Sorry, folks. Non-3D thread, but ... today is the D day ... TODAY PLAYING IN THEATRES ALL AROUND THE WORLD !!!!!!!!

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What is playing? Is there a new movie or something? What's it about? Is it a war movie about D-Day?

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You are a little late. Star Wars Day was earlier in the month.

May the 4th be with you.

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star wars: episode 3, Helgard. at least that's what i assume cassette was referring to. I just got back from seeing it about an hour ago (midnight showings here). and i might add, I was not impressed. I hate to say it, but of all 3 of the prequel movies, this one had to be the worst, as far as the story concept goes. I've been a star wars fan for nearly 30 years, (most of my life), and have been waiting for this one for who knows how long. I can't believe lucas would let the whole saga end like this. as far as eye candy goes, the cgi, costumes, sets, etc, was great, but the story is just plain cheesy. Ewan McGreggor recently stated that this has been an "acting disappointment" for him. and now after seeing this film, I understand why he would make a comment like that.
**Release date is May 19th in the states, PhilC
And btw, this thread doesn't belong in the poser forum. ;-) But to put it a bit more on-topic, does anyone out there know of any character head morphs for michael 3 that would make him resemble Ewan McGreggor? I'd like to use his face for a character I'm creating (completely non-sw related), but I suck at twisting dials to resemble famous faces.

E.D.

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McGregor's comment about his acting disappointment was in regard to working with greenscreens (he denies having denegrated SW:RotS). Understandable, given that actors tend to need interaction so as to evoke emotional responses/reactions. Nonetheless, acting in its truest form IS imagining. It just so happens to be easier with actual props and humans with which to interact.

Hahahaha, kawecki, youre bad ;)

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And well, I have readed notes about the movie, and people says that this isnt the best of the six SW ... but ... ... when the fists John Williams notes will sound at the theatre, i know that all my hair will seem needles ... ;)

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This is the first Star Wars Movie, that I haven't seen on opening day. Just can't take the lines, noise, and the ticket prices. The last Star Wars movie, my brother and I went and it wasn't till I saw the movie on DVD that I actually got to hear the movie.... GROK Butch

I will be seeing it in two hours and ten minutes. I could have seen it last night at midnight, but opted to sleep. Pretty excited. I was let down by the last two, but hear that this one is better. I will let you know what I think. :^) Jay

Hail Vader!

Its your destiny, old man :D

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ilovestarwars!!!!!!!!!!!! heheh.

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I saw it on tuesday in special premier for charity event... So i can Say that i saw it two days before the rest of the world. And the movie is great, but still The empire strickes back is my favorite. EP III is a complementary movies that fix all the loose ends of the star wars saga. The music is marvelouz and the battles are great. I won't spoil it for you, but if you have any question just ask.

Anakin is such a sithy.

Anakin (Darth Vader) is very very sithy, he's bad to the bone.

The guy on qvc said it was great...

"**Release date is May 19th in the states, PhilC" Don't worry Phil...I got your joke. 8 )~ Tom

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He was correct...

I saved my money... and read the script. Lucas hasn't learned a thing in 30 years, except how to sell toys and games. When you can see the videogame sequences just by reading the script, you know it's bad. And the quips which pass for humor? :roll eyes: And the love scenes? :gag: Too many people doing stupid things just because it looks good on film doesn't make a plot or a convincing story. BTW, I wouldn't be surprised if the screenplay gets the Razzy Award. I enjoyed the first 2, stood in lines wrapped around the theatre and went back repeatedly, but Lucas killed his own franchise to the point where you couldn't drag me to see this one. Carolly

If you like the star wars films then you will probably like the third one but if you don`t like them then you wont.

With that commentary I realize that you're not a real Star Wars fan, cause every good fan knows that the best one is The Empire Strickes back and the worse one is The Phantom Menace. From now on I'll just ignore you.

"With that commentary I realize that you're not a real Star Wars fan, cause every good fan knows that the best one is The Empire Strickes back and the worse one is The Phantom Menace. From now on I'll just ignore you." That was for hauksdottir not to you xantor.

I'll wait for the DVD.

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Missing work to see it......sheesh........

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I can proudly state that I have never seen a single SW movie in its entirety. :D

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I have not yet gotten to see it....and I have to go out of state for my cousin's graduation this weekend so it will be even longer before I get my Sith fix. (I'm gonna be chewing my arm off to take my mind off it by the end of the trip...not to mention having to drive to Kansas anyways..) And of course everyone knows that Empire was the best. ;-)

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the original 3 movies will always be the best. lucas didn't have all the fancy cgi toys to play with back then. he focused more on the story. there was more dialogue then and the plot was far more convincing. he didn't have any love scenes to do. the subtle hints of leia and han falling for each other was all he had to worry about, and he pulled it off well, I think, leaving their future together up to the imaginations of the viewers and plethora of other writers that carried the star wars saga beyond the films. Though I'm sure he had planned for han and leia to have children (he named the 3 they did have, but left the story telling of how they came to be up to somebody else). I remember seeing ep4 when I was 3 years old, in a drive-in theatre with my brother and parents. I've been a fan since then. When ep1 finally hit theaters i was happy to see the rebirth of the star wars saga. I'm the biggest star wars fan i know. I have the movies on vhs and dvd and my bedroom walls are covered with action figures on their cards hanging from push pins. Yesterday morning I drug the rest of my collection out of the walk-in closet that they've been stored in (because long ago i ran out of wall space in my room to display it all), just showing my brother what all I've accumulated over the years while we were discussing the new film. I have so much of this crap its almost embarrassing.

