I just had a look through the Poser Gallery. It seems as though the gallery has become more of a depository for
ad-nauseum nudes and graphicaly violent images. There is a difference between nudity in art and nudity for nudity's sake. I would have no problem letting my children see a work of art containing nude figures, but I'm not so sure I would let any child see this gallery. I see many are posting nudes without the warning. Where are the moderators? I'll probably get flamed for this so I might as well comment on how bored I'm getting with the close up's of faces. I'm baffled as to where the art is in that. Having said that, there are some very skilled people here and I'd like to thank them for sharing their work with us. It has been said that any work that creates emotion is art. I don't think the coiner of that phrase meant to include disgust. Poser is capable of so much why not experiment with original images and thoughts rather than relying on nudity or violence to get people to look at your work. The opinion of those who's minds are in the gutter are not worth much anyway.

Yes, as far as I know, some artists mean to include disgust, anger, hatred and other negative emotions as valid responses to their works. If it disgusted or angered you, then that's more impact than most of the images would have.

I have just two nude pictures in my gallery. Both, I think are artistically done and both are marked in the title for nudity and with the nudity button selected. Neither was done for the sake of nudity but nudity seemed to work better than fully clothed figures would have. I agree that there does seem to be an overwhelming number of large breasted women around here. I generally skip anything with a thumbnail that shows a naked boob. I have found quite a few good images that don't have nudity though. There are some really good artists around here, if you are willing to spend the time looking for them.

I think I will finally speak my mind here. Many times I browse through the gallery and open images that contain no warning of nudity. I find it strange that fairies are taken out of the gallery, yet two women laying on top of each other, one naked are left in. I have no problem with that, but those images should contain warnings in case people dont want to see that kind of thing. A close up of a face and the title are sometimes not warning enough. There are days it takes forever for these pages to load for me, whether it is because there are tons of people on the site or not...and when I open an image that contains nudity that I really dont want to see and it had no warning, I get rather upset. Some times I just dont want to see it. Not that it isnt good art because some of it is but the ones where there is just a plain nude doesnt have meaning..at all. I am fairly new here, and I can see that these issues bring up a lot of flaming around here and argueing...I dont want to anger anybody, just posting MHO.

there used to be a couple of folks that posted links to images in the gallery that were really worth looking at. I'm sure everyone would think their work deserves an audience, but after seeing 10,000 pairs of 40ee boobs, it becomes a bit much. I try to vary my work, but not sure I can call it very good. I do have a couple of nude pics, but I would rather lean towards everyday type of stuff, or a bit of abstract meaning to the image...at least I try fo rthat, but maybe not always quite achieving my vision. I was messing with P6 and Jessi last week...someone commented that instead of default looks and stuff, why not go for something original...what a unique concept in the land of Poser :)

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Nudes are abundantly rampant.
A well done nude is rare indeed. I think too many people think slapping up a naked figure is art.
If it has to be naked, it should have some quality of life and substance and style to it, nevermind a pose worth artistic merit.
As for the violence, perhaps it is a form of venting or as suggested, getting attention by being gross. Onlookers are always fascinated by ugly, absurd and grotesque for some reason, that's why we have traffic jams when people slow down to look at victims in accidents.
Is that for real or what?
I will suggest that art doesn't have to be naked to be absurd, there's some pretty disgusting clothed figures being extremely naughty hereabouts too.

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LOL! This is just too funny... A suggestion... do what I do... Don't Look!

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I think, and this is personal opinion only, my main problem with nudity is not the nudes, but there seems no reason for the nudity except laziness on the part of the people creating the graphic. The human body, if drawn or painted, is complex and a great source of inspiration, and many artists study for years before setting a nude before the public. Plopping a naked Vicky onto a scene takes no artistry or creativity, and shows no complexity of thought. Perhaps because I am a little bit of a writer, and not an artist at all, I'd like to see some story told, some reason for a naked person to be wandering around in what is usually a hostile or very cold environment. But time after time the only conclusion I can draw is that the person creating the graphic simply didn't have the talent to postwork clothes or the funds to buy any appropriate garb. But I know I'm alone in thinking there is more mystery and more allure in a carefully composed clothed figure than most of these "let it all hang out" renderings. I'm baffled by the fascination for plastic looking body parts. Oh well. That's a personal bias. I've been called a prude enough time on these forums to know what is coming next, but truly I have given up on the galleries, not because of TOS, but because so often there is a deficit of originality in approach. I am limited by my lack of talent (and so have spared everyone my lack of ability by removing my gallery), but what is the explanation for those who call themselves artists and yet cannot seem to find an original thought? And yet, once in awhile, a true artist does burst out, which tells me that art is not as common as we pretend it is, but is a diamond among the coals. Which is, afterall, what art should be.

Rat, kind of hard to avoid if people doing such things are not posting the warnings.......

When/if I do nudes, I always try to make them artistic ... I think a picture that is more subtle in its nudity is more "erotic" than something that has content that is in there just for the attention factor. 8-) I won't link to it directly, but I recently did a scene with Victoria 3, using the Anne Marie Goddard texture from DAZ3D, and with face_off's Real Skin Shader. I was experimenting with the lighting features of Poser 6, and after a 3 hour render I came up with an image that I was thrilled with. It wasn't because it was a nude rendering that I put it in my gallery, but because I was fascinated with the way the light affected the skin texture (thanks to face_off). The backlighting and light placement did EXACTLY what I wanted it to. The image is called Curves ... and yeah, it is the one with the most viewings in my gallery. ROFL I think artistic nudity can be really beautiful!

blaineak and All, Please remember, If you find an image in the gallery that you feel violates the TOS just drop us a line. (Poser Moderators/Coordinators) We to are human and do make a boo boo once in awhile and miss an image. So, just drop us a line if you see an image that you feel may violate the TOS and we'll be glad to look into it. *BTW: Lets keep this nice :) Popcorn anyone? * Ryuslilangel Poser Moderator

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Personally, I do not care what is or is not in the galleries, because of the fact I do not look in on the galleries often (I try to hit them all once a week looking for examples of lighting or texturing). I find it funnier that as soon as some of the other posts about the last TOS change dealing with galleries died down, here is a new (old) complaint... I am just thinking out loud about what the next round of TOS changes will be like.

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New TOS ... no 40EE

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ROFLMAO

I agree very much that there is a lot of nudity for nudity sake. I once turn on the nudity and violent filter. Then returned to the gallery....there was only two picture left! Sigh! :^/

blaineak, I have to admit that after I read your original post and wrote my own response, that I checked out your gallery. I LOVE your eagle's nest image. It's gorgeous.

