There is a new update for Vue infinite at e-on site 277944. I am going to install as my Infinite is so messed up it will either help or make things worst.

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New update has unlocked our export for most things. Now I can export all trees that came with Vue in the plant collection. I have 3 plants that were given to me by vue because of a problem I had with Vue Pro. I have never bought any of the plants on e-ons site. That said these are the ones you have to have a code to install. These 3 are locked with the encryption code and can not be exported. That said if thats how its going to be with things from the new store then I will buy else where. Why not lock the ones in plant collection that comes with Vue but lock the ones that have to be bought. It seems to me one way or the other all have bought, either by buying Vue or by buying plants one at a time from the few that are available. Just don't understand the reasoning behind this at all. At lest I am glad my xfrog and rdna plants are now unlocked. Haven't tested any of the other stuff so will have to play awile to see how new update is going to be.

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Are the cornucopia3d objects locked for export also? With the new update? I even can't install my purchased object, so I ask is the update worth to install... Mazak

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I have not used my voucher to get any of the cornucopi3d objects so don't have the answer for that.
It has unlocked my plant objects that are xfrog and rdna so can export those.
I have just saved a mat file so that seems to be ok now.
Stay tuned as I am sure someone can answer your question as I am curious also. If the store items are to be locked then I want be using the store. To many other places to buy nice models to use unless we are locked again from using them.
I know some of the vue people are tired of hearing me and others grip or complain but if we don't then we not getting what we paided for when buying Vue Infinite.
I would much rather be making nice images in vue instead of trying to protect what I think is fair for consumers. :o)

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I would assume they would have to fix their things at the store as well. Each item needs to be repackaged.. course that's my thought on it. None of my purchases work yet. Even with this new update.

The same lighthouse & various other things are still locked. It's willy nilly, pick n choose. DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What light house and where did you get it. It's possible I may have it and can try.

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It's one I bought here.....I should add Some Poser items won't export either >:(

It's one I bought here.....I should add Some Poser items won't export either >:( It's in 3ds format. Xfrog trees appear to be ok. Will post image of Poser item being rejected.

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Here ya go, RNDA plant

a plant I made in that free plant making program

Bummer.
I am going to reinstall Vue Pro on my computer and use it to compare what works and don't work in Vue Infinite.
I feel sorry for the ones like Dale and John and others who have to listen to this stuff but how are they to know if we don't show them what is happening.

I just found out I can not export RDNA files that are saved as vob's. I give up untill another update is ready. Hope its not long.

I have all of Alan Garcia's free models that he once had for download and can not export any of them. :o(

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In addition, after loading the update & rendering those 2 pics, I had to reboot each time...computer came to grinding halt >:(...Major memory leaks it appears.

I have not had any problems with any of the products I purchased with my voucher from the cornucopi3d store. I have only updated to the one before this version....so I could use these items. I feel bad, cause the only problem I am having is the terrain editor filter, but actually found away around it. So strange....why is everyone else having problems? Sharen

Sharen can you load an xfrog plant, rdna or One lisa's plants from Daz that was imported from poser as a pz3 and saved as a vob. Same goes with any of the old A Garcia models that are saved as vob's. See if you can export any of these. I think there may have been 2 more updates after the one that would let you use what you bought from the store. That is where some of the problems are in latest updates. What version update are you using.

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As, Iloco, stated this has NOTHING to do with store items at all. This has to with items we have purchased in 3ds/lwo/obj format & PZ3's we have brought into Vue & saved as a native view item .vob. For example, I bought one of the Dystopia set in lwo(lightwave) format, saved as a .vob & now it's locked from export back out Vue.

I'm running version 859. I can still export Vue plants (that came with the product and those created by Dreampaint) in .3ds format. I can still export RDNA stuff. I cannot export Xfrog stuff, but never tried before either. I imported them into Vue from 3DS format. Didn't download anything from the store, so no info there. Sorry

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Folks, this is a beta update, and wasn't one that was supposed to be released publicly either. I don't pretend to know how it's wound up on the public update page, though it is clearly marked as a beta, but my advice is don't download it.

Did a couple tests.

Imported a PZ3 saved & tried to export, all went fine.

Imported another, one that I had converted back in Vue4 & it's a no go. Tried about 10 of these.

So it appears any item(with very few exceptions) won't export O.O.

WTF????? SInce Vue4 did not allow for exports did the !@#$ auto-lock everything?? >:( GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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I don't understand why Vue would ever have let you export the contents of a PZ3, it shouldn't have, and my V5i never has.

Wow. You guys have already beta tested this latest version and I only just got out of bed. Excellent :)

No offense Jwhitham...but please read the WHOLE thread. It's not just PZ3's that have been converted over .vob...it's many other formats. Anyway, I think I discovered the issue as mentioned above...reporting this to tech support.

