Ive only caught like one post making mention of any changes here. Ive noted for a long time that most products have next to the links for the promo images the disclaimer "images 2 and 3 may contain artistic nudity". Now I read a post about product lines being pulled cause of promo pics and ive noted that many merchants that had 3 or more product pages suddenly have like 3 items TOTAL available. What the hell has happened? What went wrong with the disclaimer? Are all products just GONE or have they been hidden from member view by the admins until the merchants redo promo pics to eliminate any nudity? Was there any warning this was going to happen or was this discovered when merchants started noticing thier products dissapearing?

In a word? "Restructuring". In short? The no nudity rule on page 1 applies to all items, even the ones that were grandfathered before when that rule came into being. Also, certain figures (Aiko, The Girl, Miki, Mil Kids, and some others), are now considered "teen" and can no longer have any nudity of any kind anywhere in the MP. Gallery rules haven't changed. Items in the MP aren't gone. They are in a "holding area", pending new images from the merchants. Once the new images are received, the items are then put back into the MP.

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This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
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so is the (in her 30's) Victoria 3 now considered a teen by RO? I note that three pages of Baron Vlad Harkonen's stuff is gone and mostly it was just fantasy tops that didnt completely cover V3's breasts/nipples. Clearly this has more to it going on than Aiko, GIRL and the obvious children models.

You know, the hypocrisy of this place is really over the top. Miki and The GIRL are "teens" so they have to be censored. How anyone could come to the conclusion that Miki is a "teen" is beyond me, and The GIRL is obviously no more a teen than Marilyn Monroe was in her voluptuous 20's. And meanwhile, Blackhearted's Nia, identified as a "teen morph" and marketed as the jailbait slut we all wish was our wife's favorite baby sitter, continues unchanged, perhaps because her nipples are covered with transparent KMart fake silk. Is there something in the water? M

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OK so HandspanStudio's Elf for Stephanie is not currently in the marketplace. When last in the marketplace its promo images included full nudity shots of the body texture. This character is based on Arwen from LOTR. Arwen from LOTR was 2778 years old when Her fiance became king. Thats TWO THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED SEVENTY EIGHT for anyone that thought that was a typo. Assuming this product wasnt willingly pulled by Ingrid in a totally unrelated scenario, how is this character a teen please? Officially calling Bullshit. What arent we being told? Is paypal (no pal of mine) feeling tyrannical again (or still) or what? Is it time for some really net-business-savvy people to create an answer to paypal thats more friendly to the 3D art community? Surely there is enough intelligence and inventiveness here to come up with better business partner options. Just how much of the soul of RO does paypal have in hock anyway?

Aiko Hiro Koshini Ichiro Krystal LaRoo Miki Mill Kids Rosy Cheeks Lina The Girl Terai Yuki E J

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able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Officially calling Bullshit. Thank you. Bullshit by look, smell, sound, and no doubt feel and taste. Paypal is not the only game in town, and I don't believe for a minute that anyone is twisting R'osity's poor otherwise nobly tolerant arm. Make that "calfshit." Renderosity, where it's Ok to pimp teens as long as you dress them in decent clothes. Make that a crock of calfshit. M

Miki is akin to Jesse. She isn't a teen model. Nor is she a High School age model. She is a fully grown adult, post college, woman. An asian woman, but still a woman. Her facial lines and body contours are too defined for a late teen.

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Miki and GIRL are the onces that really makes my urine reach the heating point where it starts to evaporate. EJ? Silly, she's JUDY for chrissakes.. A prettier Judy, but that doesn't make her a teen anyway. And Hiro and Ichiro? The poor boys haven't even GOT anything you can censor? They're as anatomically correct as a Ken Doll... Sheeesh.......

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In the nobly locked thread someone pointed out that in Europe R'osity would get slapped with a racism complaint for identifying Miki as "underage." EJ is such an utterly stupid choice it defies logic. I was just thinking about Koji (not affected) and struck by a sad idea. In America, feminine beauty and sexiness are associated by a direct ratio with youth. So the very fact that a female character is attractive means she is young. More attractive? More young.... The sad thing? Our fixation means that a woman's life is doomed to a downward spiral. Since she must age, she must become "less beautiful." What a sick culture. M

Okay, This is just hypocritial especially when Daz3D, which sells "The Girl" as an Original Item, calls the model an adult! You are calling anime figures teens!!! Okay, someone has no flippin' concept of that genre. This is ludcrious.

