Most! May not be the best or your favorite, or maybe it is. But for whatever reason, you use this figure more when you need a male Poser figure. Just curious. I find myself still using the P4 male a lot. hehe :O)

I started with P5 so i really dont have much for p4 male. I find that i use the low rez versions of m2 and m3 quite a bit. but i tend to put them in uniform or in vehicles where you dont see the complete figure. if your actually going to see any significant portion of the figure, i use David

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M3. In some times M2 and James, and in some RARE times Freak and David I never used Don or Dork

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M3 and David. I prefer David - he's far more versatile, looks more realistic, and poses better. But there's more clothes and stuff for M3.

M3 because of the awesome free faces folks have made for him, but I prefer M2 cause he looks better (more like a man).

David and M2. I don't like M3. James and Koji are good too but their mesh tend to break more than the unimesh characters in not so extreme poses...

ApolloMax sometimes James.

M3 and David. I like M3 face a tad better but David poses much better and his body looks less lumpy.

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Mike 2 and David. Really can't stand Mike 3. Haven't really gotten to use Apollo Max yet. I need to buy WW first.

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Dork, James, Don in that order. Dork because I had him first. I got P6 with James & Don and use them now more often. James is quickly becoming my favorite. I have Apollo but have been too busy with James to break him out of the runtime for anything. Mainly because there's just not enough time in the day. Now when Apollo get's his "Faceroom" addon I heard was being worked on, I'll prolly go hog wild with him.

Okay, not that this is official or anything, just in case others are interested.... The poll runs so far (if it got named it got counted, and if it was negative a - was added in ()since this could apply to other figures not mentioned

M2 +5
M3 +7 (-2)
David +7
James +3
Freak +1
Don (-1)
Dork +my1 (-1)
Koji +1
Apollo +1 (and a mention)

I did that quickly, so it may not be error free. Just a general idea of how opinion seems to run so far.

Thanks to all for the comments :O)
Okay, some posts since this tally. Current as of post 11

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I use M3 by far the most. bB

David and Mike 2 the most and others except for Mike 3. If the only choice was P4 dork and Mike 3, I'd use the Dork!

For my own work I use a M3/David hybrid the most. I use M3 and David otherwise ... I have Apollo Maximus but I haven't really used him yet. I liked M2 back in the day but his anatomy problems stop me from using him more. James and Koji might have very specific uses but otherwise stink (I still might hack the heads off at some point to use them). Dork is long retired, Hiro doesn't fit my uses. Freak I like but only for monsters like the Hulk, etc. Don is useless. I think that is about it. Later

David mainly, then Apollo. After that M2, Luke and Hiro. Somewhere down near the bottom of the list is M3, Don and Senya.

Well, I've run out of fingers and toes and keep messing up on my count cause on some of these I am not sure how many points to add or take off. hehe. Seems like with M3 you like him or you really hate him. :O) Also a few figures I not heard of. From the best I can tally though, M3 and David are neck to neck, unless you subtract the negatives made for M3 than David moves into the lead. M2 is in there, much to me surprise. But poor Don. I think he's still lost in space.

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Well villian now you've gone and done it! Is any Poser figure really male or female. hehe I can see the can openers coming out. Them worms had been run with yah! :O)

P4 male, don and michael 2.

I thought Don made an excellent "Doctor Smith" for my Poser Robinsons. o.O

"M3 and David are neck to neck" If that is the case then M3 wins ... he has the longest(most terrible looking neck) of the 2. Eeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!

Male?

On those occasions when I use one, it's usually M3. Followed distantly by M2. I don't have David (although his recent Platinum Club price of $1.99 might entice me to buy him). I've never loaded Luke into a scene, although I have him -- and the only reason why I have Luke at all is due to the fact that he comes pre-bundled in a package with Laura. If Luke didn't come with Laura, then he would probably never have made it into my runtime. I've used James a couple of times. He's not bad.

For long-distance shots, I'll sometimes use various low-res figures.

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Ghostofmacbeth,
What is this M3/David hybrid? M3 head with David body?

I've been making a few of my own too.
V3Male Head / M3 Body
M3 Head / V3 Body
M3 Head / V3 Male Body
Hiro Head /M3 Body
M3 Head / Hiro Body
Seth Head / Luke Body
Ralph Head / Matt Body.