As you can see it does allow for export. I just did this. Now 99% that came thru from Vue4 is locked...as you can see in previous pics. I just discovered the Vue4-non-export connection. I'm getting tired of having to prove myself ~sigh~ Oh for reference purposes, this is Lyne's Amazon parrot from Vistainternet Products.

Message edited on: 08/06/2005 19:11

Don;t blame us If it wasn't suppose to be released for us to download. The blame should go to whom ever put it up for all to download. Not blaming you John but I think a lot of us are getting tired of being the ones who everyone that works for e-on trys to put the blame on. This is getting plumb riducles and all because of the new store and encryption. I for one would rather it stayed as it was. Yes I am getting upset with all the blame games when its not our fault. :o( All whos working for e-on should be glad you got a group of beta testers who find what it seems others are not finding.

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Iloco I wasn't blaming you for anything, I was pointing out to anyone, like Sharen, who might have got the idea from this thread that's it's an officially recommended update, when it's actually a beta.

Quote: "I don't understand why Vue would ever have let you export the contents of a PZ3, it shouldn't have, and my V5i never has." Post #20 - no mention in your 1 response of quote "I was pointing out to anyone, like Sharen, who might have got the idea from this thread that's it's an officially recommended update, when it's actually a beta. " No mention of this in in Post 20.... Post#30 - showing where yes this can be done. As of just about an hour ago. Anything YOU yourself saves as a .vob should be exportable...period, end of story. Let me re-iterate. Items you have BOUGHT or items you have downloaded/paid for in 3ds/lwo/obj format and converted to .vob. Now then, I'm not attacking you, but please lets keep it straight if at all posible. Cripes...can't we ALL just admit there is an issue & be done with it. No one is lying, no is deliberatley trying to disperage E-ON.....I mean we all paid upwards of $600.00(not including updates). We aren't here just flapping are gums for the hell of it. I've got better things to do, then render & try to prove what we are talking about. Sorry, but I'm tired & frustrated. But at least I think I found the culprit. Can't we all go back to being nice :) It's Saturday night & we are supposed to be in a good mood....instead, myself & others wasting our time debating on what is true & not true.

I know john but when you said it wasn't suppose to been put out for us then I wonder who is to blame for that. If sharen had downloaded would we have been to blame for reporting it was on e-ons site for download. I think we all on edge and I know its not you blaming anyone. Typing is not like talking eye to eye and I understand. Vue want let you export a pz3 file. Its only after its been converted to a vob that we export it. I think thats what dlk ment and you misunderstood her. :)

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Thank you Iloco...exactly....... On the edge is a stretch :(.

In the thread named "Encryption of files is bad for everyone, creed2003 shows that we could export 3CD objects that he shows in an image that he exported as a 3ds. Now somthing has happened after this or the encryption hadn't been put in at that point. This thread is a few down from this one if anyone wants to look.

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SERENITY NOW!!!!!!!!!!! From Seinfeld :)

Has someone here checked if VOB's created by a previous build version are recognized by a later build without locking their exporting?

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Im only going to say one thing. As a purchaser of Vue 4, 5, and Infinite, and as a commercial designer, I have produced several models for myself in light wave and 3DS formats. I imported these to Vue and saved many in .vob format. This was done simply for my convenience.

These are my creations, not E-on softwares. They are not sold, given away, traded, pirated, or otherwise.

Simply put E-on, you have taken the liberty to encrypt my work. I did not give you permission to do this. You have stalled several commercial pieces in process or delivery, and set several design projects behind schedule.

Yes, I have the models in my other formats other than as a vob file. Some will import, others will not.

I have sold over 50 business clients your software by referring them to your site back when Vue 3 was first released.

I suggest you forgot the store idea, and restore your software to its prior operating capability as soon as possible. I am sure you realize the damage this is doing to your otherwise excellent reputation and your relationships with long term customers. . Encryption may be a good idea. Applying it to others works in even a different format is not acceptable. Your non-beta release of 277929 does not fix this problem on all prior objects, even those in a non-vob state. Now you mistakenly released 277944 which most forums state DO NOT DOWNLOAD.

Isnt it time for the management of Vue Software to issue its uses a formal apology and their plans for correcting these issues? No offense to the artist representatives who may or not be on Vue Software payroll, but your replies and defense of E-on should not be necessary. This should be addressed by E-on Software management on the E-on site with an apology to all its customers.

It seems that objects that I've had around for a long time (Vue4) can't be exported. For example, 3dplants, Alain Gracia's, some of Rodluc's stuff, Xfrog, can't be exported. All of my new RDNA and Taschen stuff works fine.

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Errr.... the program patches (builds) from e-on's web site, for Vue 5 Infinite have always been marked "Beta".

As far as i know, there are no non-beta updates (at least until the next full version).

