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I've looked at the artist's gallery and the skill to create these might be there, but while it may have surpassed fantastic ratings from most viewers, I remain a tad skeptical. As my nemesis clonex tends to say, shows me the wireframe!

On the url, I think in addition to the rediculous texture detail, the white-out sky blending into the leaves is what gives it away. The artist may have done a fill on the sky and it gives us those purpleish smears.

Look also on cemetary (http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=980594&Start=-17&Artist=acva&ByArtist=Yes) and see if it looks a bit chewy to you.

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I agree with you. This is my first time posting on the forum... and I hate that it has to be in a somewhat negative light... but I looked at 4 of the artist's images and they all appeared to be photos with a little bryce work thrown in.

Looks like a composite image to me, I noticed there was no claim or reference to the plant materials, so, composite...

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Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=979790&Start=1&Artist=acva&ByArtist=Yes

That compared to the two that followed, with the last i can't even find where the bryce part is, in the other one it is the little figure in the down right corner. But this is Acva we are talking about, he/she has done such things before, its by no doubts a bryce-artists, but there is a lot of work in the gallery that should not be called Bryce mainly for the simple reason that bryce is only a smal percentage of the total. Post-work can lift a work to higher grounds, but sometimes....

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Yep, I'd stake 7 years of Brycing experience that these pictures are not Bryce. At the most, this person has applied photos to a terrain. How hard is that?

Well the poser fig might have been rendered in Bryce beyond that it is Fake. I'll stake 10 years of Brycing on it. (you gotta be nuts but it is true 95 bought Bryce 1.0）

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Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=1115&Start=1&Sectionid=2&filter_genre_id=0&MostWante

we have to remember that the 4th most viewed Bryce image is a low quality jpeg with a water plane... http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=1115&Start=1&Sectionid=2&filter_genre_id=0&MostWanted=Yes

yes its clearly a photograph taken at a shutter speed to slow down/freeze the water with poser figure placed in front.

 

yes its clearly a photograph taken at a shutter speed to slow down/freeze the water with poser figure placed in front.

 

It's an inexpertly selected, cut and alphaed photo with a Poser figure in front of it.

-- erlik

Yeah, you people are all FAR too Polite about it. This guy's a sham, and on top of that, a fucking liar. I hate liars. I have no problem calling him/her out, I don't know what you are all so afraid of. We all know what Bryce is capable of. And we all KNOW what a photograph looks like. I have NO idea why anyone would even take this guy seriously, and all those stupid comments just make all those idiots who posted, "good work!" look like a bunch of total morons. If you're too stupid to be able to tell the difference between a photo and a render, you have no business doing graphics in the first place. There's nothing fun, funny, or remotely cool about being a liar, and there's even LESS good done by supporting such people. This person should be banned from Renderosity, at the very least. Hell, I've been banned for less, myself. In the USA, we call this "Fraud".

LSD don't hold back tell us how you feel. I agree it is a sham.

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Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=899903&Start=1&Artist=acva&ByArtist=Yes

Well, it seems that one of them FOR SURE cant tell the difference in this photo. Hes got skills, but now no need to lie bout your works. If its a photo, post it as photo. In the attached link, even one of em says "where U get the bird, I want it". Well if he/she really wants that bird, well I would say go outside and look for one, cause sure U aint gonna find one from online artists, cause is REAL. Its true and I agree, commeting on his lies just aint right. This reminds me of that guy with the 3D Studio Image, the one with the room setup, where u can see for sure that its a photo. People just dont know when to quit. Post the darn things in the right galleries. When people like these do this, then others expect the same results, which we all know aint gonna happen. Someone tell this guy to get a life or something.

I know that rock texture next to the poser figure, because I've got it and have used it. The rest is - as we have all identified a photo composite. Perhaps we need a new category for composites. I mean I don't mind it as a pic and all. My question is, why was it posted in the Bryce gallery and not the Poser Gallery.

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Not Poser nor Bryce, should be under Mixed OR Photography, cause its a photo with a little add-on if U may call it.

It was so hard for me not to post a comment under those last 2 posts. So I looked here because I knew somebody else had to feel like I did. The one called "the garden" has 3D work in it, but is Poser and not Bryce. If anything it only qualifies as Mixed Medium. But the one called "cemetery", well... I save it to my comp and took a long look at it. The only part that proved this is not a single snapshot is outlined in red. at least one of the headstones was dubbed in. However, it still looks like photo compositing and not a terrain (but I could be wrong). In either case, I honestly do not think these images belong in the Bryce gallery and should be removed.

Thats my two cents....

Mark

Seeing the pic above got me thinking that the tower above the 'church' is all wrong. I don't ever recall having seen a 'church' with this kind of tower/steeple. It should either be square in section with a pyramid type roof or not be there at all.....proof of 3d work perhaps?

