Personally I love it. I wish more merchants would make and sell it. They have a far more natural look and flow than their dynamic counterparts do.

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I would also like to see more dynamic clothing, it's far easier to fit a dynamic outfit to a morphed character than try to fiddle with either finding a confomring outfit with those morphs, or putting them in after the fact.

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That looks nice, what outfit is that? bB

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It's free from a different site. You can get the link and instructions on how to find your way around at the link above. It's in Japanese and a little bit tricky, but there are some very nice looking things there :)

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Acadia, I LOVE dynamic cloth too...I as well wish more merchants would sell items in that form...it's true that you get a more natural, realistic look with them...I know it can be a pain learning the cloth room for some, but PhilC's video tutorial helped me conquer it when I just couldn't figure it out...I wish most of the conforming clothes I have were dynamic :D

Say what you mean and mean what you say.

I used the poserfashion tutorial. It was missing a critical piece, but randym helped me get that squared away. I don't use dynamic clothing all of the time, but when I do, I dig out the tutorial and follow the steps I learned and it's quite easy. There is a ton of dials and buttons in the cloth room that are totally foreign to me, but luckily for dynamic clothing you don't need to know them all :)

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I just got P6 in the mail today and I will be trying dynamic cloth and hair. I also want to try to convert conforming clothing to dynamic, but I'm not sure how. If I like it, I may try Phil' program. Has anyone bought it? Is it good? Thanks. bB

There's a tutorial on changing conforming to dynamic at PhilC's site.

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That's a tutorial on converting conforming clothes to dynamic. Wardrobe Wizard is a great progam. I don't know if it works for dynamic clothing though... I've never asked and I've never tried it. If you are new to Poser, you may want to work on learning the basics and figuring out how to get conforming clothing to fit a figure before venturing into dynamic clothes or converting them. Just my opinion though.

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Leigh ... I did retain what you taught me awhile back in another thread :)

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You can download Furisode for Miki/A3/V3 from author's site with english readme file.

Tips from the readme file:
You should fit Tabi and Zori after cloth simulation. Otherwise the simulation will stop before complete.

I applied them before and didn't have a problem.

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Under rated room if you ask me. I wouldn't have made this without it.

Oh, that looks very nice Acadia, haven't tried the furisode yet. I couldn't get the hang of it in Poser 5 but with Poser 6 it's been very easy to set up a cloth sim - and hardly any crashes. After you get used to it you won't want to go back to conforming clothing all loaded with morphs in case you want to bend the knee a bit. And dynamic clothing works with Wardrobe Wizard, here's the RDNA Miracle dress for Jessi converted to Terai Yuki. All you do is select "Convert to Advanced" and then "Regrouped welded prop". This 30 frame sim, however, stopped at 19 and I got an error message that it failed. Well, I made do with frame 15 but I wonder if anyone else has had a sim fail like that and what could have caused it.

I also had sometimes the stop at frame 17 or so but the result of the frames before was ok. May be I played a little bit too much with the fabric settings, I don't know 'cause the mistake wasn't reproduceable. Take it as ist is, may be in Hotfix 5 or 6 it will be fixed ;)

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I should have said, I wouldn't have been able to make this dress without the clothroom. The same with this shirt. I create my base mesh in Shade, then run it through the cloth room and finish it in Wings.

Take a guess what I think of the dynamic room! The hair in this image is conforming hair converted to dynamic room hair, the top is dynamic and so are the pants. the dynamic room is simple the best thing for clothing!

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Very pretty picture Acadia :) I always wanted a kimono. And the Japanese site was fabulous. Can someone point to me a tutorial somewhere how to use this kimono please, pretty please. *Clueless hehee Well it's all your fault starting this 'dynamic' thread I had no idea what it was before. Apart from having tried one of Andora's hairstyle's. Anyway, now my poor little Aiko is ready in a pose and the kimono is just there in it's default postion *giggle's

May be i am an exception because when i use it the used cloth rarely fit correctly.So i hate it and didn't use it so often

Hate'em!! They dont work in Daz Studio. Still your renders look great SilverWyvern

Wow. So it's easier to make dynamic clothing than conforming clothing? PhilC says to change comforming clothing to one sided. Huh? Also I've read there need to be "stress" polygons on the diagonal. How do you so that? Does no one have PhilC's dynamic Clothing Creator? It looks like it uses displacement maps, am I correct in that guess? And lastly, where can I find info on dynamic hair, and converting to dynamic hair. Why would one convert confrming hair (hair props) into dynamic hair, isn't that impossible? Dynamic hair is guide hair, not a mesh, right? Or do you mean "clothifing" hair? One tutoral I looked at said go to frame 15. If the animation stops at 17, perhaps you should switch from 30 frames to 15? bB <-- who doesn't understand why one would animate clothing to make it fit.