Thanks Kristta, I've gotten the response I wanted. Thanks for everyones input:) To those of you who are doing tastefull nudes and art that happens to contain nudity. Keep it up! I was not including you in what I said. I suspect some of the bad stuff is coming from adolescents:) It matters not how good of an artist a person is, only that you enjoy the endeavor. Looks like I'd better get back to work:(

Sweet Mother Of Merlin Bisected, here we bloody well go again.... Why don't we just get it all over with and ban everything in the gallery save the Poser Woody? That should prevent offending the tender sensibilities of: Children Adults PETA members (can't have those animals shown against their wills you know...and all that fur and leather, Nooooooooo!) Sword lovers. Sword haters. Temples have to go...(well, except the right =kind= of temple. The Holy War starts Friday to see who's version will receive official sanction). Ban -all- edged weaponry as it might offend the NRA. Ban -all- firearms as it might offend the SCA. Religious iconography of any type; Whatever You Want to Name knows it would offend someone somewhere somehow, and we can't have that, can we? Oh, and no scenery or stuctures. The Sierra Club, Audobon Society, and National Association of Architects have feelings too, you know... Of course the Carpenter's Union might have something to say about it, as one of their member's didn't have a hand in Woody's construction. I suppose that leaves the gr-- No, no, can't do that. The Flat Earth Society would pitch a fit about ground plane renders. Bitstream displays as renders...? No, those formats are most likely covered by the DMCA, and improper formatting would offend coders and math geeks alike, so that's out.... Guess that takes care of the galleries. Doesn't everyone feel better now? (Note: this would be considered sarcasm, nay parody of the lowest order, save for the sad fact that it is all too likely, given past patterns observed)

Oh no, Dale! Merlin wouldn't appreciate it if his sweet mother was bisected!

Besides, PETA wouldn't be happy about it either. ;-)

Some artists know how to make a great nude, some are still working on mastering that. I'm patient. ;)

Well obviously if the TOS bans any nudes of women with small breast because they could be mistaken for a child all you are going to see are women with enormous breast because these are the only ones that someone can't claim is a child.

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*It seems as though the gallery has become more of a depository for ad-nauseum nudes and graphicaly violent images.* What do you mean "has become"? When was it different? Don't tell me that "in the good old days" there was great art there because it's not true. Have a look at Renderosity's "Most Viewed" images, which go back to 1999 (see link). *New TOS ...no 40EE* With Wyrmmaster as the Merchant of the Month and a Top Seller? Not bloody likely! LOL!

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Well obviously if the TOS bans any nudes of women with small breast because they could be mistaken for a child all you are going to see are women with enormous breast because these are the only ones that someone can't claim is a child. Not true ... the image I did doesn't show a woman with appendages on her chest that are bigger than her head. 8-)

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I agree. I think the human body no matter what it's shape is a beautiful thing; a work of art. However, there is something to say about erotic versus porn. I much prefer erotic art where there is somethings left to the imagination vs blatant out there nudity bordering on pornography. Some people have no clue about the difference and just slap up a naked figure and call it art, when IMHO it's not.

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As I have said before elsewhere in response to an attack on one of my works, don't assume that the artist isn't clicking the nudity thing. I always click the nudity warning on mine (when they're nudes) and it never seems to show up. Talk to the site folks about that.

Personally, I believe that only landscapes should be allowed in the galleries.

Add people into a scene, and you've got problems.

At least -- when there's more than one person in a given scene. Then you've got trouble brewing.

BTW -- my cat always agrees with me. No matter what I say, she always says "meow!". Or sometimes "purrrr-r-r-r-r-r".

So animals should usually be OK to include in an image. At least the cute, fuzzy kind of animals.

Of course, there's yet another angle to this.......

.......my cute, fuzzy cat wants to kill things.

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First they make a new TOS that prohibits renders of nekkid young Faries.

Then Wyrmmaster becomes "Merchant of the Month"

Anyone else thinks that Rendo has been infiltrated by a bunch of Voluptuous Mature Farie Lovers ?

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LOL She's definitely over 350 years old. ;-)

That faery doesn't stand a chance of lift off! LOL

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Shouldn't they be laying on the ground by now?
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"I browse through the gallery and open images that contain no warning of nudity" If the image contains no nudity flag, you must report it to the moderators; if it contains the flag, it's perfectly within the TOS: sorry, no "nudity warning" in the title ever existed as a prerequisite to post a nude.

blaineak, The nudity flag is not visible to you. If you set nudity not to show from within your profile, and you still see nude images, then you're correct that they haven't been flagged. In this case, please alert a member of staff who will flip the tag in a matter of moments. Or of course you could always IM the member (nicely!) and remind them that they didn't set it. Fazzel, Well obviously if the TOS bans any nudes of women with small breast because they could be mistaken for a child all you are going to see are women with enormous breast because these are the only ones that someone can't claim is a child. Not sure where you're getting that from. The TOS does not mention breast size. We would not assume a small-breasted woman was a child. Otherwise a good proportion of my friends would be getting asked for ID every time we went out drinking ;-) Karen Poser Moderator

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would any of your friends be willing to share their number? i prefer small breasted women. seriously, the whole nudity thing about poser and the hot 20 is this: it keeps coming up, nothing ever changes, and all it does is perpetuate the myth that poser is for posers who just want to make porn. either we should learn to deal with the stigma (water off a duck's back) or create a non-nudity poser site. renderosity will never change anything with nudity in the hot 20. And it's their choice, cause it's their site.

either we should learn to deal with the stigma (water off a duck's back) or create a non-nudity poser site

Ah .. and that brings up a real dilemma. On one hand, we have the admins and mods who want this to be a "family friendly" site; on the other hand there are people who have been in trouble at work or school for viewing Renderosity as "a porn site." In that case, it doesn't matter what stigma members of this community attach ... those who aren't members of this community see it in a different light. So there is a bit more than stigma from the community standpoint.

The dilemma is that it can't be both. If the site were truly "family friendly" it wouldn't be perceived as a "porn site" in other circles. So clearly there are some gray areas here.

Thing is, which side of the fence should it fall on? That's up to the admins to decide.

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Personally, I find nudes rather difficult to get right. I've been using Pro Pack and always found that it was very difficult to get skin to look good - and that much of it was a real chanllenge that always required postwork. Then there are the body morphs, I find them much harder than face morphs to do. Breasts are another problem, there are a couple of morphs packs to help with the breast/gravity problem but they only seem to work well with larger sizes. Sadly, it is rare for someone to post practical advise regarding your pictures. Not satisfied with the results I haven't tried one for a while now.

The are societies where a woman showing almost any part of her body at all is a crime. So no matter what you do, you're going to offend someone. But if you're going to try to please everybody, you end up with pablum.

I just checked out your stuff, philebus, and I don't think you need any advice. I wouldn't mind getting some advice from you on how you do your postwork, though. :) As for the breasts, I find that for the smaller sizes, it's best to do your own morphing with magnets.

"If the site were truly "family friendly" it wouldn't be perceived as a "porn site" in other circles." "Family friendly" means one thing and "church friendly" means other thing, don't confuse both terms.

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I respectfully disagree. "Family friendly" means something that is suitable for people of all ages, and which doesn't require parental supervision. In the movie industry, that would mean something that has a "G" rating. A lot of the content here is PG and beyond.

A museum, an art gallery is "Family friendly", any member of the family can visit those places without any problem, but these places are not "church friendly" and members of some churches never visit such places! The "G" rating is fabulous, blood, killings, war against the evil ones, violence, etc is very instructive and educative for kids.

