|Studio forum

For those of you that want, I'm going to ask a few members in the DAZ forum if it would be ok for me to link the tutorials from here. Not c/p, just link. There are some really awesome tutorials, reflection/refraction setting tutorials, as well as material shading info. I'll let you guys know when I've posted them over in the D|S forum here. MS

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"Here's what DAZ strongly suggested, just get rid of Poser and redo all of my scenes in D/S and then it's no problem." Wow. Did daz really suggest that? That would be a new low in 'cheezy-obnoxious' even for them ;)

(Oh, and BTW, many people reported their TOTAL cost for the new Bryce upgrade was $15, AND they got a voucher for $10 off something for the next week. So their final actual cost then is $5 For Bryce 5.5) Show me where I can get it for $15 - not $99 and I may be interested, if I don't have to buy a pack that is no longer available or join a club that costs me $X per month. The $15 price was from four discounts. ($30 Coupon (received by those that bought the Starter Content Bundles last year), $20 Upgrade discount (Available to all Bryce 5 users) 30% Off PC Discount (Platinum Club Members Discount) and last $5 PC Voucher (Platinum Club Members) *NOTE: It will save you $5 to join the PC for one month, since the $30 to join will give you $35 off Bryce (30% Off plus the $5 Voucher) so sometimes buying more will save you more even if it is for one purchase! If you are a Bryce 5 owner, you can get it for $79.95, and still get all the other goodies without joining anything if you want to be stupid about it, but if you want to be smart, Join the PC and get it for $45 + $30 for joining the PC.

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"For Daz to concentrate on making the best 3d content and Figures for poser, but im sure one day (and probably soon) the new Daz figures won't be compatible with Poser.... and then where will we go????" OH MY!!! WE'RE ALL DOOMED! No way to use the new Vicky/Mike/David/Aiko 15 in Poser! MUST SWITCH TO D|S IMMEDIATELY! That's just the kind of scaremongering we need to be persuaded... :D

"Here's what DAZ strongly suggested, just get rid of Poser and redo all of my scenes in D/S and then it's no problem." Wow. Did daz really suggest that?" ---------------- No, they did not, it was the opinion of one individual. AgentSmith

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Wow.... everyone seems to have all of details on this. Just for your information, it wasn't just one individual of the DAZ Staff proposing this.

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Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

And, its not even what I said. I said you could try building the scene in D|S to get around the pz3 import problem, you seemed to be having. As I said farther up, I and many others haven't had a problem importing them.

Not to say that you aren't, just suggested that building the scene in D|S was an option. If you don't want to fine. I never said you had to do anything, and I never mentioned Poser at all.

aeilkema, Are you going to sell off your Poser, because a individual or individuals have suggested you just build scenes in Studio? No. Well, MOST people won't anyway. I don't really understand...your love of Vue comes out in your posts...but you sold it away. (Vue 5 + Mover 5 + LightTune Module) And, your Caligari gameSpace 1.5 And, your Shade 7.2 LE You dislike Bryce/DAZ, but you can't seem to leave it alone. Just an observation. Btw, I get first dibs when you sell your Bryce 5.5, lol... AS

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I know some aren't having problems opening their pz3's and others do have problems. I know some that experience a grea render speed increase in B5.5 and others do not at all. For some when opening D/S from Bryce doesn't bring any problems at all, other only experience crashes doing so. In other words if you're lucky Bryce 5.5 will work, if you're not lucky it won't..... Bryce 5.5 is just very unstable and it's hard to figure out why there's the aplication is behaving so differently on a number of machines. "I never said you had to do anything, and I never mentioned Poser at all." Who knows what you said or didn't say, you edit your posts so often it's hard to trace what you stated originally. AgentSmith, yes I sold a numbers of 3D applications, but still got a good number left of them. They are sufficient for my needs. Sold Shade and gameSpace, because I do own TrueSpace 6.6, so no need for the other 2 anymore. Vue 5 + Mover 5 + LightTune Module are absolutely great, but it's got a major memory usage problem, that has been there since V4 and they don't seem to get rid of it at all. Besides that when working in large scenes Vue is just no fun anymore. Bryce is much better in it's memory usage and the way it handles larger scenes, but it has it's other problems. I'm going to stick with Poser 6 and TrueSpace (and a number of other 3D apps for support). Poser 6 is handling even my larger scenes very well, is very stable for me, has good memory usage and is responding well even with large scenes. Btw, I get first dibs when you sell your Bryce 5.5, lol... You can always make me an offer :-)

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Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

By the way.... I've got one more day left to debate with all of you. We're going to get a completely new network and are changing isp at the same moment, so I'll be off line for quite while (up to 5 weeks). Besides that I've got to finish 2 comics soon too. I'll be online to get emails (with a 56k modem) and do the absolutly neccasery stuff, so no forums and such. If I'm not replying you know I've gone, I'm not ignoring anyone, just can't participate for w while.