I really enjoyed attack of the clones. I sat through the whining and accusations of all those out there who accused lucas of destroying the story with the new films, giving him credit for the attempt. I viewed ep1 and 2 as the groundwork leading up to the big finally of ep3 and was happy with it, until last night. I played and completed ep3 on xbox last weekend, so I had a taste of what the movie was going to be like, from the film clips that they show between levels. And now, I have to say there's better action in the video game than there is in most of the movie. Its just disappointing to know that this is all episode 3 has ammounted to. I admit that there are some great aspects of the film. There's some very emotional moments, especially between anakin and obi-wan. But its not convincing, and anakin's fall seemed more forced than it should have been. The boy just doesn't have a brain, apparently. Not to mention, there are still things that contradict the implied story of the original 3 films, especially one key piece of dialogue from ROTJ between leia and luke. Overall, I got the impression that this film is more of a drama where all the others have been more action. Which by no means is a bad thing. I just think he could have made a hell of a lot more of an impact with it than he did. He should have allowed some of his colleagues to collaborate on the script with him, to buff it up and make it more believable/moving, etc. But of course, lucas is known for 1: not even having a script to work with when filming begins, and 2: not even allowing the cast members to read an entire script, for fear they'll know too much (or better, think its bs). I would note key scenes that I thought were really great, but then that would spoil it for those who haven't seen it yet. My brother is taking his kids to see it this evening, then we'll be discussing it. I'm curious to know what his opinions of it will be. Maybe you guys will enjoy this one more than I did. And for those of us that still want more star wars, lucas has said they're turning the clone wars into a 30 minute 3d animated series, (not the cartoon network stuff that's done 3 seasons already), and that sometime next year they'll begin filming the first season of a live-action series for tv that takes place between ep3 and ep4. will be interesting to see how far he goes with this.

E.D.

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Well, here at 16:30pm local hour (withouth reservation, only half-full theatre, its a nice hour because people is at work and kids at school, I LOVE my new schedule) Ive watched SW-Revenge Of The Sith. Wow. I only can say: wow. Im not a SW crazy fan, but I waited very much of this movie, The End Of A Saga. I was afraid that it was defrauding myself. But not. And I have enjoyed it as a cow (have you seen a cow when lick with its enormous tongue? That was me: SLURPP, SLURPP, SLURPP...) I hate reveal details to people that havent watched a movie. Only my opinion. This is the BEST movie of the Second Trilogy (or First, sorry; but my favorite forever and ever is A New Hope). The action is awesome. The FX fantastic. Oh, but also is the DARKEST one of the six movies. Some strong scenes. Sorry, but my 5 years old kid must wait to the DVD; things on the silly-box looks less strongs, and ... a wide screen can impact a kid, the last minutes of Anakin Skywalker and firsts of Darth Vader in dolby surround arent properly for a lilboy. Hey, Im a madhead, but with a parent responsibility ;) Well, the dialogs arent any wonder. But A New Hope neither was Shakespeare :D And yes, George Lucas has weaved a complicated tapestry to join Episode II and Episode IV. You understand why Anakin is short and Darth Vader tall (heh); and why Jedis dissapeared; and how the Republic becomes on The Empire ... Waiting for the DVD to complete my collection. And ... I need a date to watch it again with my wife (LOL) WOW

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I went to the opening here, Wednesday 18th at midnight.

For the first time, someone is really acting: Ian McDiarmid.
I enjoy the planets, ships, characters like I enjoy what you USsians call "comix". Brain to zero and dive in.
The main inconsitency is that in chapter27 (DVD Return of the Jedi) Leia says she has known her real mother and has some images left from her (in her mind). That she was always sad.

The entire story is classical, and could have been top if someone else had written the dialogs. Mr Lucas is not Richard Wagner. Unfortunately.
But I loved the way Palpatine and also Annakin pronounced "Peace and Justice". That made my night. It was really that other berserker for democracy speaking.

Visually, and action wise, it is the best one of the six. 4,5 and 6 suffer from hilarious attempts at funny valves to release some tension. (o, my poor pet is dead...argghhh!)

Annakin's final choice for P.is psychologically bizarre (to say the least).
But it's a spectacular, whirling videoclip, not exactly Shakespeare, but that's not the intention.
I liked it.
And will see it again.

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I have one thing to say about this movie. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! What a terrible way to ransack the festering corpse that was once star wars...

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I did not bother seeing the movie. I was at barnes and noble's last month and saw the movie poster book for ep 3 that had pics and the dialoge under them so after taking 10 min to page thru it. I found out about the whole movie I have not watched any of the wars movies after the ep 6 came out years ago. Besides when it costs like 7.00 a ticket and another 12 or so for munchies. I'd rather rent it for 2.00, get some microwave popcorn for a 1.00, and a liter of soda for a 1.00 and sit down in front of the tv. The only movie I have seen in years at a theatre was phantom of the opera. The dvd I intend to buy after I pick up some stuff off daz3d... after all there are priorites (lol)

"Lucas hasn't learned a thing in 30 years, except how to sell toys and games." For what it's worth, he's learned a LOT about shooting a major film entirely digitally. My contacts at ILM claim that the process created major headaches and schedule setbacks on Episode II, but by virtue of trial-and-error learning, principle digital photography came in ahead of schedule on "Sith," granting the postproduction teams more time to fine-tune. I realize that the technical aspects of cinema are not enough to make a truly great film. Case in point: The Last Samurai. Beautiful cinematography, exquisite costumes and locations, wretchedly poor film. (Don't all flame me at once. It's a bad movie, ok?) Thing is, Carolly, and I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but for a lot of us, we KNOW that the newer Star Wars films are "bad movies," but kinda love 'em anyway, just because it's a return to the alternate universe that had such an influence on our lives, cultures, and aesthetics. Internationally. So, yeah, the dialogue stinks, the acting is mostly wooden, and Lucas ruins battle scenes with idiotic gag jokes. But what eye candy, and what fun as an overall event! I look forward to seeing "Sith" with my best friend and trashing the heck out of the flaws while secretly treating my inner 13-year-old boy to the fireworks. :-)

We saw it this afternoon and the cinema was half empty, yet tonights screenings where booked solid. As for the movie. I'm not posting any spoilers here, but it's a lot darker and grimer than empire. It's not a feel good movie like the originals. Some parts are bordering on the horrific, so for once the (in the UK) the 12a rating is fair. The acting and dialogue in some key scenes is worse than a soap opera. But the visuals are as ever stunning. But hey it's star wars so of course we'll watch it!