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Then you might check out this website as well http://www.atpm.com/10.11/ireland/images/thomastown-gardens.jpg http://www.atpm.com/10.11/ireland/images/glendalough-abbey.jpg http://www.atpm.com/10.11/ireland/ Questions?

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ewwww that's disgusting ... what do they think, that the web is only for them to use? that we cannot find their sources if we want? ...

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SO FREAKIN' BUSTED! I love it. Cannot believe the nerve... Thanks Robert

Well, that guy with the "rendered" room took the first photo that pops out when you search for "living room" on Google images. So he certainly thought nobody could do the same thing. Cornel, I cannot go out and look for a hummingbird. We don't have them here, not even in the Zoo. :-)))))

-- erlik

Erlick who? what room? link, name something... I wanna see Mark

Some people just dont have talent, and more important the will to learn. So they have to find some way to get attention. Even with cheating. Those are weak people who doesnt deserve to think twice of them. That is my opinion !!!

Open your mind and share the knowledge!

Hmmm, what a laugh!!! Ignoring people like that is the best solution. Must say though, a lot of artist here use composing techniques, clouds for one. And how many people actually build their own models? I think its great to see a well thought out scene with other peoples models but, at the same time I think, hey! what the hell did you actually do in this scene to deserve some credit. This technique tends to squash the artist who try to build everything from scratch, spending days if not weeks busting their guts. One more thing before I go get some sleep, whats up with the poser models that are imported into Bryce then simply rendered and chucked in the Bryce gallery. Is it because the Bryce gallery gets so much attention, people think this is the only place to post to be seen. Bull shit If you ask me. Oh yeah! I think those renders are FAKE!!! It would be good to hear it from the sheeps mouth!

I never intended to make art.

They are definitely photographs. RobertJ put the link to the site where he got them in the comments. I have no problem with using a photograph for a background so long as the photograph isn't the main focus of the scene. I think that you should learn to make your own backgrounds, or at least take the photographs yourself, though (otherwise it's just a rank ameteur trying to get attention and/or learn the basic tools while not producing the same crap everyone else on his level is). "Summer" is pretty obviously computer generated. I don't know why the guy feels like he has to post other people's photographs if he can do that (unless, of course, "Summer" is also stolen from someone else). It's not Bryce I think... and the trees in the background are of course photographs. But that sky is very Brycean. And sans-- Couldn't agree more my friend. The point is to learn something, even if you use other people's stuff. But to add something, you only use other people's stuff with their express written permission and give the proper credit. Neither of which he did.

Sorry Erlik that U cant get one out there, as I cant find one here either lol. Maybe if we ask him, he can point us to the artist who created it and buy it from him/her. Wonder if he/she will sell the real one, hehehehehehe. As many said before, its best to just ignore those types of people. It just ticks me off when I see crap like that, and it takes some of us (me for one), days and even weeks to create something. Heck I work on some of the images for weeks in a row, and most of U do too, and to just see crap like this just degrates art itself, let alone the artist. But from what I understood, is that if U use another's photo or creation etc etc, U have to get permission, or am I wrong? Wonder if he/she did get that permission, probably not. Robertj, U THA MAN, them links are a great find. Wonder what he/she thinks bout it now. lgp692000, there was another guy like this one, where he created (so he says) a living room in 3D Studio, but it looked like a photo, well actually it was a photo. I dont remember who put that link here, but I guess U can search the forum for Fake, and probably will find it. Just ignore these types of people, but putting a link to the real photo under his/her gallery would really make it worthwhile, lol. Nice work Robert, very nice work.

I put the link here. The guy took a big photo from a real estate sales site and said he rendered it. But as soon as I posted the link in the comments, he took the photo down. :-)

-- erlik

I just did a search for the thread and found it. I know that photo because I saved it and used it for inspiration on one of my works "Penthouse in the City" http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=781971&Start=19&Artist=lgp692000&ByArtist=Yes As you can see, I did what a real creator would have. Only used the photo (and many others like it) to get a feel for what I wanted to design. You won't find my image in a google search unless you find my image. The backdrop outside the window is a photo, but I do not think there is a doubt about that. DOWN WITH THE POSERS (ummm, I mean wanna-be's)!!!

lgp--
Especially since you answered that in the comments.

But your city isn't the focus of the image, the CG parts are.

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They're gone now, far as I can tell... (shrugs)

With his/her tail between legs I bet! Good work all, I think this forum should scare off any other no good two bit liars. Don't mess with the Bryce detective agency. Don't get me wrong on the comment about using clouds and whatever. Its cool as shinyary2 wrote, its cool so long as its not the main focus, hey I was tired too.

I never intended to make art.