Yes, Clothifying a conforming hair object. its not as hard as it sounds, load the hair, put V3 in zero pose, set the hair using associated morphs so that no hair "strands" and touching her body, export as object, re-import as object. load into cloth room, then run a simulation with no collisition objects set, do the whole 30 frames. now the hardest part. click on "constrained group" and move through the frames until you find a nice one where each strand or strip of hair has fallen away from the scalp section, highlight all vertices on the skullcap object and highlight all the vertices at the end of each hair strip. probably made no sense, but thats how you do it! the most successful way to setup a scene for dynamic cloth is to have frame 1 at zero pose, and then frame 15 (I use 20 myself, but any frame around this area will do) in a 30 frame animation will have the final pose you want the character to be in, this then leaves a further 10-15 frames for the cloth to "settle" for complex poses (such as lying down) I use 100 frame animation, and set the final pose at around 30 instead of 20.

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You can find more conforming clothing here, along with a tutorial on how to use it: http://www.poserfashion.net/downloadp5.htm There is a crutial part missing from the tutorial though, so you might want to have a look at this thread where I was getting help with that tutorial. http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=2220912&Reply=2222342#17

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Poserfashion suggests a 60 frame animation with the pose applied at frame 30. That's what I did with the above one. I haven't tried any other way, because this one seems to work very well and I like the end appearance.

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Hate them, they always seem to get me in trouble, never seem to get it right. To much time involved to get them fit. I really do prefer conforming clothes, not perfect, but much easier and less work involved.

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philc's clothing creator uses a transmap more or less to generate the clothes. Think like a paperdoll outfit ... you make the front and back and it cuts out the mesh and welds the edges together..then you drape on the figure for a more human shaped result. I made the above set using clothing creator.

Love'em! Not only are they much easier to use, especially on morphed figures, they're also easier to build. No need to make morphs in them, and no need to rig them and twiddle their joint parameters. But the're not the end-all solution for everything. Conforming is best for (semi-)rigid parts, such as belts and shoes, dynamic is best for loose flowing cloth. I'm working on "hybrids", conforming clothes with dynamic parts. My first tests look very promising.

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I agree with svdl, for tight clothing conforming is probably better, but for loose clothing dynamic rocks. For tight clothing which only attaches to a single figure-group (for some strange reason panties come to mind..), they're probably best done as smart props, unless someone can convince me otherwise. Conforming clothing has the advantage of being (mostly) quick'n'easy, especially if you are using it on the figure it was intended for, with minimal morphs (for those on a tight-schedule...pun semi-intended). However, if you want to fit clothing on a well-morphed figure, or on a figure with an extreme pose (within limits) or on another figure altogether, or any loose/flowing cloth (which conforming can rarely deal with even semi-realistically) then IMHO dynamic is the way to go. Once you learn HOW to use the cloth room (I've been using it for well over a year now, and am still learning..) you'll probably come to love it.. Cheers, Diolma

Dynamic cloyhing is great, and I love svdl's dynamic clothing. They are elegant and beautiful. I'm really curious to see how his "hybrids" experiment go.

I love what they do but I hate trying to get them to work on any figure they're not made for! You never can tell where a butt is poking through double layered items like that Kimono and Furisoto from Poser Club Japan. I've had minimal success getting the Kimono on Jessi but none whatsoever on the Furisoto, which is really really sad because I like it better. I was hoping Miki's would be an easy conversion but noooooo.

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Mizrael, this kimono was incredibly easy to do in the cloth room. I can't believe I just said something in Poser was easy, LOL, but it really was.

If you have MSN or ICQ, I can walk you through what I did; 9 steps from start to finish. I had no poke throughs for Aiko and her kimono.