And now that's mentioned, I suppose Koji/M3 and James/M3 are good ideas too.

bB

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Hmm..Mike 3, Mike 2/3rds (part of same package), Mike Lo-res (I call him 'Milo'..;), Adam (Sixus 1), Maya Dude (once or twicet..;), Freak Lo-res, and that's about it. I used Dork for my first render ('02..I think), and never again..;)

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I like the V3 male for everyday characters - maybe when I get a chance to play with Wardrobe Wizard "he" might even get some clothes in addition to the suits I got from PoserWorld. I do use the Dork as well, if the situation suits.

After that, it would be Mike 2 - something else I haven't properly explored is Capsces' Boris, who should expand M2's capability greatly.

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BastBlack ... It is an M3 with a lot of the David morphs via Dodger. I got Daniel at Poser Pros to get the transferred morphs .. Some of them work well and it cleans up a few of the morphs I don't like about M3. I have always hated the top line of his six-pack and David's is a lot better in that regard so I use some of the muscular morphs from him. I mostly have to deal with heroic fantasy things and the combined figure works well for that. It allows me to use the tons of custom morphs I have for Michael and his clothes and better proportions (the artist proprtion guide is almost spot on with M3 with a couple of tiny changes) with the better body morphs David has.

M2 the most, still beats all of them imo. But I've grown fond of the P4 male, Don & James too over the years. Behemoth is cool too, although limited in use. I use Domus for P4 male too, really good update! Never use M3, I just hate these inj morphs and the harddisk space they eat. All they money I've spent on him was just one big waste.

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I am such a David freak that I wardrobe wizard and use magnets on all my M3 stuff for it. It's far and away the best male poser figure, but for posability and versatility. It also muscles up quite well for those fantasy barbarian renders... Haven't used Apollo as David meets my needs enough that the need to invest in a new figure isn't necessary. I also don't like how Apollo's shoulders look in any of the renders I've seen of it...

I love David. I think he's superior in many ways to M3. I use M3 more than I'd really like to due to the kind of work I do (romance/erotica book covers) and the commercial poses (which I use as a starting point) available. Many times M3 is just the best choice for use, even though I don't like him that well (I always have to do a lot of postwork on Michael to make him look the way I want, partiularly in his strange musculature). Anyway. David. :-) bonni

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Of the male figures currently available, M3 has been used the most for my own work. The main reason being he's got the most "stuff" out there right now. I've made a fair amount of use of Hiro as well, although if David had more stuff available I'd probably make more use of that particular figure.

James has the most realistic face, period.
The body isnt bad, either but he has almost zero support.
(So I made myself a James/M3 hybrid ) ;-)

But M3s face isnt really that bad either, and he has by far the most clothes. (And he is FREE)

Personally I like M2 very much, both the face and the body.

But the Dork still is an excellent mesh and worth every minute I spend with him:

(YES that IS the Dork) ;-)

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Don, M2, Freak, M3, James, in that order. Has to do with the series I'm writing/rendering - when I started I didn't have M2 or M3, and Don has a much more expressive face (out of the box) than Dork. stahlratte, that is some very cool work on the Dork!

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stahlratte that is incredible!

M3 and M2, primary reasons being my preference for rendering images with armored chars, and the Full Metal Gothic and Fantasy conforming armors (one an M3 conformer, the other an M1/2 conformer) and the truly WIDE selection of textures for them to get diff looks for diff knight renders. I can get the M1/2 set to conform right to M3 with minimal pokethru, yet still chose to use M2 due to some face sets and conforming hairs I like to render with. However, with more of the additional morphs and conformers being avail for M3, I end up using him more than M2.

