Helgard opened this issue on Jul 06, 2005 ยท 44 posts
Helgard posted Wed, 06 July 2005 at 6:16 PM
Attached Link: http://www.contentparadise.com/user/product.php?productid=11955
Available now, my third featured freebie from Content Paradise. Loads of featues and moving parts and stuff. Enjoy.
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Helgard posted Wed, 06 July 2005 at 6:24 PM
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martial posted Wed, 06 July 2005 at 6:26 PM
Thanks for the boat
onimusha posted Wed, 06 July 2005 at 7:06 PM
Sweet...
Alisa posted Wed, 06 July 2005 at 7:26 PM
Wow - beautiful! Thank you (off to snag it)
Cheers,
Alisa
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AlteredKitty posted Wed, 06 July 2005 at 7:38 PM
Wow! Thank you :) ali x
UVDan posted Wed, 06 July 2005 at 8:32 PM Forum Moderator
Looks mighty familiar. Have you put this out before in a non poser version? Many thanks for all your freebies.
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Helgard posted Wed, 06 July 2005 at 8:42 PM
Vanishing Point has a licencing deal with Gunpoint (www.gunpoint-3d.com) to release Poser versions of all their models. Included in the deal are the four freebies, the first three are released already (Patrol boat, Jagdpanther, Dodge WC51), and the M1 Abrams tank is in production. The M1 Abrams is taking a while because we have refined the programming for the tank tracks. The Jagdpanther used 339 lines of programming for the tracks, the M1 Abrams uses 79 lines, and has two revolutions of the tracks, where the Jagdpanther only had one.
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Acadia posted Wed, 06 July 2005 at 9:23 PM
OH, that's gorgeous! Will it work in Poser 5 or is only for Poser 6?
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
UVDan posted Wed, 06 July 2005 at 9:51 PM Forum Moderator
You guys go the extra mile. I cannot wait to see the M1.
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Helgard posted Wed, 06 July 2005 at 10:24 PM
I have tested the model in Poser 4, Propack, Poser 5, Poser 6 and Vue 4, Vue 5 and Vue Infinite. It should also work in DAZ|Studio and Bryce, but I don't use them so I haven't tested it in that.
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Acadia posted Thu, 07 July 2005 at 12:28 AM
Thank you :)
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
AntoniaTiger posted Thu, 07 July 2005 at 1:13 AM
It looks very much to be in the style of some of the cold-war Soviet designs. The radar, gun turrets, and weapons fit in general are common to several classes of patrol boat, some of them still in service. Primarily anti-submarine; that "missile launcher" fires a salvo of rockets to deliver a pattern of depth charges from a distance. Sorry I can't be more specific; it may not be any particular class.
Helgard posted Thu, 07 July 2005 at 1:25 AM
Yes, you are correct. If you go to the Gunpoint site under the watercraft section you will see specific models like Mukha class, PAUK klass, Slava class, etc., with their model and year numbers, like - Project 1145.1, Sokol USSR.1986. Those models cost loads of money and are accurate enough to be used in films, documentaries, etc, which is what they were built for. This model is free, and was meant for a more generic "fun" type of render, so this is a composite of all the features found on most modern patrol boats. Personally I am using this boat in a science fiction short about the Republic of Australia and the Union of the English Socialist Republics.
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Helgard posted Thu, 07 July 2005 at 1:30 AM
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AntoniaTiger posted Thu, 07 July 2005 at 1:35 AM
Thanks. I just had this uneasy feeling that somebody might use it for a really obviously wrong navy. rendering for people who would notice.
Helgard posted Thu, 07 July 2005 at 1:47 AM
Extract from the promo page for the freebie on CP - "A generic modern military patrol boat... Please note that this model is not based on a single real world ship, but a composite of the various types in use today." So we make sure that people know what it is they are downloading. For models that are historically accurate and can be used for proffesional renders, training videos, historical animations or movies, we include all the information like year made, and sometimes even a load of background information on the model, as you will see if you read the promo for this model: http://www.contentparadise.com/user/product.php?productid=11954&cat=1325&page=1 We have done some work for military museums, so we know how accurate a model has to be before "people who would notice" actually do notice.