Pinky - you left the lens cap of your mind on again.

I don't care if the acting isn't great....it's not a remake of a perfectly good movie which was 90% of the posters I saw in the lobby the last time we went to the movies(or just that froo-froo feel good crap...If I'm gonna watch a silly movie it better have guns and explosions and flesh eating zombies)...besides the fact that it's Star Wars. And with these hints of darkness....I'm planning on truly loving this movie. Empire has always been my favorite because there was no "happy" ending. =)

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I was thinking on the day where Ill finally have Episode IIIs DVD ... them Ill do the SW Marathon ... the six movies one-by-one... :D

I did this some months ago with the three LOTR EXTENDED VERSIONS ... I needed to sleep after an entire day and I couldnt find my eyes, but ... like a cow again :P

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Thumbs up! As I posted earlier I wasn't so crazy about Episodes 1 and 2, but I really liked this movie. The romance scenes were the weakest part of the movie, but didn't ruin it in my opinion. I will definitely see it again in the theaters. :^) Jay

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Things that people tend to forget that are worth remembering: George Lucas didn't direct the second and third "Star Wars" movies. Irvin Kershner and Richard Marquand did. (Look it up if you don't believe me). George Lucas didn't write the second and third movies. People like Lawrence Kasdan ("Body Heat", "Silverado") and Leigh Brackett ("To Have and Have Not", "Rio Lobo") did (just before she died). In order for George to be truly great...he needs help. He hasn't relied upon any help lately, hence the decline in storytelling. -jjsemp

Love it, or Hate it..you still can't ignore it :)Maybe I'll try to see it this weekend.

huzzah! unfortunately, I can't afford to go, so I'll wait until it comes out on cable or somethin'..;) it's a crazy world..thanks to all of the Star Wars fans for not rubbing in the demise of Star Trek prior to Star Wars..;)

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Go my tickets a month in advance to see it tomorrow since my friends couldnt get tickets for tonight. I have grown up with these movies. I went with my dad,mom and baby bro who was still in womb to see the first star wars as a test audience in minnisota. I was 10 yrs old, LOL, my how time flys! My dad was so hooked he took everyone he knew to see it like every weekend, he tried to convert all to the glory of star wars. LOL. Wish he was still alive to see the new ones, I for one think he would have loved them. I dont ever get my hopes up for something it isnt going to be..I go for the fun, and thats what these movies are all about. Im excited to see "darth Vader" once again..that should be awsome. Plus Yoda battleing it out. Ohh and the Wookie planet. Wooooo! Cant wait to see chewie!

Well, like anything else, everyone has a different opinion. I skipped work, my kids skipped school, and the three of us, along with my wife and brother went to see the 10:30am show. We were blown away. I personally didn't like Empire as much as Return of the Jedi, and neither as much as a New Hope. (I hated Phantom Menace, and Clones, though IMO Darth Maul is second only to Vader in kick-assed-ness.) But these are my opinions, your results may vary. Now that I have seen e3, e1 and e2 make more sense on why they were done as they were done. Granted, this was no Shakespeare, but then, none of them were, and were never meant to be. This movie was all I could have ever asked Lucas for. I wanted dark, he made it midnight. I wanted visuals that would pop my eyes out without being Jar-Jar-ish, and (wait a sec while I pick up my cornea)...I wanted to know the answer to why this spoiled little brat became the baddest kick-ass in the galaxy, and I got an answer that couldn't be better. The only problem right now, I can't say too much without ruining the movie for anyone going to see it. Agreed that Lucas couldn't write a love scene if it meant him getting in the pearly gates, but then, if you spent 30 years playing with droids and referring to your manhood as a lightsabre, I doubt you could do much better ;-) I think Hayden Christensen did Vader total justice. I abhorred him in Clones for his performance as a bratty, pouty little turd. However, he played this one to perfection, at times I sat there thinking to myself, "Annie, don't do it!" Then had to smack myself back into the reality of knowing what was going to happen anyway...(I know I am not the only one, since we started talking about it as the credits rolled and the whole theater was saying the same thing.) Love him or hate him, Lucas did all the films his way. As far as Star Wars goes, let's keep in mind, he has always been clear that SW is his baby. He doesn't care if he makes people mad, or that people feel he isn't doing this one or that one justice. He has even clearly stated that anything that is not contained in the 6 movies is not canon, and can be changed by him at any time. Can you truly blame him? When he tried to pitch SW in the first place, he was scoffed at. His original deal fell through, and yet he persevered, to the point that he made something that makes most of us just sit and WOW to death. How many of us wish we could stand against those odds and produce something as groundbreaking and awe inspiring? Take it or leave it, that galaxy from long ago, and far far away is something of true legend. I thank George Lucas for taking my family and I across hyperspace. If I could ask just one thing of him, it would be, make another trilogy! Show me what happens to the Jedi under Luke while Mark Hammil is still breathing! And if you managed to read through this whole post without falling asleep, or throwing overrippened tomatoes at me, MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU!

