Regarding to some early posts I was given the idea of making a Bryce CD content. I got more than 100 Bryce models, all made by myself of course, and I was wondering if any Brycers could be interested in buying such a CD. I got models in differents categories. - SCI-Fi ( Ships, Alien thingies, UFOs etc..) - Architecture (House in ruins, differents highly detailed buildings ) - Terrains - Nature ( Plants, Grass, Trees etc ..) - Transportation ( Train, Rails, Signals , concept cars etc ) - Construction ( Gears, Highly details structures etc ) -Technology ( Robots, technical stuff etc ...) And of course the "Master Class Models" (LOL) - The Sentinel Robot and the "Street at night" ( with 3 differents buildings including lighting and everything needed for a really cool scene ) I would also include -The SFX pack ( Aurora, Flares, Fire etc..) and many tutorials in PDF format : - Making an explosion (bullet trhough a wall) - Volcano and Lava - Crop circles - Making a drape ( to cover a body ) for example - Etc...

So could someone be interested with that CD? I got the oppotunity to make a dedicated web site for the selling, with a complete (safety on-line paiment) that could accept about 16 differents devices.. As the content is more than 650 Mb.. It would be only available on a CD and sent anywhere.. (about 1 week to recieve it) (no download at this time) My last question is .. How much should I sell it?.. I have no Idea of the price of such content.. Any advice would be much appreciated!

I'm curious too, thinking about selling some models myself, feeling bit more comfortable with my modeling, lately, $100 maybe ???

Sell it for no less than 20$ plus shipping...Thats high class stuff!

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Well How about breaking it up inot a few parts lets say 4 and sell each for 8.95 and then you can buy the whole works for 29.95. Then people will think they are getting a deal. At that price the hobbyist will be very interested and I think you will make up for it on the volume.

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Dann-O's seems more commercial, great marketing strategy. The price sounds good too. List everything including S&H.

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I concur with TwistedBolt.... in that those models are quite high class. 8) I would say that you would get your best response if you were to set a price between $30 and $60 for a CD. You don't want to basically give it away at too cheap a price... but you still want to stay with in peoples budgets and their ability to pay the price. I am sure that you could sell your models buddy. Those in the image are quite nice indeed. 8) Just my thoughts though.

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I think the 29.95 is very good, the sheer amout of volume you would sell them at would make up for the cheaper price point I would think.Good luck!!

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Thank you for answering! Yes Dann-O commercial strategy is good, if I could, that's what I would do, But (for the moment) I just can't offer to download files and the faster way for me to get this project available is to send the whole CD content. Maybe in a second time I will make a PHP database with security codes and everything... Then I could offer to buy just some items. But not for the moment. You all said that 30$ is a good price, I think I can do that, I must know first how the CD (with booklet inside) copy will cost and the postal charge too of course. I got a lot of work still on the Web site because I want to describe the whole content ( with pictures of every models ) I think it's necessary to offer a complete view of what buyers will get. Kemal, I've seem some of your artwork (hi class!) and I would be curious to see some of your models! Anyway, just 4 fun.. I've made this image, do you think it could be ok for the "advertising" part of the project?

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Very good looking advert I say.

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Thank you TwisterBolt ;-)

That matrix Sentinel? Could you sell that?

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As long as it's not an exact copy, and you don't all it "Matrix Sentinel, I don't see why not. Good point though, would check into that. Packaging looks great!

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Pidjy, you could call it Guardian Robot and be done with that. :-) Yeah, the pricing of $29.95 looks nice.

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Hey robertJ I think I could as long as it's only "numerical data" and it's not taken from any Matrix Movie Media. I think that I may not use the "sentinel" name for it.. but "squid" and not mentioned the "Matrix movie" But if anyone has some information regarding that robot design copyright... cheers

As ICM said , it's not the exact copy of the original robot design, but it's only "inspired" from it... at least I may simply remove the robot image from the package..

If you sell it at DAZ you could probably get away with higher pricetags as in here. In here it's a pain to sell any bryce models!