"identified as a "teen morph" and marketed as the jailbait slut we all wish was our wife's favorite baby sitter" OH DAMN! That is too funny! Y'kno, a real simple solution for this seemingly hypocritical marketing would be to have two sections for the marketplace. One section devoted to all of the stuff that doesn't require nudity to market the item (IE - shoes, hair, props). Another section for the texture paks and characters which should be shown nude so that the buyer understands what they are getting. Now, before entering the nude section, there will be approximately 58 pages of disclaimers and warnings that the surfer will have to navigate through in order to see tha goods. This way, all of those folks who insist on surfing at work won't have to worry about their boss catching them looking at "porn". And if he does, well then... it's their own goddamn fault. ...on to the rant... Just how far DOES this pathetic faggotry have to go? Everyday I see more and more instances of people being scared shitless at the mere idea of thinking for themselves!! And if you, the reader of this, are one of those types then... here's a good example of where life should imitate art - In the movie "AI", William Hurt plays a scientist in the future who creates very lifelike automatons. Take note that in any conversation where someone refers to his creations as 'him' or 'her', he will quickly correct them by saying 'you mean IT'. Well now, here's some food for thought... going out extra-special to the bible-belt-by-products at paypal and anywhere else: Aiko = IT Brat Pitt = HIM Hiro = IT Koshini = IT Kirsten Dunst = HER Rosanne Barr = HER Ichiro = IT Krystal = IT Ozzy Osbourne = HIM LaRoo = IT Clint Eastwood = HIM Miki = IT Mill Kids = THOSE (as in plural for two ITs) Nicole Kidman = HER Rosy (butt)Cheeks Lina = IT The Girl(hurl) = IT Terai Yuki(Throwa Pukey) = IT E J = IT Any chance of seeing a pattern here? The 'hims' and 'hers' are REAL people! The 'its' are computer generated polygons and ARE... NOT... REAL!!!!!!! So the next time ya see a 3D render of a naked fairy or any other figure that you think "might" be underage, don't bitch at the artist or the online community that they belong to. Instead, do something productive, like surfing the web for REAL 'kiddie-porn' sites and then reporting those to the authorities! And if that doesn't help to unwad your panties then seek some professional help... or better yet, overdose on valium and stop wasting MY air!!

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Since her grossly bad plastic surgery.. I vote changing that to "IT".

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So we won't be selling Miki textures here, because you can't show them? Far beyond ridicioulus...

Why can't you show them? Put a 2 piece bathing suit on her.

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able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Why can't be selling? For many people it seems to be pretty unexpected but an average texture has more than breast and crotch areas. I know that might be rude to point out :D

www.Bucketload3d.com - where cool freebies are ~(==^..^)

People who buy large volumes of figure textures require being able to see all of what they are buying, especially hidden areas like those being covered, since it is generally those areas that are neglected when corners are cut.

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The trick is to determine the net difference of how many products won't get sold due to artists going elsewhere versus the products that will get sold through Paypal over and above that.

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Couldn't they just as easily provide a link to one of the many naked images in the Galleries? There is no shortage of those.

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able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

80% breast coverage. Seriously. That's what the merchant guidelines state.

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

The dog and pony show merchants are put though in Poserdom by the "I need to add my two cents" these days has gotten out of hand.

From what I keep reading, merchants are getting less and less respect and gratitude from what seems like a growing number of stores and members, who want to manage merchants by committee.

Merchants are self-employed, not employees.

You poke anything long enough and it either bites you or dies.

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"Since her grossly bad plastic surgery.. I vote changing that to "IT" For real? SHE's had plastic surgery? What the hell for? She looked good to begin with! Do you have a link to before/after pics? I'd like to see those! Oh and... the idea of linking to gallery pics sounds good but, well... the 2nd and 3rd promo pics are also links on the same server. So I guess it's all the same. For me personally, any promo in the future that I see in the MP that doesn't tell all will just make me contact the seller privately. No big deal, really. I still stand against the placing age on "polygons" issue though. It's just not something to worry about!