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Living in greece and having seen many nude men and women in our history books since the first class of school I find all this so demure (as found in the dictionary,hope it suits) A nude body is something natural and innocent as soon as it is not used for sexoual action, which is natural too but not to be seen in public :^) been terrified by a naked body is not a natural reaction to me... Violence is terrifing,nude not, killing is not natural ... The fact that I grow with stroumfs and now kids grow with Xena that kills an army in every episode that terrifies me... pitklad

Hi folks, Saying that nudity is not art is a bit of a harsh statement, but I can see its validity in this case. It is true that many renders do not make use of naked figures in a very creative way - in fact, many of them are purely gratuitous. The deplorable downside of this is that I usually discover only one artistic nude on average per day, as I browse the galleries. Still, many of us strive to make nudity look artistic and beautiful. There are specific techniques, light effects, points of view and poses that allow people to render superb pictures, not to mention postwork tweaking. In short, there are some eggs that we should keep out of the basket. ;) Cheers, Antonio (a.k.a. Amalthea)

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blaineak, thanks to open another stupid thread. Only I say the same that in pst threads:

• TOS ALLOWS CHILD NUDITY? NO. So case closed
• TOS ALLOWS ADULT NUDITY? YES. So case closed

And sorry, but people that think that nudity is bad need a good brain examination

And last one. Here in Spain, Madrids Museo del Prado is full of nude pictures and sculptures. Its visited daily by hundred of school kids. As far as I know, no kid flees in middle of mouth foams and noisy howlings seeing such human naked bodies

"I would have no problem letting my children see a work of art containing nude figures, but I'm not so sure I would let any child see this gallery"

Sorry. I'm not so sure I would let my children stay with you

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If you let your underage kids surf in here you need to think about what you're doing. If you let your underage kids surf ANYWHERE on the web witout parental supervision, you need to think what you're doing. If you let your kids watch TV you need to think what you're doing. If people are in here and look in galleries here, they must expect nudity and if it appalls them I have no patience with that. It's ridiculous. Ever noticed how Poser figures load (gasp) with no clothes on??!!?? Ooh, it's shocking. :] Fish

Why don't we just get it all over with and ban everything in the gallery save the Poser Woody? I thought "woodys" weren't allowed either. >:)

Well, anyway I do not post any work but this seems a good spot...APALLED: a gun shot picture or video bit on cable of REAL dead people. APALLED: watching the seniors dying on the video because we can not allow medication at cost.

First, a big tits up to stahlratte and that old hung fairie posted above!! I think I saw her buzzing around at the mall yesterday, she was looking for a new bra like I was, lol! I never can understand this fascination with big boobs, I'm sick of mine and they're only medium size, anyone here is very welcome to carry them around for a while and see how it feels to have a pair yourself! Gets to be a real pain in the neck and back sometimes, and I'd feel sorry for some of these Vickie's and such with big gongs because they'd all be so hunched over or be having to throw them over their shoulder by the time they got past middle age! Anyways, at least I feel better. I finally got a new bra that fits and holds and now I can laugh all I want without pop outs, lol!!

Deecey; Awww, Cute! (Now, where's that chainsaw....? >8D ) yp6; Damn, it took -that many- posts before someone twigged to that one? This place is definitely getting burned out...

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Well, the original post wasn't against nudity in the galleries, but nudity used to stimulate looks at an image, for the sake of nudity. Nudity where it does not enhance an image...nudity for teens to gawk at. non-artistic nudity. There is an editorial in 3D World..i think that's where it was, talking about the fantasy images...the warrioresses with the big boobs....it's a good read.....and slams it in a nice way, as being bordering on ridiculous.

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Sigh, why do I have this strange feeling that in a not too distant future a picture like this will have a good chance to be voted into the top 20 ? ;-)

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'Have a look at Renderosity's "Most Viewed" images, which go back to 1999 ' I'm outraged...not one of my nudes is on the list lololol

" Sigh, why do I have this strange feeling that in a not too distant future a picture like this will have a good chance to be voted into the top 20 ? ;-)" Niet, this kind of picture won't be allowed, there is missing a Bible in the hand of the man and a burka in the head of the woman.

Stupidity also evolves!

We can open a thread: "The Most Viewed Images ... Faked or Fiction?" :D

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this is and always will be a soft porn site, if they changed it the membership would drop by half, where would the young boys and old pervs go to view free T&A

And if we try a new TOS? "Only nude pics allowed" :D

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"Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/gallery.ez?Sectionid=0&filter_genre_id=0&MostWanted=Yes It seems as though the gallery has become more of a depository for ad-nauseum nudes and graphicaly violent images. What do you mean "has become"? When was it different? Don't tell me that "in the good old days" there was great art there because it's not true. Have a look at Renderosity's "Most Viewed" images, which go back to 1999 (see link). New TOS ...no 40EE With Wyrmmaster as the Merchant of the Month and a Top Seller? Not bloody likely! LOL! " Your right, though its realy sad the most vieuwed image is only most viewed because shes squeezing in her breasts:S....im 12 years old and i only watch the gallery if my mother isnt watching because theres so mutch nudity... but theres realy a difference between artistic nudity and dirty minded sick bastard nudity i think... but then even porn is a way of art, it creates some kind of 'emotions' to. everybody has his own thing right?

Future TOS: "Any Mike's image is not allowed to be posted" You know, only a gay likes to see images of a man and this site isn't more a family friendly place, it has tuned into a porn refuge for homosexuals!

Stupidity also evolves!

kawecki, this site is all naked vickies, what site are you looking at? and I thought women liked men, or maybe i'm wrong..go hide-your bigotry is showing

On a practical note, having that nudity switch 'on' as default would make sure no nude images got past the posting stage unflagged.

Then those fetishists who post non nude images can switch it 'off' when they post their perverted clothed images to the gallery.

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Future TOS: "Any animal's image is not allowed to be posted" You know, only a pervert likes to see images of an animal and this site isn't more a family friendly place, it has tuned into a porn refuge for bestialism lovers! ... When the 3rd most viewed pic in all the Rosity story is a COW, something is rotten in the state of 3D, my dear Horatio :D

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what you can do, blaineak, is to get two logins. One for you in which you can look at tasteful art nudes (and the rest, but as a grownup you can click these away as it're only pixels) and another login for the kids in which you tick "no nudity". Then it's up to you not to keep logged in so that the kids don't see what you see. Your choice, and your responsability. This thread has once again degenerated because there wasn't enough chips and beer. As for nudes being gratuitous, why not? If we forget that cerebral vanity about "art" and "artist" and simply have fun creating our dreams, wishes, nightmares, collective unconscious, etc, we would all be much happier. Hope you're as happy as I am! Gongyla, female non-artist, partly human, partly Nephilim.

"As for nudes being gratuitous, why not?" hey, where post the people the non-gratuitous nudes? I want to earn money with my boobs !!!!! er ... with the boobs of my Vickies!!!! :D

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dirk, I might be wrong, but I think kawecki's comment was tongue in cheek, and not serious .. he may be saying that in a sarcastic tone (just like Casette was with the animal art). The definitions of what is acceptable and not acceptable are left to the mods at Renderosity. There is an awful lot of content in the galleries that I wouldn't allow children to see. It doesn't fit my own definition of "family friendly" and I'm willing to bet that other responsible parents feel the same way. I have posted nude art on many occasions here (they have long since been removed with the rest of my previous gallery images). That makes it clear that I'm not against nudity. But a lot of gallery posts do get into the realm of "distasteful." It is not my choice or decision to allow it or not. I'll leave that up to the PTB here. 8-)

"and I thought women liked men," Woman shall not have those perverted thoughts!