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

Actually, the post you are referring to was one sentence, and was never edited at all... And there is no point to further attempting to defend against an over-reaching generalization of a simple statement directed at an single individual as a suggestion as a way to get around their particular problem.

"You can always make me an offer"

Yeah, but I know how little you got it for, lol.

Good luck and speed with your comics.

AS

Message edited on: 05/02/2005 17:06

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"In other words if you're lucky Bryce 5.5 will work, if you're not lucky it won't..... Bryce 5.5 is just very unstable and it's hard to figure out why there's the aplication is behaving so differently on a number of machines." Aeilkema - its very interesting what happens when you substitute the word "poser6" for the word "bryce" in what you just wrote..... I reckon the CL folks are thinking that same thing about the behaviour on different machines re the memory bug right now as they try and fix it.

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"Aeilkema - its very interesting what happens when you substitute the word "poser6" for the word "bryce" in what you just wrote..... I reckon the CL folks are thinking that same thing about the behaviour on different machines re the memory bug right now as they try and fix it. I do tend to disagree with you. The P6 memory affects all of us. Eventually when pushing P6 far enough you'll encounter the memory bug. Some just don't push far enough. Also CL admints it's a bug. DAZ on the other hand, doesn't view the lack of render speed increase with a number of users as a bug. It's the fault of your machine. The problems with pz3 import in D/S are being blamed on CL. And so on. DAZ is just making up excuses for some of the problems there are with Bryce 5.5, instead of just admitting that some of the issues are just plain old bugs and perhaps even lack of experience in developping software. CL admits and listens to their customers. DAZ tends to deny and ignore users and even promise stuff and later deny they've promised it. Just read through a lot of the post at the DAZ forums and you'll see that they're not as customer friendly as they make themselves out to be. They're very good at ignoring users. They rather give you yur money back then deal with the problem. If it's not working for you, make use of the money back guarentee. DAZ staff and moderaters are very quick to tell you that, a little bit to quick imo. They rather have you dissappear quitly, then put the finger on some soar places. DAZ is brilliant at creating a hype, but when the dust settles, you just have to admit that you've fallen again for another hype. Sorry to say so, but I do not compare CL and DAZ and their problems at all. Bryce 5.5 has been the last thing I've bought at DAZ. Poser, I'll buy again (even pre-order it without thinking twice), eventually CL will sort it out. With DAZ I'm not so sure about the sorting out bit. They ignore problems (they love the blame others for them) and it take them ages to create their applications. They've spent ages on B5.5 and can't even get it right then. DAZ Studio v1.0 is already being announced as coming soon for almost a year now. So no comparisment between the two at all. DAZ behaviour has ticked me off long enough to leave them alone and go somewhere else for my poser content needs. We all know I'm not the only one. I doubt DAZ will miss me, one critical person less and they don't like people who point out some serious issues and problems to them, especially when they can't fix them.

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Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk

I think then that we agree to disagree :) I see the two companies as fairly similar entities in how they work. They both make products that lots of folks like to use that have some bugs of varying severity. Bugs to me is anything that doesn't live up to hype/prior information or something that is just broken and they both seem to produce them (as does pretty much every software vendor to various extents). Whether its render speeds not living up to advertising, dodgy rigging, weirdo shoulder joints in horses, mellon shaped heads and big hands, content that doesn't work/isn't there, random crashes in tree labs, or memory bugs that afflict some people when they have 2 nekkid vickies but not others when they have 10, I'd be tempted to just call them all bugs. They both probably (I don't work for either so I can only say probably) know about some of these "bugs" or issues before they release their products (as beta testers, I believe, are fairly conscientious about these things so I would expect that they'd report a fair few of these issues if they are there in what they see). They both hype their products to try and maximize sales and try to avoid mentioning these bugs in the leadup to product release. Both companies seem to become more customer friendly and more open to admission when things are pulled into the light of day and enough people voice their concerns (except that one is silly enough to have a forum of its own for people to use as kindling underneath them lol). Hence, overall, I see them as pretty similar in a lot of ways. Seperately - You mention the pz3 import into DS - is that to do with not importing the P5/6 specific stuff and magnets (which I hope they're working on so that the p5 and p6 users can have a shot at it) or is there something else it craps out on? Or is it just the way it sometimes screws up the importing of pz3's (or so I've read - haven't tried it yet myself but am keen to give it a go when I have time to install things)? The thing that actually does get me however about the whole poser content into bryce thing which you sort of alude to here but you've mainly mentioned a few times in other places, is if daz can make a pz3 importer for DS, why they can't make one that allows direct pz3 import into bryce..... but then, on the other hand, a direct to bryce pz3 importer may exhibit the same problems that the pz3 importer into DS has with some pz3's, so in terms of end functionality nothing may be gained out of it even if they did have a direct importer.

