I was reading TerraDreamer's thread just now, and whilst scrolling past Xeno's inane warblings and the mod backslaps, it kinda struck me... You keep calling this an artists community, for and about art. Thats why 3 forums were closed down. So... the message you're basically sending is that art is pretty and never inspired by world events or anything profound happening in people's lives unless it's stated and/or executed in a prettified (cheesecake) way. Art is never born through debate Art is never born out of heated discourse Art is never born in hostility, depression, upset, the entire array of human emotions and behaviour, disgusting as they may be when on display. Since it's become customary to show off old masters to prove one's point, I can always trot out Picasso's Guernica and Dali's Visage of War (the one w/o tits) as examples. One of art's missions is to generate a response. You dim down the entire concept of it if the only response allowed is warm fuzzies and huggles in faerie or softcore t&a on display. And you must know it at some level, because it's REAL interesting to see how the rendo gallery staples NEVER make the rendo showcases in 3D world. ~S