Stupidity also evolves!

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=930681

...does not exhibit female breasts. Nor does it exhibit violence and gore. What it does exhibit is just the slightest bit of a male figure's generously proportioned...er--"thingy", the portion that could not be contained under a demure green velvet loincloth. I am amazed--and oddly heartened--by the fact that viewers were drawn to this image in droves. Perhaps Gypsy Rose Lee said it best: "Leave the best parts to the imagination."

I am arriving to the conclusion that Al Koran is right, any kind of human's representation in images cannot be done. Allah akbar!

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And nude lanscapes? INQUISITION !!!!!!!!

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I never expected the inquisition!

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I think we're straying here. I'll try to go back to the topic at hand. While art is a totally vague term and could take any shape or form, not every gallery is the same. For example, every modern art gallery has themes and rules, and you might not find, say, adult oriented art in a gallery for children. Just like you won't find any abstract art in a gallery of Flemish Primitives. Simply, they're the Terms of Service used to make sure the customers get to see what they expect. Now of course, many would claim that art banned from certain galleries is still art. Some even think that a picture of human roadkill can be artistic (it does take some level of detachment though). To sum it up, art is what you create - and rightly so, if you look at the origins of the word itself. It basically means "craft" or "creation". The topic of this conversation was originally the abuse of a certain type of art. There were no mentions of TOS or the such, so I do not see the need to bring up burkas or bibles except for humour (but since that has already been done several times in past threads, it is getting old). I have to agree that nudity and violence are much more popular than many other topics, but we should keep in mind that this is a public gallery. All a person has to do is create a login and upload their favourite Big Breasted Vicki. As long as they remain within the TOS, all is well. Renderosity is certainly not an elite artists' repository - and even such an elite gallery would eventually spawn some internal strife (again because of different interpretations of the word 'art'). So I am afraid all we can do is live with it, and occasionally bitch about it because it feels good. :) Cheers, Antonio (a.k.a. Amalthea)

Well there's only one Nude in my gallery and it doesn't even show nipples! Go see and tell me if you can guess which one it is!

"It has been said that any work that creates emotion is art." Ah, where's Dr. Legume when you really need him?

I think that this ridiculous thread opens with the ridiculous idea "nude is bad", "ad-nauseum nudes" and blahblahblah. For me, to open a thread such this, or you are a pure newbie, or you want your 5-minutes-of-fame with a thread that probably a mod close in few posts, because THIS IS ANOTHER F***** HAMSTER ON A WHEEL ... and really I cant write on a thread such this but in a sarcastic tone... ... so come on, kawecki, lets go to burn some witches, faeries drawers and nude disgusters :D

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"... so come on, kawecki, lets go to burn some witches, faeries drawers and nude disgusters" A faerie with burned drawers? That could be rather amusing. :D

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Art is in the eye of the beholder, but should also have limits, there is nothing wrong with nudity,(except where children are concerned) after all where will it end? Clothing animals???? Reminds me of my vegetarian sister (who is 30) who thinks lions killing to eat in the wild is wrong... (someone should teach these people about life and why we are here)....lol... lastly It's not what it looks like it's what it is doing that can be offensive...

Getting old and still making "art" without soiling myself, now that's success.

"there is nothing wrong with nudity,(except where children are concerned)" O_o "Art is in the eye of the beholder" Spanish painter Sorolla paint hundred of nude kids. Never nobody told him a pervert. If we start to analyze all the History Of Art, who is sick? The ancient painters ... ? ... or todays politics?

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That's it. Nothing but pink ponies from now on. ;-) Or maybe purple emus -- anybody know where I can find a Poser emu?

This is as the free Aiko 3. She have no nipples. Is a good idea !!!! CUT THE NIPPLES CUT THE BREAST CUT THE BUTTOCKS CUT THE ... ... ... "WELCOME TO RENDEROSITY ONLY POSER MANNEQUIN RENDERS ALLOWED"

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Just a reminder to remember to keep it cool in here ;). All art is subjective. I'm reminded of repeated stories of Art Gallery janitors being fired for "accidentally" removing art displays that...well, look like nothing but what the average person views as garbage. And, to follow the thread...I've added a link to my most viewed/most commented piece. No nudity, nothing sexual. It was quite a sad piece, though. Also, if you wish, you have the option in your profile to not view nudity in the gallery. MorriganShadow Poser Mod.

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Well, my most viewed image ... ... ISNT A NUDE !!!!! (but almost, hehehehe)

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Is always the same, some person that has some problem with nudity want to his point of view or problem must be extended to other people that don't have problem with nudity. Renderosity is an art site, nudity has always existed in art from the begining of "homo sapiens". The art imagens in the gallery can be good, can be bad depending on the artist. In general is an amateur gallery, so don't expect to see master of masters here. Some artists are good, other are excellent, other are bad, some are talented other lack of any talent, ones are beginners other are experienced. Today I can be surrounded by muses and create a master piece, tomorrow I can have a total lack of inspiration and my image can be a mess. Anyway all those artists do the best that are able to do at the moment. I think that is a lack of respect to the artist to blame him that his work contains nudity and that this kind of images are wrong for "family friendly" site. I have no problems with nudity, but I don't go to a church and try to impose that they must be nude in the church. I have respect of what they are doing in their church and expect that they have respect what I am doing in an art gallery! Renderosity is a big site with great amount of members, the question is how representative of the membership are people that have problem with nudity? If you look at the facts you will see: 1) The most popular image in the galleries is a nude Vicky. What does it mean?, it means that most of the artists has no problem of making nude pictures. 2) For the same artist an image with nudity gets much more hits than an image without nudity. What does it mean?, it means that members who view the pictures prefer more images with nudity than without. Conclusion, the majority and silent one has no problems with nudity and enjoy , and only a screaming minority has problems trying to impose their will to the majority. Don't forget that Renderosity gave to the minority the option of nudity flag, so also the minority's point of view was taken into consideration! I belong to the majority, but I am not a silent one and I am able to scream too and very loud! End of testament.

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Just tried to post and got a server error. Guess all those nekkid Vickys musta broke it. :-(

Im a 41 year old unrepentant hetero male who is partial to large breasts.....no apologies ;-) i have more of a problem with horribly lit and poorly composed scenes with no ground shadows and figure that are floating off the floor. default , morphless V3's with vacuous stares wearing the ubiquitous "Koz messy hair" and a canned pose with not even the hint of an attempt change the poses. Posting a female nude with "realistic" small sagging breasts is Not an accomplishment unto itself if you dont take the time to light and compose your scene. for me the lighting/composition is everything breast size NOT with standing.