If you do not download those you will not benefit from the bug fixes and your version will remain as it was installed from the box.

I have installed every one of them (except the newest one reported in this thread) and gotten a lot of improvements and bug fixes, including a fix for a problem i reported myself.

Message edited on: 08/06/2005 21:05

I just want the stuff I HAVE bought/created myself to be unlocked - period. Not much more to say. As, I've stated, it appears though OUR testing this applies to .vobs we have created in prior versions of Vue(4/4Pro/5 and some in V5I). That said with the latest update of V%I anything that is created NOW, as in after the lastest update is good to export(about a few hours ago). Just not anything created prior. Ditto lingrif :)...that's the point :)

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Just read a post on e-on V5i forum "New updates in Updates for Vue Infinite" that says the latest patch is not suppossed to be available to the public. This post does not include a response from e-on staff, so who knows. Anyway, i personally am not installing any more V5i patches until this whole Corucopia business is straightened out.

It was in this thread that john said it wasn't suppose to be released. That is where the word came from. Here is his quote from one the above threads. "Folks, this is a beta update, and wasn't one that was supposed to be released publicly either. I don't pretend to know how it's wound up on the public update page, though it is clearly marked as a beta, but my advice is don't download it."

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Yes, i saw that post and i responded that "..they are all betas." If it was "not supposeed to be released" BECAUSE it's a beta then that makes no sense. There are no non-beta Vue 5i patch builds and never have been, AFAIK. So my question is: "Why was it not supposed to be released, and how does he know that it was not supposed to be released?" Hope that clears things up. I'm feeling pretty silly here quoting rumors from one forum to another and quoting my own quotes. I'm goin to shut up and wait for the fixes now. :o)

The plan worked out when 292 proved a bit of a brat was for the next update, due Monday, to be privately fielded to the C3d admins and moderators to test. I have no idea why it was put public, but =none= of us knew about it until we read about it here. It is untested by us. I'm going to bed now, before I get too annoyed with circumstances..... :/

You think that the locked Vue files are a problem. I’m trying to do animation. The render farm was unstable with 255 but it work half the time. Now on any real work it just craps out giving me a little window saying OK. I have stop doing any more work because I need the render farm to work. I can’t be rendering on only one machine and waiting 20 hours or more for 6 seconds of animation. I’m thinking about switching to Eovia’s Carrara 4. It will do terrains and Poser imports. Dale

I haven't read through all of this here. So maybe it was said before already. One word to Debbie. It was alwayxs impossible to export most of Poser stuff. Full stop. Same with Alains Gracias free models too. It was a feature that came with the introduction of exports that artists were able not to allow that. My guess - my guess - is that this is a contractional thing between companies/merchants and e-on. That DAZ/Poser stuff is allowed for import only when export can be controlled. Again, my guess. I really wonder why you haven't realised that before Debbie. There was no version with the export feature that allowed what you are now asking for.

One day your ship comes in - but you're at the airport.

Just to be kept updated.

I have update 277859, yes I import a pz3, from Propack, it exports, I tried, my models, a few of RDNA and a tree from Lisa B. All worked fine. Sharen

Sharen this is what is so confusing one person says there can be no exports and you just say you can. Been so many updates I am getting confused. Can anyone tell me if 277659 is before the encryption or is it the one that has the encryption so people could use the encrypted stuff from 3CD
Doesn't make sense to me at all.
Same with putting an upgrade out that hadn't been tested. :(

Message edited on: 08/07/2005 05:15

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My other machine is still running Vue4Pro. I just tried to export a RodLuc model, an Alain Gracia model and an Xfrog tree. All of them were locked for export. I should add that the Xfrog trees that were locked were the ones I purchased separately. The models that came with Xfrog exported fine. Obviously, with some models, it's been that way all along.

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Thanks Lin, exactly what i said and nobody wants to hear.

Part of the export thing always was the option to control that by the owner of the model.

I agree that there was an issue with the last update (before this one that i have not tested yet) as well regarding the export.

Your tests explains as well why some people seem to can export items and others can't. I for example know which of my items can be exported and tested those in my earlier report. And of course didn't tried with items that i knew before it is not intended to work.

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One day your ship comes in - but you're at the airport.

But these models are not locked to one computer as I understand that is how the Store intends them to be.

I have all of A Garcias models on a cd that I can use on any computer I have Vue installed on.
With e-ons encryption they are locking each model to the one computer Vue is installed on.
Am I correct that is how it works.

Lin can you check the other models that want export and see if you can use them on another machine. If you don't have one thats ok because I have tryed and they work. Was just wanting to confirm that its not only me.
That brings me to ask why is a model locked for export when it can be used on any computer with Vue installed. Was it ment for Vue users only to use it and not others who want to export.
To many things have me confused and only way to find out is to ask questions.