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Yes, but so long as they "lease" space for their stores from someone else, they have to answer to their rules. If a merchant wants to be truly "self employed" and not have to answer to anyone but themselves and their ISP, then they would be encouraged to start up their own store to sell their products. That's the only way they will ever be truly "self employed".

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able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

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> Quote - "Since her grossly bad plastic surgery.. I vote changing that to "IT" For real? SHE's had plastic surgery? What the hell for? She looked good to begin with! Do you have a link to before/after pics? I'd like to see those!

Nicole Kidman, before, and after.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Linda you are mistaken. I have been an independant contractor for 15 years. I have worked every version of the independant contractor biz there is for 15 years. If you are responsible for paying your own taxes, you are "truly" self-employed. Firstly, a brokering arrangement is basically "You make the product and we host it and do the transactions". This arrangement may include site advertising and marketing. But that does NOT include making marketing decisions for individual products, less you are dealing with a "legal" issue, which this isn't. Store owners, who are ultimately responsible for all site content, can reject product not in line with what the store sells, but they should not cross the line into telling a broker how to sell, market, or design the product. Those decisions are the sole resposibility of the broker. The site provides space only, and should avoid interfering in anything aside from the hosting and transactions it's agreed to provide for it's percentage. If the site has contracted work to be done, it can be in exchange for a brokering percentage, but is not the same as a what I have described above.

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Ok, I'll concede to that. I'm not a merchant and don't know how it all works, so you would know better than I in that regard. However, it seems that while it's a "contratual" arrangement, the business is still being conducted on someone else's property (Renderosity), and thus it's Renderosity that sets the tone of the rules that everyone else must follow. Years ago I used to do contract bookkeeping for some lawyers. I was an independent contractor in that I set my own rules, I paid my own taxes etc. However, because of the Law Society rules regarding confidentiality, my work had to be done on the premises. So while I might have been "independent", I was still subject to the office's rules of "no smoking", "no beverages near the computers" etc.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Here are some terms common to the industry both 3d and aboard. brokerage ( P ) Pronunciation Key (brkr-j) n. The business of a broker. A fee or commission paid to a broker. -------------------- Broker 1. An individual or firm that charges a fee or commission for executing buy and sell orders submitted by an investor. 2. The role of a firm when it acts as an agent for a customer and charges the customer a commission for its services. -------------------- Main Entry: independent contractor Function: noun : one that contracts to do work or perform a service for another and that retains total and free control over the means or methods used in doing the work or performing the service -------------------- Main Entry: consign Pronunciation: k&n-'sIn Function: transitive verb : to entrust (one's goods) to the possession of a dealer to be sold for profit or returned if unsold -------------------- self-employed (slfm-ploid) adj. Earning one's livelihood directly from one's own trade or business rather than as an employee of another. --------------------- proprietor: The owner of a one-person business.

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Attached Link: Overview of Legal Issues for Digitization

The contents of this link should be on every site in Poserdom. It is the "must have" reference. Everyone should read this. It helps explain why child issues are sensitive, and is just a very good read on many issue we all face.

On a side note: please read "Right to Publicity". I like the part on slannder too. Very concise. Lot of poser people throw that one around latelt. :) Remember is isn't slander if it's true. :) Anyway, check it out.

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-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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pS: Miki isn't a child.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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I don't get how a merchant here can sell body textures without showing all. Putting on a two piece bathing suit is not the answer. It's actually ridiculas!