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JVR ... holey moley! That is one fantastic likeness! And after scrolling through the comments, I see I made pretty much the same comment on 3/18/2004. ROFL

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nudity isn't needed to cause a trumoil it seems: quote: " Cheerleaders told to cover up and stop being so sexy. Their wiggling bottoms, gyrating hips and seductive use of pom-poms may be part of the Americas sporting landscape, but in Texas, school cheerleaders are about to be forced to tone down their act. Legislators in the state, famed for the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders, have voted to crack down on sexually suggestive performances in schools. The law is designed to ban raunchy dance routines by cheerleaders following complaints about suggestive moves, short skirts and exposed midriffs. Some of them are just downright vulgar, something you would see at an adult club or something, said Joe Deshotel, a Democratic member of the Texas House of Representatives. The problem is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. One of the co-authors of the bill, Republican Corbin Van Arsdale, said many parents want restrictions because they go to Friday night games to see young men clashing on the football field, not girls shaking their behinds on the sidelines. Youve got children seeing things that their parents would rather them not see, said Mr Van Arsdale. The bill would allow the Texas Education Agency to police routines deemed vulgar or excessive, and would force schools to take action to stop them. There is a lack of old fashioned morality, the morality you and I grew up with, said state Representative Carl Isett. If I take my five-year-old son to a high school football game, I dont want to cover his eyes when the cheerleaders are on the field." " end quote

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I'm sorry to say that most viewed picture does indeed have nudity.....

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Is nudity art, if you combine it with beastiality?

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Other reasons for finding nudes difficult: all the faults with the model and limitations of Poser rigging are exposed to the full. Its very difficult to reduce these faults in the image - at least for me.

One thing that does bother me in some pictures is the lack of attention to how a human body moves and bends. I know that there aren't enough bones to get it quite right but I've seen a great many broken spines, necks and shoulders.

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g I wouldn't technically call that bestiality, but I think that's pretty dang creative!!

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I know that there aren't enough bones to get it quite right but I've seen a great many broken spines, necks and shoulders. And splayed fingers!

"g I wouldn't technically call that bestiality..." ...me either, but I thought more people would look if I added that ;). BTW, did I mention it also adds elven elements?! And ponies??!! (not pink ones though) Thanks for the comment ;).

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"One of the co-authors of the bill, Republican Corbin Van Arsdale, said many parents want restrictions because they go to Friday night games to see young men clashing on the football field, not girls shaking their behinds on the sidelines.There is a lack of old fashioned morality, the morality you and I grew up with, said state Representative Carl Isett."

Ahhh, yes. He must be referring to the "Old Fashioned" morality of... 'violence/good', 'sexuality/bad'.

If it makes you blush, then it must be EVIL!!!

LOL. ;-) God bless these old perverts in politics who try to surpress their urges with useless legislation. ;-) Message edited on: 05/04/2005 14:36

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Oh yes, splayed fingers, I almost forgot about them. Hands are difficult, I uses Firebirdz hand poses alot - they are real time savers and look great!

Please...that's not the worst thing you could post in this gallery... M3 and Furrette in a "intimate" situation would probably make people's heads explode. Including mine. headexplodey

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After all, M3 might be wearing one of Daio's cat-people skins, that wouldn't be so bad. David and Spuggles on the other hand ... (yes, I have seen it. Please don't ask. ::shudder::)

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well, this is my most looked at..the title "Overexposed" its actually terrible...check those joints :) I do like her creamy looking skin

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When I came and posted I wanted desperately to "fit in" and be an artist that got hundreds of comments etc. So of course looking around at the people who got hundreds of comments 99 percent of the time had nudity in their images. So I started making images with nudity... it was empty.. I don't consider V3 naked in a temple art. And I have learned a lesson. I have made poems etc and I realize that I haven't gotten much of anything just because I dont have the NUDITY sign up and just because I dont have huge breasts in the images that go with the poems. Even though I dont get all the comments I hope for I feel alot better posting something that has a lot more meaning than a V3 with breasts as big as me... I am not against nudity at all.. its just that Poser 5 nudity is sorta getting annoying. Poser users (including myself) only have to click buttons while people work their lives to figure out proportions! (Which I am still working on!) Please don't flame me! Just giving my young opinion! Have a nice day!

"they go to Friday night games to see young men clashing on the football field, not girls shaking their behinds on the sidelines." Oh nooooo!, gays again!

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Can't understand. People not liking nudity does seem to be the very first one to go seeing thumbs showing nudity. Why? During the centuries we have had wonderful nudes which are real pieces of art, and those weren't perverted people, but artists. Yes, I know someone wouldn't show at all the wonderful Donatello's statue out of Uffizi at Florence because is a nude man (oh gosh what!?), but if the freedom is really freedom let me say this is ignorance. Nothing is wrong with nudity, other things are much more vulgars. Anyway, when I see thumbs showing things I don't like (violence for example) I don't go seeing. If I see a thumb just showing big tits I don't go neither because I know what I will see. Why you people are going to see these thumbs? Really is not to accusing anyone, but thumbs are like a preview, and is up to each of you deciding to go seeing or not. And I can't trust those coming to say they go to see what's showing because they want to know if their children can go seeing too or not. Do not use any email programs then, because what you get in emails is much more worste.

Actually, I find images of banana and cucumbers terribly suggestive. And DON'T talk to be about kiwi fruit! Disgusting! One: don't like nudes, don't look. There's a flag and it's used 99% of the time by the people when they upload. Two: You let your kids surf here, you're responsible for what they see. It's called parenting. I don't have kids. I have dogs. They can look at anything they like here. Three: This IS a porn site. Just like National Geographic is porn. Just like the House of Represenatives on cable T.V. is porn. ... all of it, to someone. If someone gets their jollys looking at something, then it's porn to them. It's art, good or bad, to the rest of us. Four: Have a problem with a gallery image? Then why not leave a helpful (stressing the word here) comment and tell them how to improve the IMAGE? Not the content, the quality of the image. Content is there to get a reaction. Can't say something helpful, then don't look at that artist's work anymore. Five: Some of the best renders I've seen are NVINTWAS. I don't care for female figures myself, but the pics were beautiful and exciting. At least to me. Now, if you'll excuse me. I gotta get more popcorn and melt more butter (hmmm....butter...). Anyone want to start a pool on when the thread gets locked?

Some of the best renders I've seen are NVINTWAS. Yeah, but the issue here is that she could be doing something with the sword that puts it a tad beyond the realm of most NVIATWAS art and into the questionable gray area. THAT is my main objection, and the main reason I say that some of the content is not suitable for a "family friendly" site.

Deecey, See items one through five above. If it's completly "family freindly", then you have to decide who's family and how friendly. The highest "moral" compass? Then watch the traffic decline to the site by leaps and bounds. Besides, who's morality? And grey is a pretty color too. If this is a "family values" site, then ban everything but Cinderella pictures with no low cut gowns. About 4/5 or more of the traffic would go away. NVIAT is one of the big draws to the site. If this is an art site that allows people to filter out nudity and violence, then leave it alone and let the poor small business make money. It's only "family friendly" when a parent takes responsibility for what their children view on the 'net. The 'sity has some pretty good controls. They've already gone overboard on the kiddy porn issue to please some people who see child porn in innocent fae pictures. Now, are some of the pics bad? Yeah. Some are pretty bad. Bad lighting. Stiff posing. Bad choice of textures or poke through on clothing. Are some controversial? Sure. They're marked for nudity or violence. If you see one that should be and isn't, notify the mods and it will be. Sometimes one will be posted that's in violation of teh TOS. The mods will catch it. If they don't, let them know it's there and they'll make a decision that half of the members won't agree with anyway. That's their job. To make those decisions and take the heat. I don't always (as in seldom) agree with their decisions, but I respect them for being able to make them. The controversial should be here if this place is an art site. The bad should be here to let others provide the advice to make it better. The flags should be here to provide the tools for parents or prudes to control their viewing. Gee. Looks likes it's all in place.

