Hi, I may be going overboard with buying 3D aps. Started with Carrara (now own pro 5 and Hexagon), then bought Cinema 4D 9.5 studio which i love and is now my main ap (i also got Silo, a great little modeler). I am interested in upgrading from Vue 4 to Vue 5 infinite, and I notice there is a bundled version of infinite 5 with lightwave 8. For $200 bucks more, I can get the full version of both. But still, $799 is a lot of money especially since I've already dropped a bundle on 3D aps. Each one has it's good points and bad points so I pick the one that gets me where I one want to get the fastest with the least amount of work for any given project. Forgive me if this question has already been asked a million times, but do any of you Vue folks have experience with Cinema 4D? Would your care to offer an unbiased comparison of Lightwave and Cinema 4D or comment how well Vue Infinite inetgrates with either or both packages? Thanks! g.