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Pidji, your work worths more than 100$. I'll personally would sell the objects separately, maybe, at DAZ or here. But I am not a marketing expert.. so... Great great idea, btw!! vasq

Great idea! I think this package could be the top Bryce content CD existing(knowing your high quality modeling). Still think you should consider splitting up the stuff though. You could easily sell some of this stuff one by one. :)

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I would certainly think you could sell your work. I have some of the stuff you have given away and think it is absolutely terrific! And I would of course take be grateful for any more (hint) lol. Good luck in this endeavor!

I agree with those commenting on splitting the items into individually available models. There are several in there that I would purchase immediately as stand alones but would think twice about if I had to pay more for the full package. I think that leaves you with three packaging options: 1. Sell it only as a bundle...fewer transactions but more money per transaction. 2. Sell each piece individually OR all as a bundle...probably results in a very high number of transactions. 3. Make a few available individually, perhaps one from sci fi, one from terrain or buildings, one from texture/mat, maybe even one free...this would get people hooked and make them more willing to (and perhaps more anxious to)purchase the full package on CD. Based on what we know of your skills I think you could probably very easily get DAZ to broker these in which ever packaging option you choose. I don't know anything about their merchant agreement but taking that route would probably expose your models to a wider audience. As to pricing...I think we've all seen content CD's of this quality range into the multiple hundreds of dollars. 2, 3, 4 even $500...but how many of us would pay THAT much? I love several of the models and would love to have them but at that cost it would be prohibitive. Pricing really becomes an emotional issue because only you know how much work and attention to detail went into each model. Some modelers are driven by a desire to make money while others are more driven by wanting to see their models used in renders. Perhaps choose three possible prices for a bundeled CD and ask again, "Would you but these at price A? at price B? at price C?" It would only be a thumb in the wind but it is a better measure than just the open ended question, "How much should I charge?" The other thing to consider is that with the new releases of Bryce there is probably a growing community of brand new Bryce users....(most of whom are probably easiest reached through DAZ) Bearing that in mind, if you made one or two of these models available at a reasonable price and included a "making of" tutorial you could really drive a lot of interest towards looking at a bundled CD. So there is my first 2 cents down payment... Sorry...I guess I have my marketing hat on this morning.

Sell at DAZ in smaller Packs and they will host the files...

Please, do promise that overseas shipping will be possible!!

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i'll buy it !!! 'nough said.

Here are my feelings on price, when I saw the suggestion of $100 - I thought "no way can I afford that!" When I saw the suggestion of $20, I thought, "Now that I could afford". I do realise that shipping to the UK may not be possible or would bump up the price rather, so until you know what effect that would have, I don't know... So basically you need to balance the amount of effort that went into making them against the need to make it affordable to the greatest number without just giving it away.... But trying to make it seem like a give-a-way, after all everyone loves a bargain. Fran

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Hey pidjy. Check this link for a "similar" sentinel model retailing at $59.99. oops !! Yeah like people are saying, split ur package into smaller chunks, then sell them. al

Thank you for the link omac2, compared to this my model look brand new! lol..and 59$ is more than would cost my entire collection!!! Dear Claymor, could you lend me your marketing hat for a while? I think you are right on every points. At this time I'm thinking of selling seperated collections via Daz ( if they accept) and selling the entire collection via my own website..(with a sefaty online payment accepting 16 devices) now the point is that I can easely redirect some customers to DAZ shop from my place... but could they put a link to my site on my products page hosted by them? The other point is that If I sell the entire collection by myself, I will only get 30 or 40% of benefits for the products sell via DAZ, that mean to have a higher price that what I would propose if I was trying to sell different Item by myself. Other point, talking about money... I got about 7 collections : -Architecture -Sci-Fi -Nature -Fantasy Landscape -Hi-tech -Alien Construction Kit -SFX If I sell all the collections for 30 or 40$.. what could be the price of only one collection? So many questions still...

Why not make the squiddie poseable now when there is DAZ Studio in Bryce? :-D

one model like squiddy alone should deserve to fetch them 30-40 bucks, unfortunately with the pricelevels overhere and at daz, you'll prolly won't get too many sales above $15 for mr squiddy. You've got a good name overhere though, so I think that should help boost sales. Me myself I'm not too well known outside the forum, so I can't hardly get a collection of multiple models to sell for just $7.50 :-/ not even after sponsoring the weekly flyer! I thought that would get me a sale or two at least but it was actually the beginning of 3 months of absolutely NO sales whatsoever LOL apparently I suck at marketing myself :P

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Pidjy - I think DAZ only sells items exclusively - so if you're selling the models with them, you can't sell them elsewhere (though I could be wrong).