"However, it seems that while it's a "contratual" arrangement, the business is still being conducted on someone else's property (Renderosity), and thus it's Renderosity that sets the tone of the rules that everyone else must follow."<< I am not privy to Renderosity's brokering aggreement. However, I would venture to say that Renderosity is responsible for seeting the tone for format and site appearance, in order to showcase it's products. What you describe would clearly apply to forums and galleries, but decisions around products would generally be limited ONLY to legal conflicts, and not "taste". >>"Years ago I used to do contract bookkeeping for some lawyers. I was an independent contractor in that I set my own rules, I paid my own taxes etc. However, because of the Law Society rules regarding confidentiality, my work had to be done on the premises. So while I might have been "independent", I was still subject to the office's rules of "no smoking", "no beverages near the computers" etc."<< Guidelines are meant to protect the interests of the client. In the realm of brokerages, now please don't freak, it is the broker who is the store client, not the end customer. In the end brokerages are enstablished to service brokers first, and THEIR customers as to better satisfy the broker. Basically, you are the broker's customer, not the site's. This is true because most brokerages either don't product their own product, or can't survive solely on their own content. You are their customer, only when you buy a product solely owned by the site. The "no smoking" policy, if not a law, is a business policy. Businees policies like smoking are appropriate because smoking a cigarette isn't the nature of your work. In the case of 3D, making and selling realistic nude texture maps is for Poser brokers. Granted, compromise and common-sense is required in large brokerages where there general decision making is easier. But the host of a brokerage should always be sensitive to the needs of their brokering clients, and avoid imposing decisions on "taste" where they are innappropriate. Any business owner, landlord, etc canmake unreasonable request and policies. In that case the broker would simply decide to either relocate or stay.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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PS: just a side on "independant contractor etiquette". Contractors never ever ever comment, judge, or dictate to other contractors on similar work. Basically contractors mind their own business within a brokerage and don't discuss other brokers.

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"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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whew - and here I thought R'osity was going to go an entire year without shooting themselves in the foot... No, seriously, y'all @ the RMP have managed to do it at least once a year by performing some crass act of self-disinterest by way of bone-headed policy.

I had thought that for once you may have got it right, and would've went a whole year without doing something dumb... wouldn't that have been a bold change?

But here it is, less than 24 hours to 2006, and BLAM! - y'all @ the RMP come through and re-affirm my view of this little universe.

Thanks, guys! You had me worried for a moment there.

PS: Aiko, a teen? ROTFLMAO! yeah, right...

PPS: Note to RMP: The day I actually agree with what mickmca is saying about a subject is the day you know that the subject in question probably needs revisited by SOMEBODY, and damned fast. I found my neck nearly in cramps from nodding in agreement to everything he's wrote in this thread concerning this little policy change.

PPPS: Holy shit! Did I see Anton declare Terai Yuki not a teen? ...and quietly assent to others re-asserting GIRL's adult status!? Wow. That's all I can say at the moment... Wow.

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"PPPS: Holy shit! Did I see Anton declare Terai Yuki not a teen? ...and quietly assent to others re-asserting GIRL's adult status!? Wow. That's all I can say at the moment... Wow."<< No you didn't. The figure is called Miki. As usual, you post inaccurately and with malice. Just dying to make a post in 2005 with my name in it, huh Pengy? Sorry you missed the mark again. :) In 2006, whynot do some tutorials or make a product. Trolling Poser people is just sooooo 2004.

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"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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Actually Anton, He was doing just that for a few months. However, You will find you guys are actually in agreement on this one. Oh well, time to write an Editoral on this one. This is just priceless how clueless the staff here is of the Anime Genre. It is akin to classing Apollo Max as a child just because you can turn a dial and make him one... Of course, no one is that ignorant. (Not meant as a slam on AP, the above comment is for demostrative purposes only. In this writer's opinion, this site is making a grave error in miscatagorizing all but 2 of the figure sets, but that will prove out in time.)

"However, it seems that while it's a "contratual" arrangement, the business is still being conducted on someone else's property (Renderosity), and thus it's Renderosity that sets the tone of the rules that everyone else must follow." Without the Merchants Renderosity will sell nothing! We have the Power, we are the World. "So while I might have been "independent", I was still subject to the office's rules of "no smoking", "no beverages near the computers" etc." To be "independent" doesn't means to be a "slave". Imagine my answer to this kind of impositions!! Save Miki from La Bastilla, Viva la Revolution!!!!

Stupidity also evolves!

I had thought that for once you may have got it right, and would've went a whole year without doing something dumb... wouldn't that have been a bold change? no, Pengy.....It's been less than a year since the Renda fiasco. This year they did a double banger. Do merchants actually make THAT MUCH MORE here, after Rendo gets their 50%, than they would with just little private offsite stores? Because, I seriously wonder why anyone bothers to sell here at all. Between the percentages and the eternal crap it sure does not seem worth the heart ache. (Unless, maybe, you have enough friends to vote your renders into the 20 day after day after day where your product credits are bound to get alot of great exposure.)

wow theGIRL is a teen? hell if I had boobs that big as a teen I would have been ecstatic!