They've already gone overboard on the kiddy porn issue to please some people who see child porn in innocent fae pictures. Yes, I agree there as well.

I agree as well

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I have had one clearly adult female in a completely non-sexual nude pose (my background is as an antomy and life drawing teacher) yanked for TOS because of small breast size. It was a standing pose as you would find in any unversity drawing class. I did not apeal or complain since I don't pay the bills around here (beyond my share of excessive MP purchasing binges). Yet, I have had to stick big saggy breasts on to all my figures out of prudence though I actually have a formal (and yes aesthtic) preference for smaller breasts on women... I am curious about all this pedophelia mania... I am in my thirties yet for the life of me I can not imagine someone in their twenties in a sexual way, they are babies relatively speaking... it would be too creepy. Don't pedophile prefer the Sears catalog or something? Don't they have their own sites served out of Holand or Saudia Arabia or somewhere other than UTAH? Speaking of Utah, isn't it legal in most of the US to use sexualy children of an age at which it is illegal to draw them nude given the age of consent ranges from 12-13 years old in the US South to 16 in the rest of the country? Puzzling. An american can purchase a Filopino child of 15-16 for a "bride" legaly but can not create a virtual image of a forty year old pretending to be 17? But what do I know... is this perception of mine accurate?

Wait, you can get images pulled because of SMALL BREAST SIZE? XDXDXDXDXD I should be guilty of that...

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Wow! I've never started a string that went this far. Guess I hit a topic on others minds. So I'm understood here: I am not opposed to nudity in art. I'm oposed to nudity for nudities sake. Above my desk is a Salvadore Dahli print with a nude or 2. Nor am I opposed to violent scenes. Blood and gore meant to disgust the viewer is what I'm refering too. Stuff like a future mass murderer might do. I think there must be sites for that stuff. Or maybe an available room in an institution somewhere. I've enjoyed reading everyones responses. Thanks, I've learned a lot about how others view this topic.

The problem is that Rendo tries to satisfy totalitarian people with democratic means. The religious nutjobs and "safe the children" handwringers will NEVER be happy with a compromise. They were brainwashed since childhood into self-denial, so anyone NOT submitting himself to their skewed views is questioning the core of their very existence. And of course they CANNOT allow their own children to accept nudity as somethng perfectly healthy and normal, because this would also mean that they would have to admit that THEIR OWN parents, teachers and everone else of their peers who taught them that the body is something BAD was horribly WRONG and litterally killed part of their existence as a human beeing. Once you realize that they in fact DEMAND TOLERANCE for their own INTOLERANCE, you'll come to the conclusion that you cannot negotiate with them, as otherwise they will take away your freedom little by little, step by step. Rendo itself now is caught between Vickys boobs and a hard place, but at least it will be interresting to watch how things develop. ;-) stahlratte

momodot, I have had one clearly adult female in a completely non-sexual nude pose (my background is as an antomy and life drawing teacher) yanked for TOS because of small breast size. Please could you expand on that? The records do not show any images of yours being removed, ever. And our system automatically records removals, so I am concerned that there is something awry somewhere. We have explained again and again that we do not automatically consider small-breasted women to be underage. I am concerned that this myth is being perpetuated. I really don't want this to be responsible for an increase in over-endowed, back-breaking, gravity-defying silicon jobs in the galleries... Thanks, Karen Poser Moderator

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It was an image posted in early 2000 when I posted my first Poser 3 renders. I do not know when it was pulled as I recieved no notification. I simply found it missing when checking on my Homepage for the first time recently. I realy have no problem with the policy or TOS and I do understand that we must be tolerent of the individual judgments of moderators who are attempting to keep the site going in line with policy. I simply do not understand the need of people to post material on a site that has policy against it... there are sites such as RaunchyMinds (I think that is the name) that have entirly different TOS and policy where the images might be welcome. Since 2000 I have not posted to the Galleries but only to the forum threads concering technical matters. This TOS issue is a matter of the times, a culture that is more concerned with keeping men from men marying men and women marrying woman then Asian and South American slaves working in their local restaurants and massage parlors or uncounted colateraly damage in Police Actions abroad or the US rejection of the Geneva Convention. More concerned with chalenging images of the young then the sometimes aweful realties for some young people. Recently my mother, a consultant to art organizations on the matter of web design and web accessible databases, advised me to request the removal of several works from a web exhibition someone had made of my traditional media work because although the paintings of small breasted models clearly had no percieved age issue, the thumbnails linking to them had the potential for age confusion... remove them I did. The issue with the image here at Renderosity was that it had not occured to me, the image being a representation of an actual individual, a model of 29 years, that there could be any problem, this was inocent of me. Maybe since I recieved no notice this was simply a technical glitch due to the long ago posting of the image. I certainly do not wish to impune you or your procedures, it is only sermise on my part that the breasts were the issue as I can't see anything else problematic about the image in retrospect... the figure was an amputee wearing prosthetic legs, and her hair was one of those long on top draped down over a shaved sides and back... maybe this was a teen haircut, maybe my work with the P3 face was inept. Anyway, in retrospect here, it is wrong on my part to suggest this was a TOS issue when I don't know that and it may have been a glitch in the file keeping (the text and ratings were intact but the images was gone). Yet, this has along with other maters caused me to fake large breasts and heavy pubic hair on figures that are in reality flat chested and brazilianed persons. Again, I would not like to suggest your TOS enforcement is capriscious, or beyond your right. I believe you are all well intentioned, my problem is the greater society, a society where I everyday see grade school girls in the viel because it is suposed that men must be protected from the indecent impulses they suppose they would have in seeing a childs hair, and the right makes a vadeta against artists doing serious work while giving true sexual abusers house arrest sentences. Yet we must live in our times and accept the measures we must take, Renderosity has a right to act in its interest or on its managements convictions. My problem isn't here, it is with a group that does not belive in civil liberties and turns out 3 million votes just to attack same sex mariage but often in my experience act in contridiction to true christian values and take a casual attitude toward true perpetrators of crimes and abuses. However, I am truly moved by people who truly live true Christian values... I may be Homer Simpson but I certainly wish I was Ned Flanders. This is all OT. but Karen, I hope you accept my appolgy.