You misunderstand me. By the first 2, I meant the ones which originally came out back in the 70s. Yes, I saw New Hope as an adult at a real theatre. It was not only fun, but Lucas gave us an expanded universe populated by strange beings while still having familiar archtypal characters. I hated the stupid droids, but liked Leia. The double sunset was magnificent. The entire audience APPLAUDED the jump into hyperspace. Went back the next night and stood in line for 4 hours. The next time I saw it, I had a deck of cards in my pocket and we played hearts while waiting. Empire Strikes Back had a better plot, and I liked Luke even more with a bit more depth to his character. One could feel some menace and some despair under the grinding machinery of empire. There was a sense of epic... that this was a battle worth fighting, even though it might be doomed. Return of the Jedi was a thudding disppointment. I hated the droids even more (ye gods, give me a screwdriver and 15 minutes!!!) and now there were fuzzy little teddy bear toys taking out war machines? Give me a break! And having Vader come back all blue and glowy and redeemed? Sheeeeee-it! NO! A man who has destroyed entire worlds full of innocent lifeforms (not just humans, but all life) is totally beyond redemption. Not killing your son is hardly an act of altruism! When I learned that Lucas was going to make the rest of the story, but was turning it into a biopic of Vader, I was wary. With good reason! Phantom Menace was a disaster. I hated the droids, and absolutely wanted to slap that spoiled brat into the next solar system. The age difference between Annie and Padme was hysterical. The adults were stupid beyond words. Midi-chondria? :gag: Jar-Jar? :barf: And Lucas took that vast wonderful universe and shrunk it into an afternoon spin in the jalopy: you can make 3 planetfalls by tea-time. :roll eyes: And the eternal pod-racing sequence was simply an ad for the video-game. :grrrr: That killed it. There was no way I was ever going to give him another nickel... either through movie tickets or game sales. He owns a third of one toy company and 20% of another and THAT is where his interests lie. Not in story-telling, but in selling plastic. I haven't seen the last 2 movies (as made) and don't intend to. My time is more valuable than that. Movies are story-driven. If there is no story, there is no movie, no matter how many special effects one strings together or how much you pay some good-looking actor/actress to headline it. Carolly

I just saw it and discovered that Casette is MY FATHER! :P

Needed more Wookiees. CGI Yoda and flesh-n-blood McDiarmid were the best actors in the film.

thanks to all of the Star Wars fans for not rubbing in the demise of Star Trek prior to Star Wars

The Star Trek franchise is over a decade older than Star Wars. So Star Wars has a bit longer to go to match that.

Basically, both franchises have descended into drek territory in recent years.

However -- regardless of whether Star Trek or Star Wars will have a continued existence on television -- they will both have reverted to their purest form.

In the bookstore.

Through myriad Star Trek novels, Captain Kirk will be just like James Bond -- eternally 35 years old.

The same thing goes for Han Solo.

It only took me 5 short years to go from 35 to 40. But for mythical characters like these -- they'll be 35 when they are 100. And they'll still be getting the girls.

After another generation or two (provided that we have that long yet to go), it'll be like that scene from The Running Man.......

"Mr. Spock, you have the com......."

"Who is Mr. Spock?"

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Oh......and the star of some old movie will be the governor of California.

Or perhaps the President.

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The phantom menace and attack of the clones are really not so bad, they are just not as good as a new hope and the empire strikes back (most films arent ;) ). My favourite is a new hope. There will be a television program of star wars. I just hope it isn`t the jar jar binks story. :)

Well, the star of some old movie wasthe governor of California... and the President, also has a carrier named for him :-)

Why shouldn't speech be free? Very little of it is worth anything.

Well, if we're going to talk about Star Wars in the Poser Forum, why not talk about Star Trek also? Neither uses Poser, but so what? I thought last week's "These are the Voyages" was a terrible episode. Sure, it featured Riker and Troi, but it played more like an episode of TNG. I thought it was supposed to be the finale to "Enterprise", not an expansion of a TNG episode. And they killed Trip! Wouldn't it have created more drama if they killed him a few episodes earlier? And this is the first time in modern history that a Star Trek series has not had a 2-hour special "event" finale. Voyager came home, the Dominion War ended on DS9 and Picard travelled through time on TNG. But, Enterprise? All they got was a visit by Riker and Troi (and a sub-plot about rescuing an Andorian girl) and that was it. I guess people won't have to wonder why the series was cancelled. --John

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I liked the way the show ended with "Space, The final frontier..." being said by all 3 captains of TV ships named 'Enterprise' :-)

Why shouldn't speech be free? Very little of it is worth anything.

Well, there's props for both series out there, and beaucoup (je ne pas parlez francais..ain't if obvious?..;)props, characters, etc., for Poser. So I guess you could bring up Tony01701 or JCHoagland's stuff, respectively. We do tend to render the themes fairly often (though I may go overboard towards..hmm..you know..i haven't done a Star Wars pic in about 2 years..;)
yeah, I'm a bit confused by the last episode..though, there is an 11th Trek movie in the works, though it hasn't got past the 'what story will we tell', and Bermabragga are going to use all new characters..we'll see how far that goes..;) (tongue firmly in cheek, though for now, the movie is real..)

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These movies are just plain fun. I hate that people take them way too seriously. These movies are demo reels from the best and the brightest in our medium. They are the bar which we all aspire to meet. I rarely want to see effects take the place of story. But in these movies. That's exactly what I want to see. Cutting edge effects. George has the best toys and the most money to throw at them. I want to see what he can do. Screw the stupid story and actors altogether. Show me what's possible and make me want to keep getting better at it. Just like instrumental music. Screw the stupid singing and show me what you can do. I guess I'm different from most people. :-)

Well, the star of some old movie wasthe governor of California... and the President, also has a carrier named for him :-)

What!!!????