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Not sure of your question, but the models I have reside on both my machines and can be used by both Vue5I and Vue4Pro. Now, if I understand the way the store models are set up, you can only use them on one machine, which wouldn't be cool if you had two licensed copies of Vue5I. You'd have to buy two copies. Another question I have. I have a licensed copy on Vue5I on one machine and a licensed copy of Vue5E on the other. I don't think I should have to buy a copy of a model for each version of Vue5. Especially since I only got credit for one voucher. Both copies were upgrades (one from Vue4Esprit and one from Vue4Pro).

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Wabe, seems that some cannot export models they created themselves, which can't be right. I'm trying to export one of my Xfrog models right now. This model was exported in Xfrog from native .xfr to .lwo, then in Vue, I saved it as .vob, now I'm trying to export it in .3ds, looks like it's working, only incredibly slowly. Will make other tests later.

You understand my question Lin. Its as we are crimanals and going to give the copys to everyone who don't buy them from the store once we have them. Vue Infinite can be downloaded from peer to peer servers that will work on any computer. Updates are there as soon as they are released that will work. I agree some will abuse the right of others but its the honest who are having to suffer because of this. I chose to buy instead of using pirated software to suppost a program I really like. Seems this is going to change if it continues on its present path. Daz, Rdna and other 3rd party sites trust us more than e-on. This really agravates me for a company to do this.

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Seems I'm having other problem, won't export, but for diffrent reason: takes ages to export, and looks like the operation won't finish, I had to abort it. Oh well, another annoyance! To add to the thread, one of the features advertised for Infinite was " export entire scenes ", so they are definitely not respecting their contract if you can't export content you buy from c3d. Plus, I own Infinte and Pro Studio, and should be able to use my purchases in both apps.

I think we have a lot of misunderstandings here. Iloco talks about export but in the last two comments he only spoke about bringing a vob from one machine to another. That is not export that i mean. Again, non of Alain Gracias models could be exported to another format in the past. As a lot others where the creators of those models have blocked this. Again, most Poser stuff for example. To Bruno, what you are facing is a bug indeed in the last update. I understood that this is the major reason for the new one that came out today. I haven't tested it yet so i don't know really how this works now. To Lin. You can download any item you have bought from Cornucopia 5 times. And you of course can change the destination - Vue 5 Esprit or Infinite while downloading it a second time. So you don't have to purchase it again. That is how I understood it and have done it already because i bought some of my items for Esprit but wanted them for Infinite. Contact an admin or a mod over there if there is a problem with that.

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Wabe, not tyring to be pest. I'm not worried about the stuff that was ORIGINALLY a .vob. As Xiores has stated it is stuff either I created or stuff I have bought in other file formats & saved as .vob. OK????

Guess we don't understand one another wabe as I can not export some things I could a few updates back. I am not going to the trouble of trying to explain as you will come back with something to the effects I am wrong. Why is the store only catering to Vue I and Vue Espirit and not users of Vue 4, Vue Pro and so on. Don't e-on know ther are lots of users who have not bought later version of vue. I am sure some can not afford the price and some don't use it enough to justifiy the upgrades. I get the feeling that e-on is not listening to the consumers at all and will not change from their original plan to keep consumers who buy shackled like a criminal. Not speaking for anyone but myself so hope it don't upset anyone when I say it.

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Don't forget, Cornucopia is one week old. The idea is to get other brokers in that of course can offer stuff for Vue 4 and all other versions. Even non Vue content is welcome. So we all as the Vue community are asked to make this place alive and interesting. Regarding the export ptoblems Iloco. I think we all agree that there are problems with the latest two updates before this one. As Lingrif has shown, there were always cases where export is forbidden. Always was forbidden to repeat it because nobody seems to read that. I repeat as well, maybe it is a contractional thing that companies don't want their stuff be exported from Vue. Poser stuff is something like that. But i will try it again, i still have 4 Pro installed on my machine and a pre cornucopia version of Infinite on another. We will see if export on these machines is allowed for everything - as you tell me it was. If you like to, send me a file to test that.

One day your ship comes in - but you're at the airport.

Attached Link: http://www.e-onsoftware.com/Products/vue5infinite/?Page=13

I don't need to send a file as I know what works and what doesn't. I can save my poser pz3 and import them into Vue and save as vob and then able to export as other file extensions. Or lets say I could untill the updates screwed it all up. You say Poser stuff is like that, what stuff are you refering to. I would like to try it if I have it in my collection of poser stuff.

Yes it is confirmed we all agree there is major problems with export features in Vue. That is a known fact. :o(

wabe if its contracttional why can we export the plant collection that comes with the install of Vue Infinite
Also can export other collections that came with Vue Infinite.
All this started when the store opened and the encryption was forced on us in the updates.

Here is a small quote from the Vue Infinite Import/Export page that I have added link to.