"Faries= Pedo fodder. 'Nuff said." You are joking, right? ;) Right?..... RIGHT??????? :0

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i am also posting my most viewed pic, the thumbnail? a close up of v3's hand and she is fully clothed. Nudity exists whether we like it or not, we ourselvs are naked, will you not take a bath naked because nudity disturbs you? Will you not change your clothes because a child might accidently run into your room at the moment when you are most exposed.. it is a part of life, people express themselves as they wish to and as such nudity derives from said expressions This is not directed at anyone, nor am i meaning to butt in and argue anything.. I simply look at what i think is interesting and avoid what i dont, if the title grabs me i take a peek, but i do not gawk and get upset if i see nudity image after image.. no one will ever compromise on this situation, at best an agreement to disagree and let those who dislike it, speak their peace and those who see no problem do the same

Thanks for clearing that up, momodot - also just to let you and everyone else know, if we remove an image of yours, you ALWAYS receive notification by email, or by IM if your email address bounces. This is an automated procedure so it's not something we can forget to do. Momodot, you say the ratings and comments remained but the pic itself is gone? That does indeed sound like a server glitch. Sorry about that :- If you let me know the title of the pic, I could ask the admin to see if they can retrieve it for you? Karen

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if we remove an image of yours, you ALWAYS receive notification by email, or by IM if your email address bounces. This is an automated procedure so it's not something we can forget to do One point. There's apparently NO followup, so if someone's ISP uses a spamtrap and the mail ends up in there, the person will NOT be notified. Perhaps it should be policy to send to both email AND to IM. It might help avoid future problems. bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

I think we need to have a TOS ruling on the sexual nature of many of the words used in this topic. After reading about breasts, nipples, emus etc I feel aroused and have been having unseemly thoughts..Why, oh why don't the posters here think about the potential harm that can be done by the overuse of a word like 'nipple'and think about the children who may read their posts.

This is just ridiculous! Not enough rules in our life, we are also going to ask for more TOS. I can understand a polemc done with images done with any kind of taste or knowledge or other, I can't understand this matter at all. What do you when your children have to go on the net looking for something, like resources for their school works? One day my brother's son of 14 came to me and went to look at Google for handcuffs as because he likes a lot the police. I was thinking what he should have got as for answer, but I sure am not gone to tell him "Do not go looking for handcuffs on the net!" because I would have for sure increased his curiosity. Naturally I let you imagine what he found. I was near to him of course. He laughed and asked why that people was using handcuffs that way. I HAD to answer, and told him "Because these are persons mentally sicks probably needing of those handcuffs like the police use it for". Now, if I would have told him DO NOT GO, what do you think he would have done himself? And who would have explained to he a few of things? Some adult doesn't like some word which are been told here? Why you have read it all then? Wasn't better leaving the forum? Me too I don't like a lot of things but I don't go bothering people thinking different than me. And someone would have to explain me what's wrong with words like NIPPLES. Heck I have NIPPLES yes, that is a reality and that is the way are called. Why hidding realities? Why hidding? More you hide, more you will increase the curiosity of your children and not them only. Why not going to ban those commenting every kind image of image with words like EXCELLENT, OUTSTANDING, when is clever to each one many are real s****** things and they do it to get comments back for themselves? Because of a democratic way to be. Let the people seeing and judging themselves, but give to each one the right freedom, which is what the whole world ask for. And then we are so arrogants to think is right to go fighting in those countries where we say there's no freedom? This is a nosense. To speak is right, to discuss what WOULD BE better doing or not it intelligent also, to ask for TOS is not in my opinion where TOS are no needed.

Modern forum software would be nice. Emoticons, signatures, sorting by activity...

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pk
www.planit3d.com

I am always amazed that anyone would feel that their view of what is or is not "artistic" or "tasteful" is somehow a universally accepted constant. It's like complaining that Baskin-Robbins has too much chocolate when you prefer vanilla. There may be a few wags who set out to post the most "tasteless" image they can but I have to believe that for the most part, people post their best effort. If some see that as tasteless or gratuitous, that's the viewer's problem, not the artist's or Renderosity's. I'm also struck by the notion that somehow there's this great demand on the part of "adolescents" or leering 40 something males to look at Poser nudes. Having been both, I can assure you that given the choice between looking at Vickys of any cup size and the plethora of images of real women available on the web, the latter win hands down when it comes to the libido. Sorry Vicky. Any child who has the manual dexterity to type "XXX" and hit enter can find far more interesting material than this place has to offer. All the filters and blacklists in the world are no substitute for watching where your kids go. There is an effective "tasteless art" filter though. It's the little left-pointing arrow on your browser.

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken

bonni, One point. There's apparently NO followup, so if someone's ISP uses a spamtrap and the mail ends up in there, the person will NOT be notified... The member to which you are referring received an email request from us, via her spamtrap, to whitelist the domain. And just to clear it up once and for all, that email came from renderosity.com... NOT from a "personal email address" as was claimed. We do, however, now send both IM and email in a majority of cases. Karen

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"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

"All the filters and blacklists in the world are no substitute for watching where your kids go." Boy, now you're asking too much! You ask to TAKE RESPONSIBILITIES instead of DELEGATE... ;)

"After reading about breasts, nipples, emus etc I feel aroused and have been having unseemly thoughts." Brother, what kind of sinful thoughts you have!, you must resist to Satan, he is in every place, look the way people are using the handcuffs!

Stupidity also evolves!

"I'm also struck by the notion that somehow there's this great demand on the part of "adolescents" or leering 40 something males to look at Poser nudes. Having been both, I can assure you that given the choice between looking at Vickys of any cup size and the plethora of images of real women available on the web, the latter win hands down when it comes to the libido. Sorry Vicky. Any child who has the manual dexterity to type "XXX" and hit enter can find far more interesting material than this place has to offer. All the filters and blacklists in the world are no substitute for watching where your kids go. There is an effective "tasteless art" filter though. It's the little left-pointing arrow on your browser." And that, I believe, would be called game, set, and match!

CRUNCH CRUNCH CRUNCH Popcorn?

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"Poser isn't a SOFTWARE... it's a RELIGION!"

Keep in mind, the name of the image display area is "Gallery", not "Art Gallery". "Gallery" is merely means of communicating that images will be viewable at the indicated location. Whereas many images will be distasteful for whatever subjective reason, the contents of the "Gallery" are not limited to displaying art. People post images for various reasons, not necessarily limited to artistic display. The Renderosity powers-that-be were wise in distinguishing between "Gallery" and "Art Gallery". However, NOT conforming to site standards as expressed in the TOS is another issue entirely.

<< Keep in mind, the name of the image display area is "Gallery", not "Art Gallery" >> Keep in mind, the name of this website is RENDEROSITY - ART COMMUNITY ;)

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"Poser isn't a SOFTWARE... it's a RELIGION!"

When all that an image has got going for it is that there's a nude woman with huge breasts standing or lying there with no expression, then it's boring and prurient to me. I'd like to see better lighting, posing and composition in nudes. However, there is a nudity filter here if one chooses to use it. I don't use it because occasionally I see images with nudity that I do like. Most of the most viewed nude images look boring and banal to my eye, but there are some very good ones in there too. Anything by Toxic Angel for example, and there's one of a nude with interesting venetian blind shadows that add a certain mystery to it. I guess I'm looking for the nude to be integrated into the scene, to look purposeful in some way, rather than just stuck on a background for titillation.

There is a trick I do with people on Feminist (I think of it as personist) issues, substitution... would a man function transperently in the same senario. For years I painted male nudes for this reason. Would the image look as good with a man, a fat man, an old fat man? "I'll believe high heels are a sensible fashion choice when I see the joint chiefs of staff wearing them."