You're kidding.........?

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On the subject of effects and Star Wars, I've been rather blown away by the talent that went into a recently released 47 minute fanfic, Revelations. The acting isn't the best, but it is all volunteer and isn't exactly terrible. And the graphics work is simply incredible for all volunteer effort. And as a tie in to Poser ... on their making of DVD I even noticed Poser 4 characters in some of their storyboarding work. lol.

Saw it yesterday, loved it!

What the critics don't understand is that these films are NOT movies. Judge them as movies and they fall flat.

They're opera. Opera for the eyes.

And with all the attendant silliness and lack of realism that goes into opera. If you can accept the hero of a Mozart opera not realising the guy talking to him is his girlfriend in a pair of trousers, you can deal with Yoda to the end of a sentence his verbs shoving.

Maxfield, They are not opera! Opera stands the test of time and is still enjoyable a couple of centuries later. Opera has stories. Good opera has excellent stories. I don't spend much time with Italian and Viennese fluff (although Turandot and Madame Butterfly are exquisitely poignant). Give me something like The Tsar's Bride or Khovanshchina where you have politics and personal tragedies mixing on the grand scale. Or Tristan and Isolde. Or Boris Gudenov. The Legend of the Invisible City of Kitezh has treachery and redemption as themes. Some people know how to write a love scene! Some people know how to write about revolution and despair. Some people know how to write about politics and betrayal. Lucas knows nothing of this. Carolly

Carolly, you are too much extreme. I go to cinema for fun. And I swear, yesterday I got A LOT OF FUN. Go and watch it!! :) Fin, MY SON, cmon, My Young Padawan ... The Dark Side Has You (James Earl Jones voice) :D

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My father dragged me to the first star war movien, I was about 12 at that time. First resentley did I realise that the tre last movies isn't a remake of the tre first movies. I've thought Lucas just wanted to do them again because the possiblility of 3D, digital and so on has improved so much since the first 3 was made. I think it was the first of the 3 new ons I saw, don't remember the name of it, but I was dissapointed with the effects. I saw it only because of the effects, just as I saw all Matrix, Van Helsing ao. Guess I should had seen it with other glasses on.

Speaking of using other glasses, just to really blow everyone's socks off, Lucas is already in the process of reworking (again) all of the 6 movies in 3D! They will be rereleased in theaters for the ultimate experience in eye-candy!

That rumour about a 3d version of the films is highly unlikely, to do it right they would actually have to film the six films all over again, it would cost more to make them than it did originally.

Well, if the results looks like Animatrix, I need to see this ... :)

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Well, from what I understand, it is not rumor. Lucas has already begun. And they aren't doing any refilming, but playing tricks with the film. Hey, if they do it, awesome, if not, then so be it. I am still clinging to the hope that this film will be big enough at the box office that Lucas will give in and make another trilogy.

I don`t think that money is the problem about making another 3 films, it might be difficult getting all the actors back to do more films, but I would like to see the last three chapters, too.

That movie was great. Anyone that isn't going to go see it, go see it. You will be completely missing out on the sheer fun involved. George Lucas takes it critically in the rear for a couple of his shortcomings all the time. The whole idea of SW is to be like the Saturday afternoon sci fi serial (read cheesy). The fact remains, what he does do well, he does better than anyone else. Go to see Star Wars for what is good about it. Please don't be too busy having opinions (whether unfounded or not) to take in an artist's work while they are alive and the work is fresh.
You could skip Ep I and Ep II, if you want. This movie is more strongly tied in with ANH than EpII. And the flavor of the older films is much more present here than in Ep I and II.
And, by the way, Leah Organa says that her mother died very young. She is talking about Bail's wife, not Padme. She doesn't know she is Padme's daughter. So, it is actually Bail's wife that dies very young.
This shouldn't be about GL not deserving the $3.50 it costs for one person to see this film. The effort of all the artists involved should be important. And they did one hell of a job. One hell of a job. GL had a tough act to follow with Return of the King. And follow it he did. This film will is the visual crown jewel of SW.

"I saw it only because of the effects, just as I saw all Matrix" The first Matrix movie really had me excited. Here I thought we were witnessing one of the first "sci-fi" movie to adapt the "Alice In Wonderland" style of surrealism, touching on everything from drugs to philosophy. I loved it in a different way than most others I think. I thought it transcended the genre into a more psychological "trip" if you will. LOL. Or... maybe it's just the LSD I tried once when I was 18 making me see things differently today. DON'T DO DRUGS KIDS! 8-0 Either way, I thought the final two episodes sucked, and even with all the special FX and eyecandy, it was disappointing to see such a typical story evolve from the great potential cooked up in the first movie. Sadly, the only thing The Matrix will most likely be remembered for is Keanu's horrible acting, and the "bullet time" FX that EVERYONE seems to have copied now. :-(

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I made a point to miss that episode. Honestly, I haven't really watched Enterprise since the first season. It got to be like Voyager. Bevis (Berman) and Butthead's (Braga) "Let's spread political correctness through the galaxy" formula. The original series dealt with real issues, and for a while so did TNG. Of course B&B consider TOS to never have happened so it's no surprise what they've done with the franchise. When I heard Troi and Riker were going to be in the final episode of Enterprise I couldn't help but wonder if they were going to explain it away by having "Bobby step out of the shower" if you know what I mean. That, or it was going to be "Generations" all over again where the founding of the Federation would never have happened without the TNG crew being there. ST just needs to go away for a while and have someone else put in charge of it.