I'm pretty confident that if more people owned Apollo Maximus, they'd be listing him as "favorite" or "most used." Hasn't been out that long, though, and obviously with M3 being free and David being super-cheap for PC members, those figures will continue to be more common. I use all three. I find Apollo to be the most versatile and graceful, and agree with the majority of people who find David to be superior to M3, but I do think that M3 is a very fine mesh in spite of the aesthetic flaws. M3's neck: I almost aways set "stretch neck" to -1.0. It makes it look a bit more normal in relation to those odd traps. :-) I never use Don or James. I can see finding a use for James, but now that it exists, not sure what use there would be for Don. Does the DAZ Gremlin count as a male mesh? I'll always like that one. :-)

I'm thinking about buying Apollo, but I confess, I don't find him aesthetically appealing, so I'm not sure how much I would use him. I know you can morph him, but I've seen only one image where I really liked his body, and there's something about his face I don't like at all. I'm not sure what it is, but his eyes creep me out.

I like M3's head, sharp-featured thought it is, but don't care for his weird body. I like David's head and body. If he had a Capsces morph pack, he'd be perfect. ;-)

I love Koji, but he's a specialty character, so I can't honestly say I use him the most.

I do use M3, but more often than not I'm insipred to use Nigel (a.k.a. The Freak) as the focal point of a render.

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Mizrael that don picture you did looks more like the p4 male to me.

Ghostofmacbeth, I know what you mean. I saw the promo image for a new Barbarian type outfit on Daz, and I cringed at the muscle morphs on M3. They didn't use to bother me until I saw muscles done better. Now I cringe. If don't know if you have them already, Khrys' muscle morphs for M3 do wonders, as do Capsces' Brom morphs. I used UMT (Universal Morph Tranfer) to take David morphs to M3, but I'm finding I like Hiro's morphs even more! That's why I've been working on a Hiro/M3 crossover. He's more trim muscluar than the bulky muscluar like David, Apollo, M2, and Freak. bB

Khrys' muscle morphs for M3 do wonders Oh, yes! I definitely, absolutely second that. I use Khrys' muscle morphs every chance I get. they're far, far better than M3's native muscles. bonni

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My curiousity has grown to fascination and I am learning lots of stuff I didn't know! Plus I am just enjoying the chat - er, well listening in on it as I do not have a lot of input on the topic. But so cool! Never knew there were so many different male figures out there, or all the hybrids and add-ons. Its like stumbling into a little hiddened chamber of secrets. hehe

There are male poser models?!?!?!? ;) Freak and Hiro. Freak because he fit the idea I had for a character and Hiro only because of his total body bodysuit. (I have got to get that Clothes Converter!)

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I use M2 almost exclusively M2 has the best **INCLUDED** muscle morphs of any poser male and with the FREE spubba hand moprhs you can give him larger hands to over come that "dainty' hand look that seems to plague ALL poser males except the Freak,whom I occasionally use. Poser 6 "james" has no appeal to me whatsoever he reminds me of that Stereotypical Sleazy ,dirtbag boyfriend in "made for TV" movies that always ruins some beautifal but naive young womans life :-). ApolloMax has a different look and i highly reccommend the "morpheus maximus' package from RDNA and the "tallus Maximus texture set from there also and right now he is 50% off for the month of november. and Apollo,like Mike2 does NOT require 800+ peices of **INJ/REM/CHAN/VIS/DELTA BLOATWARE** in your runtime to be fully functional and with wardobe wizard clothing is not a problem.

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I use Narcisus (Pitklad) Domus - p4 male based figure the most
due to the low polygon mesh count ideal for animation among other things

Domus includes scaleable hand and feet morphs

Domus includes versatile head and body morphs

Domus uses the p4 male clothes as well

renders fast and Domus is free

then i use M3 , David and James for stills

since i hate INJection and DELTAS techno mess
I love every figure that comes with its head and body morphs included,
wich I can freely re-arrange, remove or strip to taste using Morph Manager

Figures like Narcisus/Pitklad's Domus and NEA brings new life to existing P4 figures, and with the p5-6 firefly polygon smooting they look awesome and smooth at low polygon cost !!!

love Domus ! o_~

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quote from Stahlratte:

"James has the most realistic face, period.
The body isnt bad, either but he has almost zero support.
(So I made myself a James/M3 hybrid ) ;-)

But M3s face isnt really that bad either, and he has by far the most clothes. (And he is FREE)

Personally I like M2 very much, both the face and the body.

