Until the thread was locked cough I was enjoying the 'debate' on whether or not flames are art in themselves, or whether they should only be used as part of, or to build an image in UF, PS, PSP etc. I'm interested in why people like plain flames and why they consider them art. I've already made my views known so I won't be offering them again here. This is just for Apophysis artists (or anybody else) to have their say and tell us all why flames are proper good. Tony Yeboah - Not the footballer.