"Either way, I thought the final two episodes sucked.." Yep me too. I saw number 2, expecting it would show something new like 1 did. (Thinking that they proberly had learned that ppl expect, if not more then something new, of a follow up) I was wrong. I decided to see number 3 because now they must had listen to the audience who was dissapointed by number 2. 3 was a bit better than number 2 though, I though. But - 1 had been enough. I saw the characters story as a modern Jesus (so nothing original there)

Hauksdottir you couldnt pay me to watch most of these operas (I suppose it would depend on how much I was payed :) ). Opera stories are usually older plays or stories by other people so comparing them to star wars doesnt seem fair some how.

*"Through myriad Star Trek novels, Captain Kirk will be just like James Bond -- eternally 35 years old.

The same thing goes for Han Solo."*

I don't know about kirk, Xenophonz, but as for star wars, Han Solo is aging along with the rest of the cast. The last novel I read (and didn't finish) in the star wars novel line (or expanded universe, as its commonly referred to), was Vector Prime which takes place approximately 25 years after the events of ROTJ, and in which Anakin "jr" and the twins are adults, Luke is married to Mara Jade and Han is in his mid to late 50s. Oh, and chewie's dead (which was approved by lucasarts). There have been several other novels written since VP, that take place afterward but I haven't gotten to them yet. So, as far as the star wars plots go, the characters do progressively age. And for those of you out there who don't consider the novels to hold any barring on the films, all the star wars novel plots are conceived by lucasarts and assigned to select authors. Once in a while a rogue author will present a manuscript and if its approved by lucas it gets published. Back in the 80s and 90s when star wars got a new boost in the writing world, i believe more of the manuscripts were conceived by rogue authors on their own and then presented for approval, but now it is the reverse. And because of this progressive aging of the main characters in the novels, it makes perfect sense for lucas to do the 3rd trilogy. Ford, Fisher and Hamil are all of the same age as their characters in the books. Well, give or take, and their children are adults. Lucas said the story was to cover 3 generations of the skywalker family. And the original cast were all signed at one point to do a 4th film, that was never written. Lucas wouldn't even have to think up a new plot for the 3rd trilogy, its already been written for him, and would most likely be far better than anything he could come up with... Which is probably what he's afraid of... Sam Jackson mentioned the 3d re-release the other night on the Letterman show. And I am almost certain that lucas mentioned it himself in his Q/A with Hayden Christiensen on moviefone.com - Lucas is not about to let the star wars empire die out now. What else does he have to do? they already pulled the plug on the 4th installment of indianna jones.

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"Let's spread political correctness through the galaxy" formula. The original series dealt with real issues, and for a while so did TNG.

Yes.....that's what originally turned me off to Trek -- beginning with TNG. And the first episode of Voyager drove in the spike.

The whole thing became so nauseatingly PC as to be unwatchable.

BTW -- I am willing to predict that classic Trek -- for all of its hokiness -- will still be in re-runs on cable TV long after TNG (not even mentioning Voyager or Deep Space Nine) will have been virtually forgotten.

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I don't know about kirk, Xenophonz, but as for star wars, Han Solo is aging along with the rest of the cast. The last novel I read (and didn't finish) in the star wars novel line (or expanded universe, as its commonly referred to), was Vector Prime which takes place approximately 25 years after the events of ROTJ, and in which Anakin "jr" and the twins are adults, Luke is married to Mara Jade and Han is in his mid to late 50s. Oh, and chewie's dead (which was approved by lucasarts).

Theoretically, Kirk was killed off, too.....but in the Star Trek universe, being dead is just a minor technicality.

A novel has already been written (by William Shatner, I think) in which Capt. Kirk is brought back to life by the Borg.

Neat trick, eh?

No.....my point concerning characters like Kirk and Solo being eternally 35 had more to do with the continuance of the story franchise.

Sure, I've even seen a many-years-ago "biography" of James Bond, in which the ex-agent was portrayed as an aging retiree.

But Bond is still doing what he's always done -- for all that. In fact, his "official biography" has dropped off into forgotten obscurity.

If nothing else, the fans will keep Han Solo alive. So long as the fans themselves are alive, and care about such things.

Who knows? If they can seriously talk about making a "Mr. Ed" movie, then someone might bring back Trek or SW's 50 years from now.........

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I am thinking that although George Lucas stated that there would be no third trilogy, he will definitely change his mind. He may not be quite as involved, but like ExistentialDisorder says, he's not gonna let the empire die now.
There are some signs in the movies, for example, if the prophesy was that Annikin would bring balance to the force, and it seems he has, at the end of ROTJ, then who is on the Dark Side? The only two people left with the force are Luke and Leia. Is it Leia, Luke, or did the Emperor not die? Keeping in mind that lots of characters have fallen down shafts and lived to tell the tale (even with big explosions at the bottom). I have heard that some books have Luke or Leia turn to the Dark Side, but I don't read those non-canon books. How can there be balance if there is no evil Jedi? Even if the Emperor is dead, then why couldn't the Force just parthogenetically create a new Sith?
And (spoiler) if Yoda is having visions of Qui-Gon, why does he not appear to Luke with Annikin and Obi Wan? (other than the character didn't exist at the time of ROTJ). Is it that the ability to appear to living Jedi can only work with someone who has a connection to the dead Jedi's? This sounded to me like a way to work Liam Neeson into something, rather than a brief explanation of Luke's visions. Could be wrong tho.
I'm thinking that after the rerelease (starting 2007), Episode VII will be announced and be on the screen three years later.

