OK, got all excited, because I finally got a decent fusilage of a space ship, and it's all because of what this thread said. http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=107&Form.ShowMessage=2496863&Form.sess_id=55609692&Form.sess_key=1134332792 This is great stuff. Thanks to all who shared their thoughts on this and for the great Lightwave site. Special thanks to garryts, Kai and pakled. The model is an existing Wings model I had, though it hardly resembles any of the original renderings now. Cool tuts and advice, all.