Quote: "Full Object and Scene Export
Vue 5 Infinite lets you export content to other 3D applications in a wide variety of industry standard file formats such as Discreet 3DS, Wavefront OBJ, LightWave LWO, Cinema 4D C4D, AutoCAD DXF...

Easily export rocks, terrains, plants or even entire scenes! Complex geometries are automatically unwrapped with minimum distortion and exported complete with all UV mapping and texturing information. You can adjust the level of detail of exported geometries and texture maps.

Skies can be exported as skydomes or skycubes. Exported skies can include illumination data in HDR image format!

Basic object animation information (motion, scale and orientation) can be exported as 3DS or LightWave MOT/LWS.

And for even more flexibility, you can write custom import and export filters using Python scripting!"

Now is what I read contradictry to what is happening now.
Its like changing horses in the middle of the stream.

Message edited on: 08/07/2005 10:04 I do see where some objects can be blocked by 3rd party venders. Also read that ecosystems can not be exported. So is all the store objects going to be blocked. This might go along ways with things cooling down a bit. but I hope they do get what can be exported fixed so we back like its suppose to be. If we know all objects are to be block and encrypted from the store than I will know where to spend my money for objects I want to use in Vue.

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lingrif,

the way the store was jigged before it was closed, and still is indeed, you can download a copy for each serial you have registered. So certainly, no you don't have to purchase a copy for each of your machines. I don't know what would happen if you had more than 5 registered copies of Vue, but I guess if you had that many copies something would be sorted for you.

"wabe if its contracttional why can we export the plant collection that comes with the install of Vue Infinite Also can export other collections that came with Vue Infinite." Maybe because here e-on owns the rights? I will do some more research tomorrow because i really would like to have had my hands on the latest update first to see what is going on there.

One day your ship comes in - but you're at the airport.

Attached Link: http://www.rodluc.com/download.htm

Wabe, do this test. Anything you bought & created in some other format & saved as .vob back in Vue4. Then try & export :) For example, Ornlu's grass here(3ds format), Dystopia(3ds or lwo format). I bought both of these back in Vue4 days(I have tons more that fit this bill). I saved all in .vob & none are exportable now. I still belive this a Vue4 carry forward problem. I basically skipped or V4Pro, I bought it but never used it) Only used V5 a tiny bit, due to it's memory issues. So, 99% of my stuff was a carry forward from V4. In addition, regarding Rodlucs stuff, lies another clue to back this theory up. See his link. 1. His stuff is available in many files formats 2. Most of his were created for Vue4...note Vue4 3. Common sense says, since 3ds/lwo/obj can't be locked, why would he choose to specifically lock the .vob foramt. Hope this aides in testing :)

Debbie, maybe you go up a little bit and read Lingrifs test. Then you can see that this is not a new issue and that was all i tried to say. IT IS NOT A NEW ISSUE! And has nothing to do with Cornucopia beside the fact that the artists that are available there right now (I repeat, right now) together with e-on have decided to lock their items. I don't see any new policy from e-on to lock all content, i only see some restricted items that one can buy or not. And of course i see some technical problems with two updates that i and hopefully you too have reported to e-on. Complaining only in forums does not help to solve problems. It only raises emotions.

One day your ship comes in - but you're at the airport.

For cryin out loud, I'm just trying to help :(

Sorry Debbie, that was maybe why i spoke about emotions. See it in small letters especially for you!

One day your ship comes in - but you're at the airport.

This thread is becoming way to cumbersome & is getting more difficult to follow, as to who said what & when. I did report this to tech-support over E-ON.

Slow down wabe you getting upset I can see by your shouting. We are mature adults, No use raising your voice with us. You have answered my question I have asked so I will not be buying from the store if things are locked and encrypted, Never have and never will. I don't like to be treated like I am a pirate when all I got to do is download from peer to peer or newsgroups. No one it seems want to respect the honest who are trying their best to support the new store. Why is it that way. My last post about the store now that you finally gave the answer. I got a $50.00 voucher if I can transfer to anyone they welcome to it. I will stay away from store comments but will follow the threads about the problems with vue and export featues that we are suppose to be able to use that now are all messed up.

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For what it's worth I just tried exporting all my old (V4) vobs as 3DS, I only had 6, and they all worked OK, so I just don't know why others can't.

Debby, Walther and I are only trying to help too. I am at Renderosity time +9 and Walther +10, so you might look at the times on his posts, and consider just how much he is putting himself out to try and help.

Thank you jwhitham, I've known Walther for a long time)Guitta day(god rest her soul) & well aware of his contributions to the forum :), as well as MANY others who have contributed to the knowledge base. That said, yelling is not the way to go :(. And I do beileve, we are ALL allowed to help & try to get this figured out, as well as other problems that crop up. But as far as I'm concerned there are no hard feelings and this episode is over & see no further reason to egg each one on.