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Thanks Pumeco, now i know for sure.

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Some of the works in the gallery appear to be genuine bryce renders. If you are doing a composite exercise, at least say so and if possible attribute the image you are working with. To claim otherwise IS both foolish and potentially actionable. The wolf images I have some serious questions about though. The proof wireframe does NOT match the image it purports to prove. The posing is wrong and the mountain terrain is wrong.

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Yeah, the wolves I'm still not sure about. I don't care anymore though, I'm not going to bother with this guy anymore.

RobertJ, ooo...errr just keepin' ya on your toes sir, glad to be of service to you.

Back to the subject of this post, IMHO I think the use of photographic material in a render is OK, as long as the author points out it's use in the render. I can understand peoples annoyance with this sort of thing, 'cos it really bug's me as well.

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Attached Link: http://www.artthatsnew.com/artwork/scripts/artofwolves/wolves-individual.cfm?ArtworkID=329

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Unless that's him, which I doubt, he has actually stolen a painting.

I suspected that was the case, banning time (that is, unless they can prove that that is who they are!)

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Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

OMG, that's so blatant, I can't believe it!

Does anyone ever consider that these people don't realize they are making a mistake and that maybe gently pointing out to them that they should state what parts are not bryce in their gallery pieces would save them all this hassle. Ommission does not mean guilt, it may mean ignorance. I think next time you guys come across this sort of thing, instead of doing the lynch mob thing you might want to kindly explain to the person what the majority of us here know, and thats to state the non-bryce things below their picture. Then if the person chooses to ignore this, fine, have at him/her.

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At first I did consider all factors of the situation. My original kneejerk reaction was to point out this thread was overly aggressive. I still somewhat feel that way and not how I would have approached it, yet that's my personal view . After exploring this persons gallery, inspecting each and every piece, reading each & every comment, the facts speak for themselves. There is even a mock up wireframe to dispell the question of validaty of the image that I posted a link to the original artwork. Knowingly posting someone elses artwork is wrong to say the least, and secifically illeagal. We all question our own practices each time we publish OUR art work. Deep down inside our conscience tells us if we are crossing those boundries. If this continues as a regular practice it could not only damage the credibility of the person posting these, but also the rest of this community. There is a responsiblitly for all members here. I suppose tact is just a matter of opinion. ICM (my 2 cents)

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But what about the outright missapropriation of the wolf images (if they cannot prove they are the artist who painted them). The purported proof bryce wireframe is just NOT accurate to the image it is reputed to be. To me this implies knowlege and deception. A full explanation as to why along with proof of authorship is what is needed now. Another thing bugging me - the styles of the various paintings are too varied to typically belong to one artist as well. While this on its own is not definitive, combined with other actions/images, it does cause serious questions for me.

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Has any thought to contact the gallery where L. Kromschroeder's work is to confirm if the artist has a renderosity membership as acva is listed here as John Freddson.

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

I completely agree with you, as I stated, the facts are there. They knew it was fraud, my only apprehension is publically bitch slapping someone. This is why we have this system in place to allow fair treatment for everyone. If they have broken the community rules then the PTB must deal with this accordingly. Which in this case is removal of the images in question, & a befitting reprimand. ie: termed suspension.

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I know I didn't delve into all the facts, I just feel like it should start out at a more polite level, then if as is said the person tries to falsify the validity then bring on the mobs. I'd hate for a newbie to read this thread and get scared off, lol. Ok, I'm off to bryce for a change. :-D

Good point.

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I have to agree with Incarnadine on this one, the styles are just to widely varied to be originals. If you look at the latest posts, they in no way are at the skill level as those wolves. Bryce, maybe combined with some serious Painter work could produce that level of art, but Bryce alone cannot do that. If that were the case, acva should be teaching a Master Class in Bryce. Someone should really contact the artist and see if they are aware that thier paintings are being passed off as digital art.

I agree with Incarnadine too. I'll try sending the painting site an email. And I also had no intention of making this thread a public bitch-slapping.

WOW! I stumbled into this and was quite curious to see that others are put-off by this as I am. I DID write to Lee and he wrote me back. He is NOT acva. The wolf images (well at least the one, "Mate") is not by acva but is a blatant rip-off.

Then its final.

Looks that way! The thing that clinches it is the attempt to pass off a wireframe as proof (and not even well at that!) ...to paraphrase - Got Rope!?

Message edited on: 06/21/2005 19:11

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!

I also wrote to Lee and suggested he contact the admins about fraudulent use of his copyrighted works. The mates work is not the only one, pretty much all of the wolf works are rip-offs. Sad that someone would blatantly rip off an artist and spoof an entire community into believing that those are Bryce works. Hopefully the case will be closed on the fraud in a short time.