"I didn't lose my mind, it was mine to give away"

Psst! Anton - that was a question, not a statement - thus my supposed accuracy wasn't at fault. ;) You might also find that I actually agree with you on the overall issue (but please, don't let me get in the way of your penchant for going all DQ on the studio audience - it's fun to watch. :D ) Oh, and tutes? I already wrote one tute this year, but...hopefully it should suffice. ;) ...now run along and behave yourself, or I'll build a 3rd-party plugin that lets Apollo's ERC ADC joint structure work in D|S. Now, where was I? Oh, yeah... Ach! Poppi m'dear! You're absolutely right! I forgot completely about Renda! (What ever happened to the promised re-make of that, anyhoo?) My thanks for the reminder. (no, seriously - I totally spaced that one for some odd reason). You (and Nat, and all the fine folks of this thread) have yourself a wonderful New Years' Eve - let's let Rendo perform their autopodiatric target practice in peace. /P

I was wrong, you did have a post with my name in it in 2005. The 100+ ones in 2004 might have left me sour on your intentions. :) Funny you mention the Girl. I remember that thread. Was dated the same as this one when the server went down. Yes you would never troll anyone unafirly for sport or entertainment. That would make you.... evil? Pengy, let's go back to you and I forgetiing each other exists, now and forever. You focus on Pengy things and not Anton, and I'll focus on Anton things rather than you focusing on me. :) Everyone will be happier.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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opps. FOund another for 2005. My.. I forgot I had saved everything. Pengy. In 2006 focus on software, not people. Please don't make me your hobby again for 2006.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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For pete's sake! Pen and Anton...don't turn this thread into your personal vendetta ok??? :(

"now run along and behave yourself, or I'll build a 3rd-party plugin that lets Apollo's ERC ADC joint structure work in D|S."<< PS: It is ADS. I've already seen the emails Tom. This si no news or threat to me. :)

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"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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Grow up! This thread is NOT about Pen and Anton!

You are right. It isn't. And it shouldn't be. Back to topic, hopefully.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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Freedom of speech that only protects the unobjectionable is neither objective nor free. Restrictions on speech or expression based on what might happen, as opposed to what did happen, is a new low in law. And is easily turned on its authors. Clearly religion falls under the category of awful things that actually do happen due to the expression thereof. The rules concerning unpopular pornography can equally be appied to images and portrayals of violence ... like the crucifixion or like the ritual cannibalism practiced in some churches. Should the Sixties repeat, we have set the precedents for the suppression of religious expression that might cause some harm. Add to that covert surveillance, unequal treatment of the equal, secret courts, etc we can look forward to some interesting time.

Gordon

I have heard that "adult" sites or those with "questionable" content, are charged higher rates by credit card companies. I only heard this recently and I don't know if there is any thruth to it or to what extent. Does anyone else know of any merchant companies that have such a rate variance?

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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or what the criteria is for "adult" content.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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Someone needs to start the equivalent to paypal that allows adult products to be bought....there is stuff I want a rotica I cannot buy because I dont have a cc and cant buy gift ones cause they dont do them in the uk so my only way of purchasing merchandise is through paypal. There is a huge market out there and will open up a whole new channel for people willing to put the workload into it...Now If I knew what the hell I was doing and had half a brain I would look into doing this...but shrug i dont so.....

"I didn't lose my mind, it was mine to give away"

SOLUTION 1: Sell your stuff someplace else like Renderotica, Raunchyminds, faeriewylde or Maleposerotica

SOLUTION 2: If you MUST sell here and MUST have promo images that show it all, put em' in a ZIP file in your freebies section and let people who're interested download the free promo images and make their decisions that way. Message edited on: 12/31/2005 12:59

News to me, Anton. I work as Q&A with Renderotica (Though someone can correct me if I am wrong.) Miz... RM does not have a store. Renderotica is an option, though if you are not comfortable with the "Adult" side, you are more than welcome to go through the "Animotions" side. I am of the opinion, that Paypal is not the only reason. I heard talk that Content Paradise is tough about it too.