" Would the image look as good with a man, a fat man, an old fat man?" NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Stupidity also evolves!

And with a hamster?

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"Poser isn't a SOFTWARE... it's a RELIGION!"

Well...., maybe can be good for whom goes on Friday night games to see young men clashing on the football field and not girls shaking their behinds on the sidelines.

Stupidity also evolves!

And what about images of musculous sailors?, of course nothing of those nasty grilled sirens.

Stupidity also evolves!

Are we playing at art or playing Dream Date here? ;)

"It was an image posted in early 2000 when I posted my first Poser 3 renders. I do not know when it was pulled as I recieved no notification. I simply found it missing when checking on my Homepage for the first time recently." That was not a TOS issue. I had that happen to me and the images lost were not nudes. They didn't even have people in them.

"Well...., maybe can be good for whom goes on Friday night games to see young men clashing on the football field and not girls shaking their behinds on the sidelines." You mean all those "straight" men who watch football to see big butch men hug and touch each others bottoms, I guess they are buisy getting beers at the consesion when the girls come out... yet I suppose just knowing those girl are there debasing themselves reasures one of ones masculinty.

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/animation.ez?Topsectionid=0&Form.SortOrder=UserName&Start=234&WhatsNew=Y

My most viewed item (2937 hits) doesn't have any nudity in it either. (See "dude, you suck!" at the bottom)

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I don't usually visit the gallery but I just tried something. I opened the gallery without any modifiers and with it sorted based on "what's new." My browser is set to display 18 thumbnails. This is what I found:

3 CG Landscapes
3 photos (including 1 that could be called at least 'semi-erotic' by DHolman who's gallery is pretty cool!)
2 CG air/spacecraft renders
2 CG Still lifes
2 Fractals (beautiful!)
4 CG characters either fully clothed or showing just their head & shoulders
1 mixed media that was rather abstract with flying storks carrying pigs

and only 1 (that's one- uno - ichi) NVIATWAS.

I'm tempted to think I must have gone to a different site or something but I double-checked the link I clicked and it was the Renderosity gallery.

Am I having a bad day?

Of course, I didn't visit just the "Poser" gallery. I visited the Renderosity "Art Gallery." Maybe I have to actively search for and select the Poser gallery to find all this nudity that everyone speaks of.

All kidding aside, I know it's there, but if one opens up one's eyes just a little bit one can see that Renderosity is so much more than NVIATWAS.

Before they made me they broke the mold!
http://home.roadrunner.com/~kflach/

All problems can be solved if the girls shaking their behinds on the sidelines are replaced by sailors.

Stupidity also evolves!

Dude!

Someone, somewhere in this melange pointed out the solution. If you are upset with the number of boring, banal nudes, then give the artists suggestions for improving their images. Be nice (duh), point out something you do like in the image ('nice nipples, very realistic'), and then suggest that perhaps some scenery, more context, yada, yada, whatever your particular thing is might help. Some people will genuinely thank you and take what you've said to heart. Others will hate you (critics have never been beloved by artists), but you've done your part and at least you can say you tried to raise the Renderosity aesthetic. Of course, you should also be willing to point out as an example, some of your works which you feel exemplify what you're asking for. If you haven't done a "tasteful," "elegant," yada yada nude then perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to critique those who try their best. This is potluck here, not a gourmet eatery. You get haute cuisine and you get Hamburger Helper in about the same proportions as they exist in the real world. You want haute, you either sift through the ground chuck or go to 3DCG whatever and suffer the real elitists who will ridicule you for not building and rigging your own models in Lightwave or Maya. As for the cheerleaders, the problem is likely that those guys feel guilty for getting turned on by girls the same age as their daughters--can't have the old incest fantasies getting stirred up. No doubt their middle-aged, wives are not too happy about the gleam they see in papa's eye when the nubiles take the field either. It's much easier to ban something than own up to their own hypocrisy. That's my story and I'm sticking to it :-)

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken

Girls noo, Sailors yesss!

Stupidity also evolves!

What is this, the Royal Navy? Next you'll be calling for rum, sodomy and the lash :-)

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken

Yes, lmckenzie... good idea. Post 157 that is...

I both agree and disagree. Nudity without being marked is WRONG, Violence should be marked, but can be a hard one to do, an image anticipating violence for instance may offend someone, but others do not see it as violence as there is no actual violence occuring in the image. if you look through my gallery, I have CRAPLOADS of "just-nude-vickie" images, but 1, they are all marked, 2 the reason they are so simple is because they are material and shader node tests. why do I upload these? people are interested, and most of the time, a quick IM will get you the material from me. saying that violent based art should not be here, or is not artistic is so very historicly incorrect, look at classic art, such as those from wars, or even biblical images, violence, blood and gore everywhere. so I disagree with you here. all those poeple that come to these discussions only to say something along the lines of :Here we go again, or like I havent heard that before, and other smart ass comments need to just simply leave it out. there are new people joining everyday, and they will have never seen these discussions before (although not new, as with the HOT 20, this is my first sighting of a nudity and/or violence thread) and the only outcome of such comments are that you look like 1:an idiot, and 2:a bitch (sorry for the language) oh, and while Im giving another spill, people who put, "get out the popcorn" (especially moderators, BAD!) should stop it, it's like saying "I dont take you or your opinion seriously, I just think its entertaining" there you go LOL

TemplarGFX
3D Hobbyist since 1996
I use poser native units

167 Car Materials for Poser

Actually, they should just package certain threads and put them in the FAQ. 1. Too many tasteless/pornographic nudes. 2. Is Poser really art? 3. Are faeries really just kiddy porn. 4. Daz/CL are rotten buggers because__________. 5. The latest Renderosity banning binge. 6. The Hot 20 sucks. 7. My images are getting buried/I'm not getting any hits. 8. Only nudes get hits (see #1.) 9. Why is there no "art" in the galleries? 10. Top 10 lists of endlessly recurring threads. I must be missing some but those should fit nicely on their own server.

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken

Hey, who made this thread so damn wide! We don't all have dual monitors... I used to make nude renders cause my machine was so crappy I could run a figure and conforming clothes in the same scene! I do wonder why eaters of popcorn have to share their taste in snack food with us... boycotting the thread to go make a sandwhich would be more pleasent for everyone involved.

yea..I'm eating con chips and salsa right now.

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together.
All things connect......Chief Seattle, 1854

Nudity can be artistic if done well. I'm not a prude or a raving conservative. What do I hate seeing is giant breasted figures without even an attempt at artistry. I've got one or two "nudes" in my gallery (only one visible nipple in the whole series), but they are tastefully done (IMHO). Poser has the reputation in the 3D world as a toy for pre-pubesent boys - not a serious graphic artist's tool. Myself, I'm constanly amazed at the quality that this program can achieve, especially in the hands of a talented artist. No, big breasts does not directly equate to art - unless handled in an artistic manner. Yes, you can have big breasts in an image that is artistic. That's where the "art" comes into play. I'm not for banning anything. I just think each of us should consider - before posting an image - if the piece has artistic value. Renderosity is, by it's own definition - and "Art Community"