So many have helped me with so many things, so if I'm able to help someone back, I'd really like to pay it forward :)

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Quote - "hybrids", conforming clothes with dynamic parts. My first tests look very promising.

Ohhhh! That's sounds intriguing. Conforming as it's advantages, but I find it so hard to fit around figures that aren't standing nearly poker straight. I have come to the conclusion that I never will be able to fit clothing to sitting or odd poses unless it's the clothing is painted on in the figures texture. However, with dynamic cloth, I have high hopes. I've had high success with sitting and kneeling and poses where a knee is bent etc unlike with conforming clothing where most of my figures are standing, unless there is a "sit skirt" feature in the item.

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You do know that you can turn body parts invisable to eliminate a lot of poke through. No need to have legs visable when covered in pants or long skirt.

Magnets are very usful to help with areas that can't be turned invisable.

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Turning body parts invisible doesn't solve dynamic poke through. The cloth can not intersect with the body or it throws off the draping and simulations whether the body part is visible or not when the simulation is set to cloide and drape over the body. The Clothing article should have room between itself and the figure before you run the simulations or the calculations either crap out or run way past the frame counts you've set until they run out of memory and again crap out. My problem is in trying to use dynamic clothing made for V3 on Jessi and their default Zero poses aren't the same so getting the clothing settled over Jessi takes a lot of finesse to keep the clothing from touching her body while still being free to drape.

Have you tried the tutorial at PoserFashion.net? Basically, you scale the figure smaller at the first frame, and then let her "grow" into the clothing.

Wardrobe Wizard is another possibility. I would think it would work with dynamic clothing, too.

One thing I like about dynamic clothing is that it's relatively easy to fit it to morphed or different figures. This dress was originally made for V3. I used the method outlined in the PoserFashion.net tutorial to fit it to Voluptuous Vicky, and the DAZ troll.

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That troll looks really cute in that dress! And you can even put dynamic clothing on a dragon (See link).

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Mizrael. Maybe you should have read post 32 and you would not have felt the need to correct me. I'm sure I read this there, "Conforming as it's advantages, but I find it so hard to fit around figures that aren't standing nearly poker straight."

Getting dynamic clothing to fit on a figure that it's not designed for can be quite difficult. But it usually can be done without too much trouble, since you can scale/morph/pose body parts of the figure to any proportions needed, and then let the figure "grow" into the cloth. The problems come with constrained and choreographed groups. If the dynamic cloth is built of one contiguous mesh, a solution is to turn the constrained group into a new dynamic group with high friction and high fold/shear resistance. That's why I try to build dynamic cloth without constrained or choreographed groups. Getting conforming cloth to fit a figure that it is not designed for is far more difficult and time-consuming than fitting dynamic cloth.

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I shoulda said - that is svdl's free evening dress, on all three figures in post #36. :)

Don't like dynamic cloth at all. It's unrealistic without any edging. Real clothing has hems and seams and dynamic cloth does not allow for these. My conforming clothing fits the figures it's intended for, regardless of movement (provided you use the 'Use Limits' option), has realistically designed edging, and these days contains all FBM to match the figure.

Xena - most dynamic cloth doesn't have edgings or seams, you're right about that. But my newest ones do. ramhernan found out how to model them so that they work in the cloth room (thanks Ramon!).

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couldnt you just model said parts onto the mesh, group them in your modelling application, then set said group to either a soft decoration, or a correographed (sp??) group? this is done with the likes of buttons and such all the time, so why not with more comples mesh structures? how about creating a double sided dress for instance, and have the inside mesh of the dress choreographed, and the outside dynamic? therefore giving thick clothing to the dynamic room

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templargfx: modeling seams and edges and assigning them to the soft decorated group is exactly the way it can be done. The main problem was the layout of the mesh in the modeling app. It appears that vertices of the soft decorated edge must coincide with vertices of the dynamic parts. And self-intersecting meshes are a big no-no.

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I believe chorreographed vertices are excluded from self collision calculations, perhaps that would be the way chorreographed is the follow the clotch group and constrained is follow the object its clothifying over right?

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Ok svdl, you've got my attention ;) Can you point me in the right direction to find out how to do it? Pretty please :D Doublesided mesh would be no good, as the poly count would go through the roof. As I understand it, dynamic stuff requires a fairly high count anyway to get a realistic smoothness to folds/wrinkles/etc.