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You kinda answer your own question there, in the last paragraph.

Since Studio will keep on building, and getting better at pz3 opening, probably more logical to just keep that ball rolling, and have Studio be the translator, than to re-direct a brand new focus on Bryce opening pz3 files directly.

I'm just guessing, but with a low level of caffeine in my body...it sorta sounds logical.

Yet, having a Bryce that would import .pz3 and .daz files directly...I'm sure some users would like that very much...

I need coffee...

AS

Message edited on: 05/03/2005 00:25

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Yeah, I was sort of thinking of the possible "why"s and "why nots" as I wrote lol. And yeap, it'd be a bit of extra programming I know, but I know a few people that would be much happier being able to import a pz3 with the same ease as other files (with the DS left in there as an optional "pose room" plugin, so to speak).

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Who knows why these companies do what they do? Why did Metacreations sell off everything and bet the farm on metastream? Why did EGISys buy Poser and then just as quickly decide they didn't want it? Shade/Poser makes more sense but the results remain to be seen. Daz probably had a chance to get Bryce at what I hope was a cheap price but why didn't they stick to their knitting? I can only assume that they have ambitions of becoming another Metacreations which brings us back to where we started.

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Mind-Boggling (fantasy-laden) Realism I'm another user that had a reflex distaste of what appeared to be Bryce 5.5's press ganging of DAZ Studio. It very nearly put me off upgrading to Bryce 5.5. I have to be very careful about what I spend... but I couldn't have been more wrong here. My prior experience of DAZ Studio dates back to early alpha days, and suffice it to say that the program did not survive for very long on my PC. I spent a lot of time reading threads both here and at DAZ, before deciding if I should take the plunge again with Bryce. I'd read that the Bryce installer needs DAZ Studio 0.9.20.5 (i.e. the very latest version) so I also decided to download that in advance as well (excellent content included btw). Although I already had this latest version on my system, the Bryce installer still wanted me to uninstall it - which I initially declined to allow it to do. However, I too subsequently discovered problems (when I launched DAZ Studio from Bryce) with it not having the required plug-ins to import some Poser content. Having read comments by rbtwhiz (in the DAZ Bryce forum topic - "Bryce 5.5 without D/S") I decided to re-install Bryce and this time allow it to 'update' DAZ Studio as well... and So far, my problems with importing Poser content now all appear to be fixed. Early days I admit - but at the time of writing I make no apologies for saying that I'm absolutely astounded at the whole new world of exploration that my new software is permitting me. Maybe it's a lack of confidence, but I've always considered myself to have little innate artistic talent. Already I'm impressed with my efforts at exploiting this new integration (after just a few minutes). There appears to be seamless integration twixt Bryce 5.5 and DAZ Studio, and so far it's proving to be little further effort for me to point DAZ Studio towards my Poser Runtime libraries, and directly use the content from there as well. I will not deny that I love Poser 6, but as someone who has in the past refused to give DAZ Studio a fair chance, I now find myself having to eat slices of humble pie. Since my early ventures, DAZ Studio appears to have advanced by leaps and bounds. The very easy Poser-Studio-Bryce routing that I'm now becoming acquainted with is (for me) opening doors to worlds that I had only hitherto dreamt of. I admit to being a bit slow on the learning curve when I initially purchased Bryce 5. However, after what I've read in the forums and am now am beginning to witness, I just had to fully open this window of opportunity with my order for the Bryce Tutorial DVD. I hope my bank manager understands, and time will tell if I have chosen wisely. Right now, I'm having a very lot of fun!

Caulbox's experiences almost mirror mine. I always knew D|S would be super cool when they got it far enough along, but admittedly, I hadn't done much with it since the alpha days either, due to being busy and not having time to test it and it being, well, very alpha and having alpha and beta typical problems back then. I just tried it and bryce anew in the past weeks and I'm very impressed. This is just my personal opinion. I really like P5 and plan to get P6, but I really love D|S and Bryce 5.5 and how they work together.

lol, you can add me to the caulbox experience as well. The early DS versions weren't promising so I sort of let it be for a while, but then I jumped back in at about the 9.7.8.x and it seemed almost usable, and the newer ones look even smoother.

Dreams are just nightmares on prozac...
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