This is not a pissing match, but it sure seems to be turning into one. Mine works, mine doesn't, Mine works, mine doesn't, Mine works, mine doesn't is getting no one no where.

I think we can all agree there is a problem, bottom line.

Message edited on: 08/07/2005 12:11

Let me try again to explain my position and why the thing is so confusing. Why some say it works, other it does not work etc etc. We see a Bermuda triangle here where a lot of clear view got lost. Corner one is Cornucopia3D with the encryption thing. This will stay i fear. Corner two is a bug in the last update where e-on tried to fix quickly another bug with Cornucopia3D encryption and went too far so more items were locked from export than before. This will be corrected, is already probably. Corner three are from export locked items. These were there since Vue allowed output (Vue 4 Pro). Nothing has changed there but maybe some did their tests with exactly some of those items.

One day your ship comes in - but you're at the airport.

In case you have not seen it: Today on the e-on Vue 5 i forum we get the official word on this update being released to the public prematurely: ------------------ Quote: (title of post)"Vue Infinite/Professional > New update in Updates for Vue Infinitie" "Hi Debby, Dale and William, unfortunately the patch was released to the public prematurely; the plan was that the admin/mod staff @ Cornucopia3D were going to put it through it's paces on both PC and MAC before releasing it. I'm not sure what happened that it appeared on the e-on update pages, most definitely I think it's a mis-communication somewhere. ChristieK Cornucopia3D Site Administrator/Moderator" ----------------- So at least that bit of the puzzle is now cleared up, and jwhitham was correct in post #18, which i disputed.

jc, I didn't notice you'd disputed what I said, is it too late to shout at you? :)

Well, i took pains to point out that i didn't understand your post because all the patch builds have been betas. Anyway, i always appreciate free entertainment, so it's never "too late", lol...

So the next question is; why no one at e-on close the update site! The update is still there. Not everyone visit forums to get a warning about a patch that look official. :/ Mazak

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I never upgrade vue from the program. I enter in the Web of eon, download each version and And I record them in a CD. In consequence, I can revert to installing a upgradation previous,in this case I have reverted to version "Vue5Inf5.07FullUpd277255" which was the last build that seemed to have the best results.

I haven't installed any updates to my copy of V5I: beta or otherwise. And I'm not going to until this situation is straightned out.

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On another note:

I haven't used my voucher yet, nor have I purchased anything from Cornucopia.

If the purchased content remains encrypted, then it's highly unlikely that I'll ever buy anything from that store.

Other than to use up the $50 voucher. But that'll probably be all of the business that I'll do there.

If I need plants, then I'll just buy them here at Rendo or at RDNA.

Get rid of the encryption scheme: and I might change my mind about doing business with Cornucopia. But until then, there are simply too many excellent non-encrypted models to be had elsewhere.

Encryption proves that one really likes one's models. Because the intent must be to keep the models entirely to oneself.

Or at least: that will be the result on this end.

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FWIW: Eon just pulled 277944 from their site, the latest "offical" update is 277171 (5.07) and is currently the only one available.

XENO; The 'encryption' scheme is not like PGP, or anything of its ilk. Content purchased from e-on has =always= been encrypted. As in whatever you purchased was useless until you received a key from them that was derived from your installation code that you registered at the e-on website with (this is known as key encryption, and has been with us since forever in software time). You can give your Cornucopia executables to someone else if you choose, but they won't -install- except on the version of Vue they were downloaded for. The encryption scheme is nothing more than an automation of the previous installation key scheme (with the added caveat that if someone posts them on usenet or a P2P network, the key added to the .exe at download time can be used to trace who bought it initially. No more intrusive than a content maker creating a pattern in a polygon mesh to allow them to identify their work). -All- they have done is automate the process, so you don't have to wait 1-3 days for an email with your reg code for new content to be useable.

Dale I don't want this to be taken as a flame but only as a friendly question.
Why is none of the plants in the plant collection and same goes for objects that come with the install of vue not encrypted when everyone says its only what we buy from e-on.
Either way the plants and objects are bought either with Vue or as a single plant specie.
Why can they trust us with some plants and objects and not others.
Just curious for an answer.

Want get into the peer to peer stuff but I think you know better about it than what your comment said. Thats enough said about it.

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Well I have now tryed to load some the vue objects that I once could export and now can not export. I can still export the vue plants that are in plants collection. I am wondering if this will be locked for export also. I have a qwuestion about A Garcias models. In Vue 4 I could not find a way to export so why would he have locked the objects knowing that was the case. Seems all this started with Vue 5. I sure wish we could get back to the Vue I thought I had bought to do landscapes with and not be a back door to a store. Why can the store not be linked with a browser for those who want to use the store and let us who only want Vue the software as it was originally intended to be. Is this to much to ask.

