Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL


Subject: To all you programmers and code hackers everywhere

-Timberwolf- opened this issue on Aug 31, 2005 ยท 18 posts


-Timberwolf- posted Wed, 31 August 2005 at 7:02 AM

Attached Link: http://http://www.alias-systems.de/produkte/alias_fbx/

There is a FBX sdk at the alias website.Is it possible for you to create a Poser/FBX exchange Tool of it?

Little_Dragon posted Wed, 31 August 2005 at 9:19 AM

Mete Ciragan is currently working on an FBX plugin for the next release of MilkShape. I find it amusing that we might get Filmbox support for this little $25 modeling app well before Poser does.

Now, if someone would just write a BVH exporter, we might be able to use MilkShape for mocap conversion.



ockham posted Wed, 31 August 2005 at 11:31 AM

I could 'reverse' my BVH importer easily enough if that would help. Tried to get the FBX stuff, but they want registration, and it's all auf Deutsch.

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-Timberwolf- posted Wed, 31 August 2005 at 12:31 PM

"Tried to get the FBX stuff, but they want
registration, and it's all auf Deutsch."------ooops,sorry

Message edited on: 08/31/2005 12:32


ockham posted Wed, 31 August 2005 at 12:40 PM

I went ahead and downloaded it after all. (Sense of duty and all that....) Will see how it fits with Poser. Any general advice about what FBX needs?

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-Timberwolf- posted Wed, 31 August 2005 at 12:41 PM

Attached Link: http://http://www.alias.com/glb/eng/products-services/product_details.jsp?productId=1900004

I hope this helps

LostinSpaceman posted Wed, 31 August 2005 at 1:06 PM

Attached Link: http://www.lostin3d.com/Flash/Josie.html

Hey Ockham, does your BVH importer allow you to choose whther or not to import absolute world coordinates in BVH files that center a figure at it's starting position? I've got an animation where I reapplied the BVH to add frames for a song and the figure jumps back to her starting point when I spliced the same BVH into the animation to add more movement at the end of the first import:

ockham posted Wed, 31 August 2005 at 1:12 PM

No, it doesn't have that choice. Certainly would be good, since that seems to be the main problem with BVH in Poser! I'll see how to make that happen.

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ockham posted Wed, 31 August 2005 at 1:18 PM

That would be the OFFSET line on Hip, wouldn't it? Here's the start of a BVH file to show what I mean: HIERARCHY ROOT Hip { OFFSET 0.00 0.00 0.00 CHANNELS 6 Xposition Yposition Zposition Zrotation Xrotation Yrotation

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LostinSpaceman posted Wed, 31 August 2005 at 1:20 PM

Could I just make a copy of the BVH file then and add the Offset from the end frame to the offset at the beginning of the copy to splice the two animations together?


Little_Dragon posted Wed, 31 August 2005 at 1:42 PM

Mizrael: Easier to just import the animation, then offset the new trans keyframes manually from the animation graph. On the other hand, if the importer could do it for you automatically, that'd save a couple minutes work.



ockham posted Wed, 31 August 2005 at 1:42 PM

Would that be the trick of applying the Hip offset negatively to the BODY?

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Little_Dragon posted Wed, 31 August 2005 at 2:15 PM

No, I'm referring to actually shifting the keyframes' values so the first frame of the second sequence lines up with the last frame of the first sequence. Er ... or words to that effect.



ockham posted Wed, 31 August 2005 at 2:22 PM

Okay, got it.

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shedofjoy posted Wed, 31 August 2005 at 5:48 PM

OK i have to ask but what the hell is FBX??? I know what BVH's are and have used them a few times, are these similar??? If FBX is any good (when i find out what it is) i will be happy if Milkshape uses it, as i use Milkshape... Ohh and is it me or are the links in posts 1 and 6 entered incorrectly? too many "http//"s for my liking

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LostinSpaceman posted Wed, 31 August 2005 at 5:49 PM

Now if there were a script that could be run on a BVH to completely reverse it so that you could make it end up where it started you could tack the two together for a complete circuit! That's what I'd like to see!


wolf359 posted Wed, 31 August 2005 at 6:05 PM

FBX from poser will likely NEVER happen with posers current "bone" system This is because Poser uses axis-dependent weighting for 'Joint Parameters' three axis's for each bone It bases its 'bone' deformations on each axis, averaging them together. even if these averaged weights are fed into a standard weight map Like those used in MAX, MAYA ,Lightwave, Cinema4DXL. Softimage et al properly, these high end apps bones will not take note of them (Real bones seem to ignore these dynamic changes and stick to the initial maps) this is why FBX from poser is a Non Starter. This is why the expensive "CR2 to Bones" plugins from Greenbriar studios will only give you a rigged poser figure in the target apps(Lightwave&Cinema) standing in the default "T" arms out position needing to be properly re-weighted if you plan on bending any joints. MarkDC has a program/plugin that supposedly converts poser figures to rigged characters in MAX and softimageXSI but im sure its highly specialized and not based on the FBX exchange format FBX is the industry standard for cross application integration, hell even wings3D and My new seat of Carrara pro4 has FBX export Trust me, if FBX from poser was possible someone would have done it a LONG time ago.



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Mystic-Nights posted Wed, 31 August 2005 at 6:38 PM

They also offer a free converter for 3DS Max and Lightwave that allows you to convert OBJ,DXF and 3DS files to the FBX file format or vice versa. http://www.alias.com/glb/eng/products-services/product_details.jsp?productId=1900004