Please be advised that your figure making habits have now excluded the ProPack users from using your creations. This is serious because New version's of Poser are no going to be set up the same way. So it's not going to just affect the PP user's. Eventually. Poser5 will be released and your figure's won't work with them either. If you haven't been following the threads about the problems. Here's what's going on: In the New file handeling system of Poser. Custom geometry is no longer used in the cr2 files. Instead. When the grouping tool is used. The geometry that would normally get put into the cr2 file gets put in the libraries folder as an .obj file. Next to the cr2 file. NOT IN IT. What this means is: When someone loads a figure with custom geometry in it. The figure is riddled with holes. The fix is pretty straight foward but a little time consuming: 1.)open the figure 2.)set it to default pose 3.)export the props and conforming figures attached to the base figure 4.)apply those to the base P4 figure again 5.)use morph manager to transfer the morphs to the new figure. Sounds simple. But here's the problem: Look at the picture. For some reason. You all decided to save the figure's in a non-default pose! And on top of that. You all decided to re-scale various props and conforming figures AFTER the figure was created! Therefore. You can't restore the figure to properly export the props and figure's to rebuild them again so future version's of Poser can use them. This means. We can't use them!!!! Please pass the word about this. All that's really critical is that you distribute your figure's in the default pose. We can convert them if you do that. ScottA