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iloco; (a) The realtime key encryption scheme is new tech for e-on; it didn't exist when the content for Vue 4 was fielded. And remember that said content has been part of the install from Vue 4 through to Infinite. It has been paid for many hundreds of time over, as opposed to new content, that has development costs attached. (b) The 'encryption' is not some draconian scheme to keep anyone from exporting a scene; it is nothing more than an automation of the registration code scheme. File exporting is broken due to problems introduced in the 5.08 patches, and there were some server side issues with the new content as well. I can not say it any clearer. While they interacted to break things, these are two entirely separate issues. (c) This has nothing to do with trust, and everything to do with trying to protect their IP rights. (d)"I have a qwuestion about A Garcias models. In Vue 4 I could not find a way to export so why would he have locked the objects knowing that was the case." This you would have to ask Alan about. Those are his models, and so far as I know, -he- was the one who set all the parameters. (e) "I sure wish we could get back to the Vue I thought I had bought to do landscapes with and not be a back door to a store. Why can the store not be linked with a browser for those who want to use the store and let us who only want Vue the software as it was originally intended to be. Is this to much to ask." Er? I think you have confused Vue with Poser, m'friend. There is =NO= interconnection with the Cornucopia store whatsoever; you do -not- have to be online to use content purchased there. What on earth gave you that idea?

Er? I think you have confused Vue with Poser, m'friend. There is =NO= interconnection with the Cornucopia store whatsoever; you do -not- have to be online to use content purchased there. What on earth gave you that idea? Sorry Dale My mind was in another room and wasn' thinking. You are right. At lest with poser we can remove the links to paradise content if we don[t want to use them. I have removed mine and use browser. That said quote: (b) The 'encryption' is not some draconian scheme to keep anyone from exporting a scene; it is nothing more than an automation of the registration code scheme. File exporting is broken due to problems introduced in the 5.08 patches If that be true then I am still having problems with exporting even with the install of the rolled back update today. You say scene and not object. Is that what you ment. To not get confused I am talking about not being able to export objects I once could export. I give up with trying to get my points across and will sit back and let others do it for me. I get the feeling all has done been agreeded on with e-on and its staff and same for store of what will be and we the consumers will never be listened to and are only trouble makers who e-on would like to see go away.

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Dale_B --

Thank you for the lucid explanations. That clears up some misunderstandings.

Based upon the numerous posts that I've been browsing for the last two days, I'd gotten the idea that scene export to other apps wouldn't be allowed with any purchased Cornucopia content. If that were true, then I wouldn't be interested in purchasing such content.

If I am interpeting your statements correctly: once the "broken update" problem gets fixed, then it will be possible to export Vue scenes -- complete with Cornucopia content -- into other applications.

Is this correct? Thanks.

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(d)"I have a qwuestion about A Garcias models. In Vue 4 I could not find a way to export so why would he have locked the objects knowing that was the case." This you would have to ask Alan about. Those are his models, and so far as I know, -he- was the one who set all the parameters. Didn't e-on make this intentionally so? Because there wasn't a way to export models in Vue d'Esprit 4 - and likely no parameters to lock objects from export - when they introduced export in Vue 4 Professional they had to make it impossible to export models made in earlier versions. Has anyone ever really exported one of his own previous vob models? Because I have never been able to. That said, can't they get the suppliers to the cornucopia store to supply their models without restrictions or in different formats? Or at least show a clear warning if a model can't be exported, for example if it was created in Vue4 or earlier. (Maybe they already have, but I haven't really seen the cornucopia store yet, as it has been down for servicing ever since I first saw the opening anouncement!)

A garcia models may be lock for export but unlike what the store models are going to be one can use them on any computer that has vue installed. I have them all on CD and can take with me where ever I go and use them if it be at my daughtes or at a public library if they have vue installed. The store models are going to be tied to the one copy of vue if I understand all this correctly and will not let one export either. I wish e-on would step forward and fully explain some of these questions as I think a lot of them are just hear say and no one really understands. Dales explanation of a lot of things I can understand but wabes way of explaining has a lot to be desired sometimes. Guess its because Dale lives close to me and Wabe doesn't and there is a big difference with how thinks are said and understood within the two countrys.