Choreographed vertices follow keyframed animation - they're not included in the cloth dynamics calculations. So if you animate a prop before (or after, doesn't really matter) setting up a cloth simulation, the vertices you assign to the choreographed group will move as directed by the keyframed animation. I've used choreographed vertices for scenes where a character plucks the hem of her dress. I moved/scaled/rotated the complete dress in frame 20 until the two vertices that I designated as choreographed were at the exact location I wanted them. Then I calculated the simulation - the plucked part of the hem neatly moved to the location where I wanted it, the rest follwed neatly. Constrrained groups follow the closest polygon of the objects they're set to collide with.

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CL need to hire you to write there dynamic cloth explainations, because I swear that is not what the manual implies LOL, but of course, the manual is the worst ever written, so its no suprise

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A good tailor (points to me), can sew a dress without having visible hems (invisible hems are the only type I ever put on things I make) and edgings, and believe it or not, there are ways to hid the seams as well :) Dynamic cloth is very realistic in that regard.

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@Xena: I use 3DS Max for my modeling work, I'll use 3DS terminology (don't know how other modeling apps call these things). First I make the dynamic cloth as a single sided mesh - no 8edges or seams. For thick edges, I select the outer edges of the mesh, create a spline out of those edges (linear interpolation), and then loft a rounded rectangle along that spline. The trick is that the pivot point of the rounded rectangle should be on one of the short sides, instead of dead center. I twiddle with the loft parameters to make the edge look good everywhere - and make sure it doesn't intersect with the figure anywhere. Then I collapse it to a mesh, assign a new material to the mesh and attach it to the single sided dynamic cloth mesh. I weld the vertices, so that no open edges are left. Then I select all edge polygons (by material) and detach them to a separate mesh. For seams: I select the polygons that should become seams, detach them as a copy and extrude/bevel them. Export as .obj, rotate and scale using Objaction Scaler (thanks MAZ!) and import into Poser using "Weld Identical Vertices" The seam and edge groups are assigned to soft decorated. Works pretty well, though calculations are naturally slower than with "un-edged" dynamic clothes. As soon as I've made a nice looking set of clothes using this technique I'll upload them to freestuff.

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Things like buttons and buckles are what the "Hard decorated" group is meant for.

Now there is Python access to the Cloth Simulator (in P6), scripts can be used to set up vertex groups (based on material zones), that would be awkward to impossible using only the Group Editor.
Doing the simulation setup with scripts would also make for a smaller distribution package.

Dynamic cloth is a simple piece of cloth with no edging whatsoever. This is not commonly found in the real world in any type of clothing. Knitted sweaters have a finished edge on the body. Skirts have a sewn-in hem (where the material is overlocked, turned once or twice and sewn down with a row of stitching) on the bottom. Things like that. That's realistic cloth. Dynamic cloth in the ral world would look hideous and the edges would fray when you washed it. Am I making any sense? And yeah Acadia, I know how to make hems the same way, but it still looks 'finished'.

Thanks sdvl. That makes sense (well mostly - I'm a Rhino user so I think I could do the same in a different way LOL).

A simpler way to create natural looking edges - not as detailed as a full rounded rectangle, but much faster in both the modeling app and the cloth simulator - is simply extruding the edge segments inwards for about 1-2 millimeters and assigning only the new edge vertices to the soft decorated group. Useful for "narrower" openings that hardly allow for a good look at the inside of the cloth, such as armholes and necklines. Less useful for the hem of a wide skirt or the trimmings of an open jacket.

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beryld Maybe you should have read post 30 where I was talking about Poke through and Dynamic clothing which is WHY, when I came to your post, I thought you were referring to poke through and Dynamic Clothing. I wasn't being snippy with you. Message edited on: 09/02/2005 22:40

Mizrael: you're right, pokethrough can happen with dynamic cloth. But you can turn a body part invisible after the calculations are done. You're also right about not setting a body part invisible before calculating the simulation - that is a surefire way to mess things up indeed.