Is it just me, or did I like the version of Boba Fett that was portrayed through the novelizations before George had to come and mess everything up?

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Just caught a matinee viewing. All I can say is. It's not that great. Just OK. The effects were great. But nothing really new we haven't seen before. So I was forced to pay attention to the actors. A very flat movie. The ending was OK. But ughh, it started out worse than a fan film.

I've got my tickets for tomorrow! Weeeeee! My sisters and my Mom all going to see it together. We've seen all the movies together (except episode 1 because I was living on the other side of the US.) My Mom took us to see the original Star Wars on opening weekend, we were soooo excited! So going to see the last one together is like a nostolgic family-bonding-monent for me. LOL. My poor mom. I drove her crazy after Empire with my endless "why" questions. LOL. ;) Anyhoo, Has anyone noticed Hiro looks like an anime Young Obi Wan?

I count the star wars films as being the real story and the novels just being stories made up by other people.

Caravaggio - you make some valid points. back in the mid 90's when lucas first made the announcement of new star wars movies, and breathed life back into the star wars saga, he stated that the movies were intended to cover 3 generations of skywalkers, which meant 9 episodes, and that he'd originally done the middle trilogy first because he felt it was the most important part of the story. of course i have noticed that parts of his story change from one interview or magazine article to the next, and how drastic the changes are depends on how much time has passed between one to the next. I also remember him stating in the same article that he intended to have all 9 episodes released by the year 2000. that, by the way, was not the first time he'd mentioned the "3 trilogies/3 generations" bit. His most recent comments have been that he has no intention of making any more star wars films, other than the work he's planning for tv. he's also changed his story a bit and said that when he first wrote star wars it began with vader walking through the door (presumably leia's cruiser doors from the beginning of ep3) and ended with vader throwing the emperor down the energy shaft. he realized this was way too much for one film so he cut it up into 3 parts. yadda yadda. So, if you watch the interviews and read the articles, you can see that different statements he makes about star wars vary from time to time. Somebody stated at some point earlier that empire and jedi were written by someone(s) other than lucas, which is true, to an extent, but lucas created the basic script/outline for all the movies. he knew what he wanted to happen in each film. i'm sure he had help fleshing the story content out for the original trilogy, at least much more so than he has in the new trilogy. so to sum it up, there's really no telling. i don't see him making a 3rd trilogy, even though i'd like for it to happen. other people that have worked on the films - to include actors - have made hints here and there that another film is possible, but they're just hints. at this point who knows. lucas himself probably doesn't really know. with vader out of the picture, its not likely. If you're interested in knowing about other dark jedi/sith and the various goings-on of the surviving star wars characters, you should pick up some of the novels and read them. luke and leia both have gone down the path of the dark side, but they didn't stay for very long. leia doesn't deal with the force at all anymore cause it scares her, basically. and there was one point where vader's spirit tormented her in dreams. luke has established the new jedi order, and there's a whole series of books about that, which were pretty much kicked off with the new jedi academy trilogy, and carried on later. there's still dark jedi and various students that fall to the dark side, etc etc. the primary enemy of the republic in the most current novels are called the yuson vong (which i'm sure i spelled wrong) - who are much more dangerous and threatening than the empire or any sith could ever have been - they're from outside of the galaxy and force powers are pretty much unefective against them. their weapons have unimaginable power that make anything the republic throws at them look like b-b-guns compaired to an ak-47. and of course, their goal is to rule the galaxy - what else?... the cool part is that if you read enough of their story, you start finding that they've actually been slipping in and out of the galaxy in secret for thousands of years - possibly even longer than the republic has existed - and have had a lot of influence over various politics. star wars history dates back to about 25,000 years before the films, but so far most of it is just bits and pieces compiled through various installments of novels. there's a book called the essential chronology, that was written just after episode 1, that summarizes the bulk of the history, beginning briefly with the advent of the hyperdrive, and ending a few decades after rotj. its a lot easier than trying to read all the dozens of novels, to basically get the same info. in a lot of ways i personally find the history of the star wars universe more interesting than the films. but i guess that's the "histories mysteries" buff in me... E.D.

The empire could continue after the emperors death. Yoda says in episode 3 that prophecys can be wrong.

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I saw the movie last night at the 10:45pm showing! The theatre was less than 1/3rd full, but still included some morons who brought thier infant in a car seat into the theatre - where there was the immenent thunderously loud THX sound test followed by a movie full of explosions. Arent these people concerned about the healthy hearing of thier child, or the possibility that all the explosions could be disturbing? I mean really, anyone that can afford a matinee ticket price SHOULD be able to afford a sitter for 3-4 hours?? I couldnt friggin believe it..... Anyhow, what I got from the movie was a great deal of excitement from the MANY incredibly coreographed sabre duels! The eye candy was pretty rich thru the whole movie. But the plot was laughable. The kid is ready to turn in the senator for being a sith, and with no display of proof, the senator can just say, "oh comon, become evil and im sure we can save your wife" and after what seemed a pretty damn short time of deliberation, he is betraying Mace and slaughtering CHILDREN???? These werent the sand people, these were innocent kids he had known in the jedi temple for who knows how long? He just opts to murder instead of trying to capture/mindcontrol/turn at the very least? Then to add intellectual insult to injury, we see the senator/emperor/sithlord put the kid thru a full cyborg surgery without even a local anesthetic (they can warp across the cosmos but have no space-morphine? I dont think so!) Then as soon as the kid is big bad and scary looking, the sith tells him "oh by the way, looks like both your wife and unborn child are dead and you did it cause I pissed you off so much but I cant do jack to undo it despite how versatile I said this dark side was" and the kid in the next scene is just hanging out looking sinister with the guy and looking like hes considering discussing doing lunch together instead of drawing and quartering him???? I dunno. I know its all fantasy and entertainment but the characters were so unrealistic it was impossible to relate to them really, and the movie just had a huge sence of lacking something important to me. I am glad to have seen all six of the movies on the big screen. I may well go see it again before it leaves theaters knowing when I go in to just enjoy the special effects. They do rock.