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XENO; To some extent, yes. We are still getting clarification on this matter ourselves. There is also the caveat that content -creators- can set their content to be non-exportable, irregardless. It is not just e-on; anyone who creates content can set it to be non-exportable. There will be limits, and some outright locking of content; the existance of the DMCA and similar international laws makes that inevitable, unless e-on =wants= to go bankrupt due to infringement lawsuits.... :/

martians; "Didn't e-on make this intentionally so? Because there wasn't a way to export models in Vue d'Esprit 4 - and likely no parameters to lock objects from export - when they introduced export in Vue 4 Professional they had to make it impossible to export models made in earlier versions. Has anyone ever really exported one of his own previous vob models? Because I have never been able to. That said, can't they get the suppliers to the cornucopia store to supply their models without restrictions or in different formats? Or at least show a clear warning if a model can't be exported, for example if it was created in Vue4 or earlier. (Maybe they already have, but I haven't really seen the cornucopia store yet, as it has been down for servicing ever since I first saw the opening anouncement!)" Exactly. What has gotten people confused is that the broken 5.08 update also broke the export function for content you imported yourself. That is a good idea about the warning/info flag on the content; I'll drop that into the list of store-related glitches-cool ideas to consider. It would save some brimstone for other, more needed purposes at the very least.... :P

Explain why other 3rd party vendors like Daz Rdna can allow exports of 3ds and lightwave objects to be used in any application that can import them but e-on can not without facing law suits. Something just don't add up with what you all are telling us.

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iloco; "quote: (b) The 'encryption' is not some draconian scheme to keep anyone from exporting a scene; it is nothing more than an automation of the registration code scheme. File exporting is broken due to problems introduced in the 5.08 patches If that be true then I am still having problems with exporting even with the install of the rolled back update today. You say scene and not object. Is that what you ment. To not get confused I am talking about not being able to export objects I once could export." As far as I know, once things are repaired, you -will- be able to export those items you used to. Don't expect the rollback to fix the problem currently there; I haven't heard of anyone who has succeeded in that, short of a reinstall and updating to 5.07. There was some kind of corruption in the rollback files; it seems to work, but some of the trouble is still there (namely locked exporting). As for wabe.... Well, of course we think differently. I'm Windows. He's Mac. (rimshot). :P

"lol" Glad to know thats what the problem with wabe.
Maybe I need to get a mac and put vue on it. :) NOT btw: You didn't answer my comment in thread 85. I see now we got another update in updates at e-on. Yesterday it was back to build 277171. this morning its build 277859. Why is it that e-on can not post when they put a different update in updates on either this forum or at least in the forums on e-ons site and explain a little to the users what is taking place. They have bad communications with their consumers who stay in the dark most of the time. It would be a big help if they would drop in and give us an idea of what is taking place once in a while.

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Yeah, good to know what my problem is. I will work on it - mostly in fact i do, i make my money with the Mac. I just want to give a some good news - i am on holiday from tomorrow on. Isn't that wonderful? BUT, i already can tell you that in my answer #357 to this thread you will find all the dirty secrets...

One day your ship comes in - but you're at the airport.

Still no one to answer my comment in thread 85. :o) "lol" Glad I done made my money and it wasn't using a pc or a mac. I would went broke if I had tryed. :o) I am sure there are some dirty secrets that I would like to hear about even before thread #357.

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Dale_B -- Thanks again for your answers. Your responses have helped to clear the air a bit. I'll be watching Cornucopia to see what e-on does. If they handle this the right way, then I'll be more than happy to give out kudos where appropriate.

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iloco; Now that I'm home from work..... ;) Why not ask DAZ and the folks at RDNA directly? You might be surprised by the answers you get...

XENO; Well, we're doing our best to see that they get a clearer picture of the general concerns than might otherwise be discernable..... :P

Not sure how to take you answer Dale. That is not what I asked. I wanted an answer from the Vue people Why they not doing like Daz or Rdna and reason to be afraid of being sued. Doesn't the same work for them as Vue is what I am trying to find out. :) Why would I be surprised when I know how their files work on my computer.

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iloco; It's simple. You are making some rather large assumptions as to what a couple of significant content providers allow. You do not 'own' DAZ content; all you have done is purchase a users liscence, nothing more. Same with DNA, Rosity, Rotica, 3DCC, and every other content provider out there. If asked point blank, any or all could say that they do -not- permit file format shifting. For that matter, such a statement could be buried in the EULA. For an -official- Eon word, you would have to talk to an Eon employee; I'm just a forum mod. And the difference is that DAZ and RDNA are -content providers-. E-on is an applications house. There's nothing you can do with content without an application to do something with. If that application makes performing unwanted or illegal actions possible, then the applications maker -can- be held liable for damages. The RIAA and MPAA have been using that 'enabling' attack to go after all and sundry (remember DecCSS and DVD Jon?). Does is make sense? Not particularly. But with the extremely poorly written DMCA and more recent laws and precedents in hand, it is a very real danger. How real would require an attorney familiar with copyright and trademark law.

All I can say is it still doesn't make sence at all to me and all this rambling to throw one off subject just makes it get worst. For me its not worth getting a lawyer to explain. I cna only see DAz and others making money when e-on will be going broke with their way of doing busines and trying to force control on its consumers. No need to post reply trying to explain anymore I get the drift of what you telling me. :(

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