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OK, misuderstanding both way. Sorry, bad day I guess.

heh, I think my day was much worse. Fell in the shower this morning and hurt my back and cut myself. Then fainted this evening and in the process hurt my foot quite bad. Don't think it's broken, but it sure hurts. I can't even touch my toes to the floor :(

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Yeah, I was reading with the missunderstanding that you were suggesting a solution to the problem I had mentioned. That's the problem with forum software that doesn't have a built in quote feature. If people don't manually quote you you're never sure if they're replying to your post or somebody elses. In anycase, no harm no foul. Warm Fuzzies to you and yours and you too Acadia....oh heck. Warm Fuzzies to everyone who needs em' today. I've got plenty to share..er... um.. or is that just gas. I never know these days. o.O

I'll take a Tylenol 3 over that warm fuzzy, LOL

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Wow, this is a great thread! Thanks so much for the info. I can't wait to try the dynamic cloth now. I downloaded poserfashion's, PoserWorld's, Poserclub, and svdl 's dynamic clothes. I also have PhilC's Martial Arts outfit that came in both conforming and dynamic formats. :D Two areas I'm interested in, Ancient Egypt and Feudal Japan are lacking in good clothing. There are things out there, but draping clothing doesn't look very good as conforming. I bought DAZ's Ancient Egyptian for $45 back in the days and I STILL can't make that skirt pose on M2! I even tried to Wardrobe Wizard it, but it converted to pose just as badly as it did on M2. :( I love the Loose Pants and Top, Lyrra! Those pants are almost EXACTLY what I've been looking for! I been wanting the riding style of Hakama pants for so long. I took a look at the Obj. It looks almost like what fabric would look like after cutting it with a sewing pattern. Interesting. I have patterns for Hakama and Kimonos. I wonder if you can use those same shapes with Clothing Creator. Interesting.... :D Can we see pictures of hybrid conforming/dynamic clothing and also Dynamic Clothing with seams or mesh details modeled in? Thanks! :D bB

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You know, they say bad things come in three's. Maybe between us all we've used up that quota. I just got back from being check out from hospital. Twisted neck out. They were more worried about me maybe having another stroke, lost the feeling in one arm for awhile. I seem to be OK, just a sore neck. Bad day all around. That dress of mine in post 13 had the hems modeled before I ran it through the cloth room. I did have to fix them here and there after, but for the most part they worked pretty well. My shirt I made the hems/piping after the cloth room. Then turned it into a double sided conforming figure for Jessie.

Acadia, you mean you don't like gas filled exploding warm fuzzies? ;) I won't go into my bad day yesterday. The details are just gross and disgusting and I'm certain nobody needs to know about them.

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Gee, I never thought of soft decorated... Thank guys, especially sdvl. My next product (per the pic) will now have edges, plus seams from displacement mapping, both seem to work fine. Incidently, a nice edge can be made in Max by extruding inward as sdvl said, but then extruding again down a bit more, so you will have a inner corner. Do both "local". I used to make round beaded edges similar to what he mentions, but stoped doing it because they are not DAZ Studio compatable (3 polygons can't share an edge, it renders with holes). Not that D/S is compatable with Dynamic clothing! ;-)

BTW, something I only found out recently (not sure if it's P6 only or I just missed it in P5). In the cloth room, if you activate one of the group editors, there's the option to "add material". And there all the materials of the cloth in the drop-down list. The reason this is important to me is 'cos (like I said before), I like playing aroud with meshes, but that means exporting them as .obj files, which loses any cloth-room grouping. So NOW what I do is assign different basic colours to each of the materials before exporting. Then import into 3d mesh-trashing app, fiddle about, export, re-import to P6 and since (eg) the buttons were a separate material, I can just add them back to the rigid decorated group by selecting them from the drop-down. OK, so I have to re-apply the original materials, but that's not usually a big job..and anyway, I usually want to change them to something else, just to be different:-) (Apologies if this is all self-evident to the experienced, am aiming this at the less experienced...) Cheers, Diolma

Works in P5 too. I've used it extensively, since I haven't found out how to smooth polygons across mesh boundaries in Max. So I just assigned different materials to polygons that I wanted to have in different cloth room groups.

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I like the idea of them but I have never gotten it to work fully. I sort of did once and that was it. Therefore I hate em.

