Lunaseas opened this issue on Feb 10, 2001 ยท 17 posts
Lunaseas posted Sat, 10 February 2001 at 8:08 PM
Attached Link: Modeling a rapier
My husband has seen some of the rapier-like sword models available for Poser and doesn't think they quite model a rapier. He has set up a web page with photos and a movie of a rapier he owns if anyone wants to take that information to make a model.Xurge posted Sat, 10 February 2001 at 11:47 PM
Xurge posted Sun, 11 February 2001 at 12:43 AM
I just noticed I missed the hand finger guard. Be right back...
Xurge posted Sun, 11 February 2001 at 1:36 AM
soulsong posted Sun, 11 February 2001 at 4:09 AM
Xurge, I for one am very very impressed. Posting a request to you is like being able to call on magic :)))))
Xurge posted Sun, 11 February 2001 at 4:21 AM
Thanks soulsong, I love doing this stuff. When I saw the request, I could not help myself.
ookami posted Sun, 11 February 2001 at 6:20 AM
Umm.... er... WOW... can I just borrow the talent in your little pinky?
Lunaseas posted Sun, 11 February 2001 at 3:53 PM
Wow, overnight and boom a rapier! Please send the obj file to me at: mightyaphroditeami@yahoo.com Once again, thanks for your impressive and speedy response! -Kirsten
Xurge posted Sun, 11 February 2001 at 4:27 PM
Its being uploaded as I type. You should receive it in the next few minutes.
Great Bizarro posted Mon, 12 February 2001 at 11:58 AM
Flatten & widen the blade a bit and you have a great model for a schlagger weapon.
Lunaseas posted Tue, 20 February 2001 at 8:05 AM
A couple of notes from my husband. The following words are all his, not mine: First, the overal shape of the model is very nice. I congratulate you. You did make one material error that is also made by a lot of antiquarians and museum curators. You made the ricasso part of the "hilt" material instead of part of the "blade" material. However, a good texture map can get around this detail. Unfortunately the model's proportions are not right for a rapier--they're more appropriate for a modern foil with an overly-short blade. I discovered this when I shrank it down to fit into the man's hand--the overall weapon was far too short, especially the blade. Furthermore, the blade is too narrow for this type of rapier. Ultra-narrow rapiers were more typical of the later Transitional era (which usually had a cup-style hilt). If you look at the diagram photo up top, a typical rapier would have the following length proportions: Section A: 12.3% Section B: 4.8% Section C: 82.9% Yes, the weapon has THAT MUCH length in its blade. The idea was to get the enemy as far away from you as you could manage. If he got in close, that was what the dagger or a good kick to the knees was for (or a slam with that stout pommel). The blade would have a width at its widest point roughly 1/2 the "B" distance. As for a "schlagger" weapon--The proper schlaeger uses a "scottish"-looking basket hilt and is used entirely for cutting, no thrusts at all. The fact that some hobbyist groups have mis-adapted it for what they call "rapier" in no way makes the practice schlaeger a good model for the rapier. Indeed, the practice schlaeger blade is actually too short and too light for accurate rapier representation. I am working on a set of poses from 16th-century rapier manuals and will have my wife make them available once I am finished. It may be a while, since they're fairly tricky to get just so. In short, a very good model, since it is only such specific fine details that I can criticize.
Great Bizarro posted Tue, 20 February 2001 at 10:25 AM
Is your husbands name Rick?
Xurge posted Tue, 20 February 2001 at 6:38 PM
If you give me the sizes in inches or millimeters, I can model to scale.
Lunaseas posted Wed, 21 February 2001 at 8:48 AM
My husband's name is Bryan, or as I like to call him, Mr Picky:). Thanks Xurge, I'll get him to do that for you.
Dogface posted Wed, 28 February 2001 at 4:09 PM
Dogface posted Wed, 28 February 2001 at 4:20 PM
Dogface posted Wed, 28 February 2001 at 4:32 PM
Some suggestions in using the rapier model if you're better at the technical end than I am: There are (at least from a visiual standpoint) five materials on a rapier: pommel nut pommel hilt handle blade But "blade" should include the ricasso. I don't know how to make morphs or add poseability, but if anybody would want to do that, morphs would be an excellent way to make one rapier model into an infinite number of rapiers. All of the following (according to my research) seem to have varied independenly of each other: Blade length (by up to 10% in either direction for a man of given height). Blade width (by up to 20% wider or 10% narrower). Blade thickness (by up to 10% thicker than in my figures). Waviness--yes, some rapiers had wavy "flamberge" style blades, but that seems to have been more of a fad. Pommel shape (from my truncated cone or "penis-head" to a sphere, to carved miniature human heads, to semispheres, so long as it was sufficiently weighty). Hilt Rings (more or less circular, bigger, smaller) Quillions (one bent forward, both bent forward, one bent forward the other back, both bent so as to have an "S" effect, also varied greatly in length) Knucklebow (Shorter, with or without ornamental reverse curve at end, absent altogether). Unfortunately, I have no idea how I would add such morph features to a rapier model. Magnets seem to only work on the whole model at once.