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Helgard posted Thu, 07 July 2005 at 1:58 AM
Attached Link: http://www.fightingiron.com/FI-Hopkintontrack.htm
When we do historical models we go all the way. I am currently rigging the US M3A1 Half Track APC. To be historically accurate we actually contacted the guy at the link, who owns two of them, and asked for specific photographs of the interior plates (from which we made the textures) and asked how certain parts bend, how far they move, etc, so that the model would animate correctly. The model has over 200 moving parts, and I think if rendered correctly will be indistinguishable from the real thing by the time I am finished with it. Tommorrow I will put up two pictures, one of the real thing, and one of the WIP of the model, and you can tell me how close you think we are getting.
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Richard T posted Thu, 07 July 2005 at 3:31 AM
Thanks very much. It looks great.
William posted Thu, 07 July 2005 at 3:36 AM
This is excellent. It's great to see modern navy ships becoming available for Poser. Thank you. Off now to create my own Australian Republic Navy(shades of Seaquest)
aeilkema posted Thu, 07 July 2005 at 8:05 AM
It sure is worth paying content paradise a visit each week. There free stuff is just awesome, much better then the free stuff at DAZ. Thanks Helgard, for releasing this as a freebie!
Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!
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Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(
Food for thought.....
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XENOPHONZ posted Thu, 07 July 2005 at 11:05 AM
Thanks!
And hey -- for any fantasy or non-technical renders, this model will be just perfect. I've got a feeling that purely "correct" models of this sort for technical training purposes represents a comparatively small niche market.
It's very generous of you to offer this as a freebie.
xantor posted Thu, 07 July 2005 at 11:13 AM
Thank you.
thefixer posted Thu, 07 July 2005 at 12:10 PM
Woa! way cool boat, thanx muchly!!! thefixer, poser coord.
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Qualien posted Thu, 07 July 2005 at 12:16 PM
Thanks for the model! "...fiction short about the Republic of Australia and the Union of the English Socialist Republics." That sounds like fun. Good luck with it.
ynsaen posted Thu, 07 July 2005 at 1:07 PM
The moment I saw this I thought to myself: "where's Indy?" everyone looks around. Suddenly, the captain points "There!"
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ziggie posted Thu, 07 July 2005 at 2:54 PM
Perfect for sea-going mice... http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=2329704&Reply=2330546#24
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Helgard posted Thu, 07 July 2005 at 7:22 PM
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ChuckEvans posted Thu, 07 July 2005 at 8:59 PM
Awesome replication work!
AntoniaTiger posted Fri, 08 July 2005 at 1:33 AM
The picture is of a British Army can, still very close to the original design.
The X pressed into the side is one of several variations depending on manufacturer. The German pattern has a plain X. Some wartime US production used an oval ring in a similar way to the square on this.
I have a rather crude model which is good enough for scene backgrounds.
Helgard posted Fri, 08 July 2005 at 2:06 AM
Antonia, the original jerrycan that came with this model in 3D Max format had 3600 polygons per jerry can. That is 7200 polygons in total. I had to remodel them to drop the polygon count, and the versions here have 224 polygons each. If I had not done things like this, the model would have had far too many polygons for the average Poser user to even open it, never mind put two Mike 3 characters, with uniforms and guns and extra props in the scene. Sometimes, due to the limitations of the program, we have to sacrifice something just for the sake of useability. I actually went to the military surplus stores and photographed jerrycans, and next week I am going to the Imperial War Museum in London to research my next model, so I do try to be as accurate as I can. I have made the jerrycans seperate groups (so that you can make them invisible), and will be releasing the high polygon jerrycans as a freebie for those users who have machines that can handle loads and loads of detail like that.
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Helgard posted Fri, 08 July 2005 at 2:09 AM
(PS The discussion you had around a year ago was with me)
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UVDan posted Fri, 08 July 2005 at 2:48 AM Forum Moderator
The Imperial War Museum. I am sooooooo jealous. The best I might hope for is to sneak into Davis Monthan's Boneyard through the google satellite imaging. 8^)
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Gareee posted Fri, 08 July 2005 at 7:00 AM
Helgard, is this going to have working tracks? I really need to figure out how to do that for a freebie character I've had sitting on my HD for almost a year now.
Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.