But the Dork still is an excellent mesh and worth every minute I spend with him"

I totally agree with Stahlratte on this

By the way,
Stahlratte, you and Narcisus/Pitklad never cease to amaze me with the wonderful creative work you guys do with the included Poser 4 figures !!!

my runtime is blessed with your creations and your images and examples ignite my imagination to new levels ! o_~

I love your work guys!
(sorry I just had to say that >_< )

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So the order of most used looks something like this: M3 David M2 James Apollo - Don - P4Male Koji - Freak V3 Male - Matt - Luke - Germlin -Furraldo Maybe 6 months from now the order will change. bB

For everyday stuff I always gravitate back to Don Casual: compact mesh, clothes that a human might wear to King Soopers, and a very versatile face. I never unpacked M3 (just as I unpacked and then forgot about V3): they are both wa-a-a-ay too much trouble for the little return, a pair of vacuous, spa-buffed TV spokesmodels. They manage to make even normal clothes look like a costume they haven't had time to get used to. I'd be using James more if he were enough better than Don to warrant switching, and AM more if I could justify the investment in clothes or WW. I'd have to say my "favorite" male, in terms of appeal and usability, is Don, with M2 a close second. But then, my favorite females are Steph 2 and Jessi, and I like Judy.... M

Reading Warpo and Wolf359 comments... If you (and a lot of other people) hate with a passion the morph injection system and are accostumed to use Morph Manager anyway, why don't you just inject all the morphs in M3 or V3 and save a new Cr2 in the library. That way you would have complete models like M2 and V2 and you could throw away all the "support file bloathware" :) and with Poser 5 or 6 you could rearrange the morphs in groups too. I mean I don't have problem with the inject technology, but if I had this would be my solution. A quick solution too. That said I too don't like M3 injection or not... Anyway, I was just curious...

Have to throw a big vote in for Apollo Max. I've worked wih all these characters for my illustrations and Apollo is without a doubt the most morphable and flexible character, in terms of getting him to look like I want that is out there. Add to that the less bloat than a DAZ3 version character as Wolfie says and there really isn't a question. Apollo hasn't let me down yet.
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randym77 - did you know that beth posted a hitoro for david freebie as a hitoro add-on? i know that's not as perfect as morphs made for him, but you might try it if you're willing to get hitoro or already own those morphs.

hiro with the realistic head morph if I'm doing a reality-based image ichiro if it's having some stylistic fun

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Hiro is a cool figure. He's my second most used. bB

Male figures that I have but don't really use much : (1) Ichiro - would use him more if there was a realistic morph for him. (2) Senya - ditto, if there was a "skinny" morph for him (for those who don't know, Senya is a rather "large" slavic man). (3) Don - nearly as ugly as his wife Judy.

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if using a male, i go for the v3 male. M3, though there's clothes and textures for him, his shoulders just kill it for me. They are the most unnaturalistic rubber things i've ever seen. David's okay, more realistic, but not as flexible as the v3 male. To me the advantages of v3 male are the face injections, that the others just dont have! Nordic, celtic, french to name a few. No one really notices in a picture that the body under clothes is the same or not, but the face? LOL.... faces are very personal. The "dainty hands" which i can totally relate, i fix simply with ye ol dial of "scale", makes a big difference in scaling the hand and finger joints

Actually, I also have used V3 male on a number of projects. I use him when I was a slighly more feminine male, such as an elf, and it was a natural choice for the drag queen illustration I did on commission. bonni

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Should I just add my Domus?

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I have used very much M2 at the past but since I am working Domus 3 at the moment my only man is him!
I believe the reason people don't like Dork is his face, Domus will try to correct this...
Don is very nice figure and with Face room he can be quite attractive and different...

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Absolutely, pitklad ! .... your Domus is a great character and we look forward to Dom3. Thanks once again for your generosity in sharing your time and talent with us. The other thing that I have noticed about Dork is that there is not much variation in his body shape. (BTW what do you think about what stahlratte has done for Dork in post # 34 ?)

stahlratte's character is fantastic!!! (As always)

About Domus 3 body morphs, Rayera at posetteforever has offered some great body morphs for him and offcourse I'll make some before I release him...

I am also thinking about making a beta version so that anyone that wants can help improving Domus 3...

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I could be wrong, but aren't M3 and V3 only free through the remainder of 2005? I seem to recall the announcement letter from Daz stating something to that effect. ~E.D.