Well I was only naming sites I knew that weren't afraid of nudity. I don't spend a lot of time looking in stores personally so I missed that about RM. ;)

I don't get this. How does adding a texture make this obscene. To work with these figures I have to view what they look like "nude". How does adding a texture even if it shows nipples and suggest a vagina make it obscene.

Doesn't covering up all these images in fact constitute a kind of fraud. You can't work with poser figures without them being nude during the process of setting up your scene.

By covering up the "childhish figures aren't you implying that it is possible to not have to see "nudity" when working with this program. Isn't this a lie?

Truth be known campers, all you need do is look at the history of the RMP's policy. They announce something, pretend to take input, implement whatever they want anyway, and aside from the few who whine about it in the fora, the rest of the merchantile group just shrug and carry on. Why? Because it's the biggest place that sells by volume, where being a merchant doesn't take much skill, experience, or anything beyond making sure that the zip file puts all the bits where they belong. So, very few leave, and fewer still bother to strike out on their own. Sorry guys, but I just don't see anything in the main issue that is going to change, so let me just turn prophet and temporarily become the RMP mouthpiece for a moment: "If you're a merchant, you'll either suck it down or go away." So what are you all, the merchants, going to do about that? I already know the answer: Nothing. Nothing at all. Most of you will tweak the images to conform to the new policy, and hurriedly post it all back up into the RMP upload bin, hoping that it didn't eat too much out of your sales while the items were offline. You'll grumble and whine, but otherwise most of you will bow down and say "yes Massa Tim! I's gonna gets that fixed up for ye right away Massa Tim!" whenever you're told to do so. The last time anybody ever proved me wrong on that note, PoserPros was born ...and that was how many years ago? I'd like to see if anyone proves me wrong here as well, but note that I won't be holding my breath. -- PS: The whole Anton thing? Hell, I've no need or bother with any "vendetta" - I'm just giving him a friendly poke in the ribs at the most, and let me make this nice and bold so no one misses it: I agree with what he said on this issue with the RMP policy (and I've said that in some form or another twice now). It is asinine. As for the rest, well, I'll just sit right here and wait for the inevitable overreactions, overwrought cries, etc etc to come pouring in as they appear to have been doing all morning in my abscence. Cheers! /P

Penguinista, You are right of course, and that is the way Germany went under Hitler, Italy under Mussolini, and Russia is going now (again), and is the way that people lose their freedom. They just "suck it down" but don't emigrate. Particularly when it involves their rice bowl.

Gordon

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Easy - create/implement a nudity filter and stop trying to nanny the rest of us. But then, that would mean spending some of their profits on upgrading the software here - and that has not happened recently!

software is being upgraded in Jan'06 ,or so I have read :0)

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Peng, I know of at least one Merchant that said to hell with it and moved exclusively to DAZ. But in general your right.... and the PTB know damned well you ARE right, hence their attitude that they will do as they wish and the hell with how it affects their merchants. This isn't the first time, nor will it be the last. Par for the course here at disneyosity. Mizrael wrote: "SOLUTION 1: Sell your stuff someplace else like Renderotica, Raunchyminds, faeriewylde or Maleposerotica SOLUTION 2: If you MUST sell here and MUST have promo images that show it all, put em' in a ZIP file in your freebies section and let people who're interested download the free promo images and make their decisions that way." Or just move on to PP's or DAZ...... I don't see DAZ asking texture artists to paint over the naughty bits of a texture. And they are supposed to be the prudes of the Poserverse aren't they? Linda357 wrote: "Why can't be selling? For many people it seems to be pretty unexpected but an average texture has more than breast and crotch areas. I know that might be rude to point out :D " Have you seen some of the textures in the store? "naughty bits" not properly aligned, half way up the lower torso.... almost belly button high? Id be damned if Id buy a texture sight unseen. And no I'm not saying all or even most are like that, there are some very good texture artists in the marketplace, but there are some........... :)

thats what I don't understand "I'm sick of Rosity's no nudity crap,so I'm going to Daz" why,there is a no nudity rule there,what is the difference? -3dz

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Hey, guys, Just thought I'd pop in, not locking the thread, just posting a little blurb about the new rules. 1. They're not affecting the galleries. 2. The changes to the nudity guidelines within the Renderosity MarketPlace are due to changing trends within the industry and it provides us with a much larger target market. 3. The "dissappearance" of stores is only until the Merchant updates their thumbnail image and main promo, and is at their discretion. They were given time to change them, and many merchants had done so in the previous year with no prompting. 4. More clarification can be had by contacting the Store Admin ;) In Closing, Have a Happy New Year! MorriganShadow Poser Moderator

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Do merchants actually make THAT MUCH MORE here, after Rendo gets their 50%, than they would with just little private offsite stores? Because, I seriously wonder why anyone bothers to sell here at all. Between the percentages and the eternal crap it sure does not seem worth the heart ache. Actually, no. But here they don't have to advertise as much and work as hard at selling stuff. It makes a significant difference, and is why my site puts a huge amount of effort into providing effective marketing. But, overall, those merchants who sell outside of Renderosity generally will do better. How does adding a texture make this obscene. It doesn't. Nowhere in the policy changes does renderosity state that they are doing this becuase it is obscene. That's leaping to a conclusion that isn't there, much like saying they are pandering to the religious right (also an utterly ill informed statement). All they are saying is that they don't want it here for business reasons. Rather large difference. ...and that is the way Germany went under Hitler, Italy under Mussolini, and Russia is going now (again), and is the way that people lose their freedom. They just "suck it down" but don't emigrate. Very true of governments where people fail to take action. This isn't a government, however. It's a website. Easy - create/implement a nudity filter and stop trying to nanny the rest of us. Which would b fine if they were trying to nanny us. They aren't.

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

"Do merchants actually make THAT MUCH MORE here, after Rendo gets their 50%, than they would with just little private offsite stores? Because, I seriously wonder why anyone bothers to sell here at all. Between the percentages and the eternal crap it sure does not seem worth the heart ache. (Unless, maybe, you have enough friends to vote your renders into the 20 day after day after day where your product credits are bound to get alot of great exposure.)" (poppi) I don't plan on uploading any new products here, I haven't in some time, and I am very happy to run my own gig elsewhere. All this silliness lately further concretes that decision. Oh, Happy New Year! :)

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"Is there something in the water?" - No, Mickma, it's KoolAid. Go ahead, drink, you'll feel better. Trekkie stop talking about hot urine or we'll have to banish you to the GS corner :-) Tis indeed heartening to see such agreement among the masses though if Peng and Anton agree any more they may come to blows. TuxBird is right though, people bitch and moan and then go right on sucking the Rendo tit for whatever bitter dregs they can get. I think the kinda stones to do otherwise went out with disco or something. "If every day a man takes orders in silence from an incompetent superior, if every day he solemnly performs ritual acts which he privately finds ridiculous, if he unhesitatingly gives answers to questionnaires which are contrary to his real opinions and is prepared to deny his own self in public, if he sees no difficulty in feigning sympathy or even affection where, in fact, he feels only indifference or aversion, it still does not mean that he has entirely lost the use of one of the basic human senses, namely, the sense of humiliation. Vlav Havel"

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken

heh Happy New Years. At least we can always count on 'rosity to take the brambly path.

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Natolii, The researched a bit and foun the term "high-risk" used alot around nudity and "adult content". It seems the rates are much higher for "high-risk" businesses.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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Morrigan If the reason is genuinely ' due to changing trends within the industry and it provides us with a much larger target market', how about following another ternd in the industry and giving a no quibble, 30 days money back guarantee so that if we buy a texture and find, once it is naked, that it has been poorly implemented, we get a full refund.

Charge backs(returns) are one of the biggest factors in merchant rates and expenses for credit card transactions. To many chargebacks and you can actually loose your merchant account. I forget what the average % limit of chargebacks is. 1%-3% I believe.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

PS: If anyone is very interested in merchant services(creditcard transactions), iBill is a popular one for small businesses. I think they only take 10%-15% of your total sales.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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DigitalDreamer, I would make that suggestion to Store Staff, DebbieM or ClintH. I have no input, personally, on store rules and regulations. MS

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Nowhere in the policy changes does renderosity state
that they are doing this becuase it is obscene. That's
leaping to a conclusion that isn't there, much like
saying they are pandering to the religious right.

All they are saying is that they don't want it here
for business reasons.