"LOS ANGELES (AP) - The last of the "Star Wars" movies has done what no movie in history has ever accomplished - sold $50 million worth of tickets in a single day." "LOS ANGELES (AP) - Moviegoers have turned out in full force for the final chapter of the "Star Wars" saga, which took in $158.5 million since its opening to shatter three-day and four-day box office records. "Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith" grossed $124.7 million from Thursday to Saturday, according to studio estimates Sunday. That's higher than the three-day record set by the first "Spider-Man," which took in $114.8 million in May 2002 - though "Star Wars" had a lower Friday-Sunday take ($108.5 million) than the Tobey Maguire film." E.D.

Logansfury- I liked the effects too, in fact that is what Star Wars has always been about, using the computer to control cameras and create new effects and wow the audience. GL has never claimed that he was a literary giant. I tend to agree with you on your crit about the lack of a credible reason for Annikin to switch so quickly.
That being said, the movie can only be so long. Also, remember that Yoda and Obi-wan are incredibly afraid throughout episodes 5-6 that if Luke even so much as comes near the Emperor, his turn to the Dark side is pretty much a foregone concusion. Remember how Annikin says that he knows he shouldn't kill Dooku, but says that he doesn't know why he feels compelled to do so anyway? Well, he's standing right next to the Emperor at that point. Clearly Lucas's intention is for us to begin to understand that the Emperor's power goes beyond simple persuasion. This is why the final triumph of Vader and Luke over the Emperor carries even more weight. Vader cannot disobey his master, and it is only through the power of Luke's selfless act to die before he would kill his own father that Vader realizes he has to finally sacrifice himself to beat the Emperor and save his son.
I don't know why they didn't use a bacta tank for the surgery tho. I totally agree with you there!
I think too that Lucas will get more money out of this movie if he says its the last one, he's flip flopped so many times I suspect he's only half-hearted about it. Besides, GL has kids, who would be a child of Lucas without eventually inheriting the franchise?
Word is tho, he's moving on to other projects, but doesn't say what they are. Maybe there's something totally new and mindblowing coming?

caravaggio - You have a really good point there with the decapitation of Dooku! Weve seen Qui Gon (sp?) and Obi Wan use the jedi mind influence on several characters by speaking and using a semantic hand gesture. Perhaps the sith can use Force "suggestion" without the need to wave the hand, and when the senator was saying "he is too dangerous to live" he was actually using a Sith "subliminal force" command on Annie?

Yes, I think you are right there, I hadn't thought of it that way. Also, Palpatine on several occasions I think reassures the people he's talking to that he'll be able to "persuade" someone to do something he needs them to do.
For instance, this happens in AOTC, when he persuades Padme to take the Jedi as her bodyguards, and she gets a strange look on her face, and Yoda seems to notice something strange going on at that moment as well.

I thought it was interesting that palpatine mentioned a darth plagus, who had mastered the dark side to the point of being able to create life via the force. its possible that lucas was hinting at how anakin came to be, with this. since he was an imaculate conception. maybe this was palpatine's master, and it was palpatine that killed plagus in his sleep. palpatine had to have had a master at some point... of course this will never be explored in any of the films, but maybe in a future novel. i think anakin was inherently evil from the beginning, and it was just perpetuated by his immaturities and lack of patience with obi-wan's teachings. pay attention to the things he says in ep2, when he's sitting in the field with padme. this was before the tusken raiders slaughter. his suggestion is that government should consist of a group of people who come up with what's best for the people as a whole, and then work on putting those plans into action. when padme tells him that's what they do, only the problem is getting everyone to agree. he replies by saying then they should be made to, but passes it off as a joke. E.D.

I was talking about this scene in another forum with people who read the novels. And in fact. Plageous was the master of Sidious. And Sidius did indeed kill Plageous. And Anakin was intentionally created by the siths. Apparently the novels have already explained all this stuff and it's not really new. -ScottA

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"Alright Rabbit! You've convinced me!" I'll go forth and start reading these books... which one do I start with? I remember one from back in the day called "Splinter of the Minds Eye" or something like that. Is that the first one? Or are these all over the place, different series and such? Which ones are most like the movies?

That is very cool, Cassette. So i'll have to go get that one. Caravaggio, there are dozens of novels in the E.U. If you pick up one of the newer novels they usually have a time-line printed in the front or back that shows a listing of all of them in chronological order (up to the printing of the one you're looking at) of what time period it takes place. They aren't published chronologically tho, so just because it is the latest book released, doesn't mean it will fall in line with the one that came out just before it. a lot of the story of the clone wars is written in novels. Splinter of the Minds Eye, I believe, takes place between ep4 and ep5, and it was the first s.w. book written outside of the films - back in the late 70s. There are series that deal with the Rogue Squadron, that are primarily about the pilots, not the main s.w. characters. Then there's Shadows of the Empire, which takes place between Ep5 and Ep6. The Jedi Academy Trilogy was good, and you get some good info about the ancient histories in that, like Exar Kun, etc. Just look in the inside covers of some of the New Jedi Order series to find a timeline, and pick a few titles to start with. Or, as I stated in a previous post, you can look for a book called the essential chronology, that summarizes a lot of the back story, prior to the release of ep1 - info that's been "discovered" durring ep2 and ep3 is not included, unless there's been an updated version released. E.D.