Jim Burton posted Fri, 08 July 2005 at 10:01 AM
AntoniaTiger-
I was going to reply with the same thought, the three handle model was what I remember from my days in the army, ours didn't have as pronounced a seam though, nor the X depression, and it had a larger screwed-off cap with a chain retainer. The name "jerry can", incidently, indicates where the pattern came from, the Brits started WWII with some kind of an awful, flimsey gas can, in the desert campaigns they became aware of the far superior German type which they copied.
Amazing that we are even having this discussion, too. Many of Poser military models I've seen are so far off the mark that they shouldn't even be called by the prototype's name, my hat is off to the creators of this half track, and I'd only hope they would offer the every-popular quad fifty mounting for it as an extra! Talk about firepower!
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AntoniaTiger posted Fri, 08 July 2005 at 11:21 AM
There's a fair bit of info about the history on the web, even a suggestion that the real original design was Italian. I wouldn't dismiss that out of hand. Anyway, it was so good that the US defence industry tried to improve it, and apparently couldn't. Or, at least, it was a "we want them now" situation. I think the main military divergence was the plastic can for water, which did have a screw cap. It wouldn't astonish me if there were a screw-cap fuel can as well, but I've never seen one. I think I've said it before, but the jerrycan is such a ubiquitous item that's it's worth getting right. And "right" isn't down to having a lot of polygons.
Jim Burton posted Fri, 08 July 2005 at 12:01 PM
Ours had a screw on cap, I remember like it was yesterday, even though it was 35 years ago. ;-) The nozzle that came with them was press-in though, with sort of a rubber gasket that expanded into the screw threads when you pulled a lever. Could very well have been an Italian design though, the Africa corp took over the good Italian stuff.
Jim Burton posted Fri, 08 July 2005 at 4:07 PM
Attached Link: http://www.olive-drab.com/od_mvg_jerry_can_metal_gas.php
Amazing what you can find on the web... Apparently the screw off cap (that I remember) was standard on American-made Jerry cans, and should be the one on the half-track. And aparently the cans that the Jerry can replaced the British service were actully called "flimsies". ;-)Helgard posted Sun, 10 July 2005 at 8:13 PM
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AntoniaTiger posted Sun, 10 July 2005 at 10:05 PM
Somebody must have been doing something creative with the bookkeeping to get that M16 designation from the Ordnance Board...
Jim Burton posted Sun, 10 July 2005 at 11:28 PM
Attached Link: http://www.bmgparts.com/quad.html
Well, I think your partly right. ;-) "The quad mount brownings were exclusively used by the navy." Well, I distinctly remember driving past one mounted on a 2 1/2 ton truck during my tour in Vietnam, and no ships in sight. ;-) I've heard the Navy quad fifties, just like the single 40 mm, was ex-army equipment. I think the true story was that the Halftrack towed the Quad Fifty, Mount M-45, per the link. I was sorta wondering how would it shoot over the sides of the half track, anyway. H'mmm lets see what else I can turn up: The 57 mm Gun Motor Carriage T48, the antitank gun (with shield) mounted similar to the howitzer you show. (This was a non-standardized issue of several hundred that went to the Brits). T12- M1897A4 (ex French) 75mm gun on M3 Half Track (this is actually what you show in your picture. The 105s were still around in my day, and I knew that wasn't one in your pic!) T19- The real M2A1 105 Howitzer on a M3 Halftrack, firing over the cab, also not standardized, but 324 were built.Helgard posted Sun, 10 July 2005 at 11:35 PM
Attached Link: http://www.skylighters.org/quad50/
Did more research. I was searching for M3. It seems the quad mount version had a different number, as Antonia Tiger said, M16. See the link for loads of pictures. Strange thing is that I looked at the manifests for the White motor company that made the M3A1 half track, and they showed none of this, but the internet claims that they were built by the White motor company, yet they show no record of them.
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Helgard posted Sun, 10 July 2005 at 11:37 PM
Also found links to the mortar carraige version. Also a different number.
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Jim Burton posted Sun, 10 July 2005 at 11:43 PM
Attached Link: http://www.madoc.us/startingbackup.shtml
And you had me convinced, too! Here is a link to a model of one, which shows some nice details: