Just wondering for those that have cameras or lenses with this feature. What does it enable you to do, that you couldn't with a camera/lens without it? Is it a MUST have?

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I'll be able to answer that question at the end of this month! But I guess it's a brilliant feature indeed, hence the price of the lenses with IS! ;)

Well I don't have it so I can only go on what I read, but I am sure someone with it will give you first hand answer.

I have been so tempted by Minolta 5D because it has this and from examples I have seen it works. Enabling you to capture sharp images in poor light where otherwise the shutter speed would be too slow to handhold. Also useful if you use a long lens as shutter speeds need to be high then to hand hold.

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And every one said, 'If we only live,
We too will go to sea in a Sieve,---
To the hills of the Chankly Bore!'
Far and few, far and few, Are the lands where the Jumblies live;
Their heads are green, and their hands are blue, And they went to sea in a Sieve.

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http://www.nonsenselit.org/Lear/ns/jumblies.html

1. Allows you to shoot in lower light. 2) Handhold shots are possible at shutter speeds 2-3 stops slower without tripod/monopod! 3) With the Canon IS range, most top end lenses have two IS modes, the 2nd IS mode for panning! 4) Very useful for macro and close ups! 5) You pay the money!!! 6)Wouldnt buy a len/s without that feature now!

I don't have this feature in my cam or lense either, but from what I've read the answer is emphaically YES! (and no) It will definately help you take a clear picture and slower shutter speeds, in darker conditions, etc. Richard highlighted the key points. However, it is not a perfect technology, and will not eliminate all blur, or let you handhold the cam in all situations. If you want that a little extra help getting clearer photos when it is not easy to use a tripod, then this is the technology for you. If you want to insure that your image is as clear as can be, use a tripod.

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Funny you mention the Minolta 5d Richard, because its come down to choosing between THAT and the Rebel 350xt! My thinking is having the antishake "in-camera" would put "less" of a dent in my wallet, since ANY lens would benefit then! Decisions, Decisions..........

be interested to know too.. the slightest twitch & it's trashed

LOL@Cyn! What do u mean?

I think she means that without it, move just a little and the image is a goner. :)

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It works for stationary objects. Just don't expect to shoot sharp pictures of people in the dark for instance (i.e. at a concert).

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Kort, not being biased, but when you use Canon IS USM lenses, I think you might change your mind :)...unsure on how other makes compare. The engineering and technology that goes into these is simply stunning!

Also works on moving objects!!!...hence mode ii IS :)

yes.. that's what i meant.. takes my digital awhile to focus.. sigh

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3Dguy like the ones (near bottom) in this review ?

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And every one said, 'If we only live,
We too will go to sea in a Sieve,---
To the hills of the Chankly Bore!'
Far and few, far and few, Are the lands where the Jumblies live;
Their heads are green, and their hands are blue, And they went to sea in a Sieve.

Edward Lear
http://www.nonsenselit.org/Lear/ns/jumblies.html

Oh ok!! Jim, what's panning???

Pascale, following a moving object to put it simply!..ps..mode ii IS (on most top end len's) Which one ya getting?

LOL @ Jim! Are you offering, because I'd be glad to take you up on that! :) I'm sure that they are amazing, and that the result you get with them far outshines anything that doesn't have IS. Your gallery images and some you've posted here in the forum are proof of that. My only concern is there still comes a point where the IS isn't effective and that to guarantee your shot, a tripod or monopod is the way to go, if feasible. It is just that with IS, that point is 2-3 stops slower.

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LOL @ Jim! Are you offering, because I'd be glad to take you up on that! :) I'm offering...lol :) >It is just that with IS, that point is 2-3 stops slower Yes, allows you to shoot in lower light than normal!

Sounds like a must-have to me since I love to shoot in low light. Unfortunately I seem to be in the same boat as Cindy,...but I can always dream...And hope Santa reads this,lol :^)

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I'll IM you my mailing address ASAP then. ;] I tell ya, there were times this past weekend I wish I had AS. I was shooting around dusk and lost a lot of shots to blur.

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Hohoho -- give it a go!

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I hear ya Kort! Before "IS" was invented the TRIPOD method was the way to go! Its way CHEAPER to boot! Those lenses cost alot of dinero too! Thats why I'm looking at the Minolta 5d...no added cost because the "IS" system is in the body NOT the lens!

Jimbo, the 24-105mm. I was thinking of the 28-300mm at first but I read that it wasn't as good due to a too wide range and the the focus wasn't as sharp. so I gave up the idea and I think the 24-105 should cover quite a lot for the kind of shooting I do. Any advice on that? ;)

Great walkaround lens!...I should use it more!!!...superb build and optic quality!...outstanding lens really... paid 769 UK for mine. I also use it as a 'macro' with the 25 and the 12mm extension tubes on!

should be well suited Pascale :)..perfect marraige to the 20D:)

Yes!!! Great!! I thought so too! I read fantastic reviews about it! Thx Jimbo!! I saw it at 700. They don't have any in stock at the moment though! :(

They must have sent them all back to Canon to get them fixed !

And every one said, 'If we only live,
We too will go to sea in a Sieve,---
To the hills of the Chankly Bore!'
Far and few, far and few, Are the lands where the Jumblies live;
Their heads are green, and their hands are blue, And they went to sea in a Sieve.

Edward Lear
http://www.nonsenselit.org/Lear/ns/jumblies.html

As for these extension tubes....that's definitely something I will think about...later...sounds pretty cool to me and definitely much cheaper than a macro lens! ;)

yes...and with no glass, no loss in quality!! ps, the 24-105 has just mode 1 IS!

What R u talking about Rich! I never read there was anything wrong with that lens, on a contrary!!! It's one of the top quality one actually! Where did u get that from?

Oh crap!! I didn't see that!! :( I want both modes!!!

Richard, I believe the UK were free from that...absolutely nothing wrong with mine.

here !

Ah ok the link is too long so it missed bit off the end.

http://www.canon.co.uk/for_home/product_finder/cameras/ef_lenses/image_stabilization_lenses/ef_24-105mm_f4_l_is_usm/announcement.asp

Bit of a problem an IS lens you want to work in low light and that's where it has the fault :(

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And every one said, 'If we only live,
We too will go to sea in a Sieve,---
To the hills of the Chankly Bore!'
Far and few, far and few, Are the lands where the Jumblies live;
Their heads are green, and their hands are blue, And they went to sea in a Sieve.

Edward Lear
http://www.nonsenselit.org/Lear/ns/jumblies.html

Here what! It says it's a fantastic lens!! O_o U've lost me here!

from canon EOS magazine site: Image Stabiliser (IS) dramatically reduces image blur caused by camera shake. Gyro sensors detect unwanted vibrations, triggering the corresponding movement of a correcting lens group perpendicular to the optical axis. This alters the light path, returning the image to its correct position on the sensor or film plane. The 3 stop advantage means that photographers normally shooting a 105mm lens handheld at 1/125 sec can obtain a shake free result with a shutter speed as low as 1/15 sec, for vastly extended options in low light conditions.

LMAO@Kort...where do you find all these links???

My lord...this must be the fastest running thread ever. Soooo many replies in such a short period of time. I dont have AS (even though they are my initials and in swedish they translates into carcass..sigh...i got teased alot as a child) but it seem to be a good deal to me. Im planning on getting me a DSLR as soon as Santa paid me a visit and dropped off some caaaasssshh!! And then im gonna continue my begging of hand-me-downs from Jim.

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How come we say 'It's colder than hell outside' when isn't it realistically always colder than hell since hell is supposed to be fire and brimstone?
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When I get tired of them Andreas...can ya wait 20-30 yrs? ;))

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I guess...

How come we say 'It's colder than hell outside' when isn't it realistically always colder than hell since hell is supposed to be fire and brimstone?
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quick shot of my 500...with IS showing IS modes i and ii...yes, its on auto focus 'cos at the time, was using servo on cam.

Man, that looks like serious artillery there, industrial hardware. I'm drooling with lens envy. ;]

Kort Kramer - Kramer Kreations

That look like something i would have imagined the Storm troopers walked around with. #:O)

How come we say 'It's colder than hell outside' when isn't it realistically always colder than hell since hell is supposed to be fire and brimstone?
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Mystic Pic

The IS can't cope with movement in 2 directions at one time ofcourse. So when shooting a band for instance, you'll get a sharp stage, but the artist will still be blurry. IS/VR is great if you know it's limits ;)

What is a friend? A single soul dwelling in two bodies. - Aristotle
-= Glass Eye Photography =- -= My Rendo Gallery =-

No limits imo...I have sharp pictures either way when I have forgotten to turn switch modes! Depends on what level of photographic skills one is at!

So when shooting a band for instance, you'll get a sharp stage, but the artist will still be blurry.

Due to a number of things...mainly focusing!...but not due to IS!!!!

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I was about to say that Jimbo!! ;) It all depends how u use the lens! ;)

IS helps...but ya still gota work at the shots :)

I have the Konica-Minolta 5D and the anti-shake seems to work as advertised, but I wouldn't really know because I have yet to turn it off lol. I also have the Panasonic Lumix with anti-shake and it does work well. It seems the Panasonic's anti-shake system is more effective than the Minoltas, especially at maximum zoom range. Maybe I just shake more holding the Minolta because it intimidates me(or because it's quite a bit heavier)

According to the Konica Minolta 5D manual there are a few lens compatibility limitations although I do wonder about the last statement regarding "another manufacturer":

"All Konica Minolta AF lenses are compatible with this camera. MC and MC series lenses cannot be used....
The AF Macro Zoom 3X - 1X f/1.7-2.8 cannot be used with Anti-Shake; turn Anti shake off. If a lens is equipped with a macro release, the release cannot be used with Anti-Shake. Focus range limiter on the SSM-series or D-series macro lenses can be used at any set range. Anti-Shake may not work with products made by another manufacturer."

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I've got the Nikkor 24-120 VR lens for my Nikon (obviously, huh?). Love it! The big deal is actually a little more subtle - camera tests (for "with or without tripod" - not VR, IS, AS technology) showed that a product shot (with studio strobes, Hasselblad set to 1/500th sec shutter speed) handheld STILL had a little camera shake. Put it on a tripod, and it was as sharp as the proverbial tack. The VR/IS lenses compensate for a little camera shake that is natural to general handheld shooting, and can even get great results down to 1/15th or 1/8th sec shutter speeds. Posted situation above: If you're shooting a band on an interior stage, the "stage" will be sharp, but the band will be out of focus because THEY are moving - get it? Final note/caution: I used to work for a camera store and was in charge of handling repairs. It was pretty consistent that the more "in camera" specialties, the quicker they were to be the first things to break down. Example - little point&shoot cameras that have the built-in electronically controlled lens caps that slide in and out of the camera body (turn it on, it opens, turn off, it closes)? Broke all the time. So, generally, while I love Konica/Minolta (got 2 of their scanners - things of beauty!) I'd be weary of a camera that had the AS system built in. Sounds like you have to buy all new lenses as well.

"Posted situation above: If you're shooting a band on an interior stage, the "stage" will be sharp, but the band will be out of focus because THEY are moving - get it?" That is exactly my point ;) You can either compensate for your own motion (shake) or the motion of the performer. You can't do both. Shooting say.. an stationary animal with a long lens and low shutter speeds then it's an asset.

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-= Glass Eye Photography =- -= My Rendo Gallery =-

"Posted situation above: If you're shooting a band on an interior stage, the "stage" will be sharp, but the band will be out of focus because THEY are moving - get it?" Surely, that is due to bad photography skills? Personally, I would be focusing on the band! >Shooting say.. an stationary animal with a long lens and low shutter speeds then it's an asset Again, do not agree!!! Mode ii IS is used for panning!!! Not sure what camera your shooting with but I use a 1D Mk ii and the 5D coupled with EF 500mm...very very capable at capturing all types!!!

I like the idea of gaining a couple of stops..then I could shoot offhand at 1/125 and get a steady image.. LOL, not the steadiest hold here! I do see great potential in macros using natural light and with the teles.

"Again, do not agree!!! Mode ii IS is used for panning!!!" Correct - it is for panning - keeping the subject in the same spot - but the environment will be motion blurred with a longer shutter speed because the environment is moving in the frame - not the subject. Panning is a constant directional move of the camera to keep the SUBJECT in a constant place as you PAN the camera. "Surely, that is due to bad photography skills? Personally, I would be focusing on the band!" Gotta pick one or the other, and that was just an example I gave of how those lenses will work in that situation. Moving stage performers in low light. With a longer shutter speed (needed for handheld work in low light sits), the drummer is moving, the singer is bouncing back and forth, guitarists strumming away - the performers are all moving in DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, and the stage is stationary. Hence, if you're trying to keep your camera still so you won't have camera shake motion blur (which is the only part these lenses really help correct), the performers will still move around in the frame and cause THEIR motion blur. The only way to freeze everything at once is a fast shutter speed. The point of IS/VR/AS is that your aim will not be "jittery" and have camera shake for longer shutter speeds - particularly for longer lenses - think of looking through binoculars, then try and take that memory and equate it with taking a shot at 1/30th sec. Not "focusing better", but less "camera shake" so that your subject, or choice of focus, will not be jittery in the final shot because you don't have a tripod for a longer shutter speed.

i have a Minolta Dynax 7D and i like the the Anti Shake System a lot.i never will miss it. !!!!!!!!!! #:O) !!!!!!!!

Attaboy!! OWN IT AND LOVE IT!!

For those wondering why there are two modes: I was playing with the Canon 75-300 IS and when I moved to focus on something else there was a lag before the lens figured out the movement was deliberate. It was really strange moving the lens on purpose and the image not moving for a second.

I have a minolta dimage z5 the AS feature is great but uses more battery and causes the camera to heat up. Btw the image quality z5 isn't good.

Question the question. Answer the question. Question the answer...

I wish I knew what I was gonna say :oP

OK...I finally tested my 5D's image stabilization by taking some dimlit indoor pics, no flash, w/image stabilization both on and off. There is a significant differance. Let me just say it works well. Turned off all the pics were a bit blurry...Switched to "On" almost all were sharp. (Tested in auto & 1/8-1/30 sec. f5.6, depended on where I aimed.)