If anyone wants to go and download that kimono, I'll try and help them in MSN or ICQ. I'm no expert in the Cloth room, and have only really worked in there using the poserfashions tutorial, but I have managed to get things to work. I can help you at least to understand the basics that I have managed to pick up. For something more advanced you will have to seek out someone else though :)

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Just spent some time in P6 trying dynamic hair and dynamic clothes. Argh. It's slow going and it's given me a headache. Now I know why people are still making conforming clothes and transmapped hair. Hopefully I can figure it all out after reading tutorials since it's not intuitive. bB

BastBlack, actually there are other reasons why people are still making non-dynamic stufff. Dynamic only works properly in certain situations and for certain types of images. Dynamic takes time and patience to set up for even just a still. Dynamic (especially hair) can often look terrible in close-up, and (again, esp. hair), can increse poly-count and rendering time enormously. OTOH: If the situation is right and you have the time/patience, dynamic can be very rewarding... Cheers, Diolma

Some items, socks and shoes come to mind, as well a gloves work better as conformers. Heck, some shoes look more realistic as props. I don't think thick platform soles bend all that much. But many clothes work well as dynamic. DIsplacement mapping, as Jim's pointed out, can adda great deal of realism with very low processor overhead. I think hybreds will eventually take the lead. If there was only a was to cofrom PART of an item, say the upper part of a dress, and let the lower skirt be dymanmic... unfortunatley all of my feable efforts havent worked out very well. the lower skirt always pulls away form the top. mike

I have to say love it - I just think of all the messing around with morphs that is needed to dress my "Pam" character..

With the cloth room it's a snap....

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@trav: Haven't tried this but.. Would constraining the very top vertices of the dynamic part (where it meets the conforming bit) avoid the pull-away? You might also need to "collide against" the conforming part. Just thinking out loud... Cheers, Diolma

@trav, diolma: Can be done. My hybrids work that way (no, I haven't uploaded them to freestuff yet, they're not good enough, just "proofs of concept".
If you make a conforming figure with dynamic body parts, the rules of play required by the cloth room are as follows:

• the dynamic parts must be "end parts", they can't have child actors;
• the dynamic parts must NOT have an existing body part name;
• the vertices of the dynamic parts that coincide with vertices of conforming parts (the vertices that would be "welded" in a conforming figure) should be assigned to the constrained group;
• and the conforming parts of the clothing figure should be set as a collision object too.

As an aside, it's also possible to create the dynamic parts as parented props - parented to a body part of the conforming cloth. Actually, the setup is easier this way. I have attached a skirt to BillyT's conforming waist nipper this way, and it works perfectly.

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svdl, could you PLEASE put up a pick of one of your hybrids. I'd love to see one. I thought I'd tried to your method, except for the collison to the conforming figure (which I now beleive to be very important) and the dynamic portion drifted through the conformed portion. The parenting idea is also a really good one that I hadn't tried. mike

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=1040603

Here's one. The skirt on the leftmost woman is a prop parented to the conforming waist nipper. It also uses the thicker hem trick, though it's hardly visible at this scale.

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And here's another one.

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Wow. I am impressed!

"As an aside, it's also possible to create the dynamic parts as parented props - parented to a body part of the conforming cloth. Actually, the setup is easier this way." That's what I was reaching for - you got there 1st Steven! I hadn't even considered make a hybrid a single mesh (I don't have any experience with the bones room yet, so it wasn't an option..) However, your 2nd pic, with the rings as conforming and the dress dynamic, strikes me as a possibly better way to go than making the rings "hard decorated", especially as the cloth room can have problems with things like rings... Cheers, Diolma

Diolma: I can confirm your idea about those rings. I tried hard decorated and the dress fell apart. It's even possible to have the dynamic cloth attached to more than one body part. Just make sure that the vertices touching the conforming cloth are constrained, and it works.

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Thx svdl. You've now got me thinking along the lines of attaching cloth to actual body-parts for the smokey part of genies from the lamp (an effect I've been struggling with for some time now), or ghost-like effects. Would need wind-force to get the effect right.. Can't think it all through at the moment, but it's another weapon in the arsenal! Cheers, Diolma

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diolma, "attaching cloth to actual body-parts for the smokey part of genies from the lamp (an effect I've been struggling with for some time now), or ghost-like effects. Would need wind-force to get the effect right." That is a great ideal. If you can use primitives, why not cloth. Take a look at this image and you will see what I mean. I created the fire using transmapped primitives. Now I'm going to have to do a new one with the cloth. Thanks to all.