Okay I lost the list of members who emailed me that I had lined up If one back out, and unfortunately the member that was suppose to purchase P4 from me did back out. P.S. this time post to this message ONLY. I am selling P4 for $100 + S&H the quickest way you wish for it to be shipped. ONLY in the U.S. will I sell. I am also selling Carrara for $160, all books and Boxes included with the progs. Who am I you ask, I am Serge The Max Forum moderator. So that should make you feel a bit at ease. P.S. again only reply to this post that way If the person with a post before you backs out, you will be up next. I apologize to the members that I lost their handle/user name THESE ARE NOT COPIES, I have one full authorized version of each prog at the prices listed above. LOL and Peace Serge