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Hang on though...what you need to remember is that while you'll only get 30%-40% of something sold on Daz that doesn't mean you have to automatically raise the price. What you're hoping is that selling on DAZ will generate more volume...so if you keep the price the same but sell 4 times as many you wind up making similar money. If your goal is to make as much as you can per sale then your pricing will be different than if your goal is to make a certain total per month or per model. With the quality of your work I think you have a chance to be seen as one of the premier modelers in DAZ's Bryce arsenal. You need to see what they'll let you do and not do interms of connecting buyers to a site outside their control. Or, at a minimum, giving you access to contact information for Buyers. You could possibly put your web site info in a read me file that goes out with the models but I am not sure how many of us read those. The other thing to consider is timing of your releases. Just because you have a lot of models to sell right now doesn't mean you have to put them all on the market right now. You might consider using DAZ to create a market, and a following, by only releaseing one or two series or one or two models there...especially if you can redirect buyers to your site. Releasing models over time gives you a mechanism for brining customers back time after time...like the DAZ monthly freebie, Baument's updated freebie, etc etc Putting all the collections out at once means you'd have people come look who can't afford right now. You'd then have to hope they remembered you when they COULD afford it. Putting stuff out monthly, or periodically, gives them a new reason to come look every time you release. ok, I'll stop...sorry... (if you'd like the marketing hat is available for conversation at cofletcher@yahoo.com )

I'm pumped. I knew that Bryce was for sale (I've been out of the loop 6-12 months) and forgot all about it. Now I see DAZ has a slightly updated version for $100. For me, this is great, I've toyed with hacked copies a few years ago and bought a version 2 or 3 copy but never used it. Its been at least 2 years since I've actually touched Bryce.

Now I see DAZ's site and your model pictures and I'm pumped (until I see how badly my artistic skills really are!). The micro payment concept is great, afterall, at $2-10 each for a model it is an impulse item. Like the staircase? buy it. Like the train, buy it.

My suggestion, do as Claymor suggested. Build up a user base of interested people via Daz. Sell only some items. Build up your own site and offer items exclusively at both sites. Use Daz for cross promotional purposes to push people to your site for tutorials, whole CDs, etc. You might find that running a merchant account on your site doesn't pay for items selling less than a few dollars each. Use Daz for the low end items and to draw newbies like myself. Once we are comfortable with you we will use your site and you will get a higher % of the sale price.

Nice pictures, I'd buy the wizard's house and mystical pathway!

Pidjy I've used some of your models and can definately vouch for the quality of them. It would certainly be fantastic if there was a chance to buy the models you have, that I've seen in your images, and always thought "I'd really like to have them myself". Go for it, if you don't venture out you'll never make the gain and you're models need to be used. 8) Catlin

Pidjy, Here is a thought, why not just sell them manually, cash/check. You could possibly even setup a paypal account. Forget the online transactions, etc. Find 2-4 people here, sell them a small subset (don't sell it all, its too easy for it to be hacked/traded on the web in mass) for a few dollars. Get them to vouch for the quality and maybe submit renderings of a few objects. Grow things slowly. Don't spend 100 hours building a fancy site with a shopping cart when all you need is a casual ftp program on your home machine (or a gmail account) and the ability to cash a check. Ask people to send your $20 in cash. If it takes off, use the first few buyers as seeds to determine pricing. Why hassle with a complex sales site to start. I just found DAZ, and while it may be an option, remember that they are probably going to want 20-40% of your sales (or more) and may require exclusivity on some of your models. If you do that, work out an agreement where you get the rights back from them (and they loose them) after X weeks of sales below a certain amount. i.e. if they stop promoting or sales aren't 5 units each per month than they have to stop selling and you get the rights back. The last thing you want to do is give up 100% of your copyright to Daz or a buyer for a lousy $20. You need to determine how licensing will work. If not, you may spend 30 hours of your time building a model and only making 1 sale for $20 on it....not a good hourly rate!