Rather large difference.
Actually, when dealing with panders, no difference at all.

I don't know the PTBs from Adam, but it's clear, watching this site evolve, that the only thing that matters around here is money. At DAZ, it isn't the only thing. (How can we make some off this poo-poo?)

The most vocal complainers in America (known as "the silent majority" for some reason) are the neocon fundamentalists like Fred Phelps and Bill Frist. They'll picket The Last Temptation and send form letters if Janet Jackson's inadequate boob is flashed in their faces. They watch Desperate Housewives and then talk about what a disgusting show it is. They are obsessed with boobs and penises, so they try not to look at them.

You don't have to be a Nazi to enjoy licking for dollars. So businesses all over the country, some of them run by people even a New York liberal would wash his hands after shaking hands with, are scrambling into their sanctity suits, putting Rockwell pictures over their autographed Wendy Williams memorabilia, and hiding their spiked dildos.

I can, a tiny bit, respect the integrity of the DAZ crowd (only a tiny bit because their ethic includes a sickening dollop of hypocrisy about how much they "like" us). But the bottom line folks, who are willing to sell their own children to the highest bidder (except the firstborn son: primogeniture, don't you know), as a species I prefer to avoid.

So I do the one and only thing that would matter: Never, ever spend a nickel here.

M

SOLUTION 1: Sell your stuff someplace else like Renderotica, Raunchyminds,
faeriewylde or Maleposerotica

FYI, FaerieWylde is a forum not a store! Then I wonder how FaerieWylde fits into a list with the other above mentioned sites? FaerieWylde is no forum for adults only nor does it show adult content. While nudity is allowed even for figures that are verboten to show nude over here we do not allow the lewd display of genitals, sexual contact or sexual displays of any kind in images posted at FaerieWylde. Just to clarify before anyone got a wrong impression here and starts to post images that I have to remove from public view.

If you probably meant FaerieDreams: the naughty bits of the MilGirls or Laura have to be covered, at least with flowers or petals but completely nude is not appreciated as well because of - you might have guessed it - PayPal.

Friederike
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What I can't understand, is why models like Anime Doll, Hiro3 and Aiko3 considered minors. All three of these models are obviously modeled to look like adults. Sure, A3 and H3 have a "young" morph, but that's only to make them look 18 (which is still of legal age). This is even more ludicrous with Anime Doll, a character with large breasts that can't be changed and large hips. Has anyone seen any minors with large breasts and hips? I bloody well hope not. Also, even if Aiko3 and Hiro3 might look a little bit younger than some would like, they have "realistic", "full figure", "muscular" morphs, shape deformers and everything which makes them considerably older. What I am requesting is letting us show models like Anime Doll, Aiko3 and Hiro3, models which are obviously modeled to represent adults and not children. They are grown up figures and you know it. Until this is sorted, any packages I make in the future will not be sold here, but at other sites which don't have such a ludicrous and unnessecery TOS. Only recently was my "Anime's Dance" package put on hold because the 3rd promo had extreamly small thumbnails of a naked Anime Doll (a model I beleive is obviously an adult). Thumbnails so small you could even make out her hands and breasts let alone any features that would make her offensive. Ofcourse, to avoid agro I have fixed it, but it was that incident that has made me feel this strongly against Renderosity, and has made me type this post. Thank you for reading. SenshiTaurus, Nathan Jarvis aged 15, Poser user for three years, disgruntled user.

Oh Nathan, Nathan, you are exactly the innocent child the PTB's are trying to protect. Naked anime dancer thumbnails large enough that you can see they have eyes and breasts? What's next? Watching Madonna videos? Enlisting to torture people who cannot understand the merits of American democracy? Shoplifting? Thoughts of a marriage not arranged by your elders? I shake my head in despair. What is the world coming to? M

Sorry, mistake in my post.
"Thumbnails so small you could even make out her hands and breasts let alone any features that would make her offensive."
Should be:
"Thumbnails so small you couldn't even make out her hands and breasts let alone any features that would make her offensive."

Hey, man, nekkid is nekkid. ;)

honnestly, why ever bother to comment or talk abotu this ? you all know where it does lead to... it leads to nowhere if you want a more effective and fullfulling discussion, maybe go ram your head against a wall, you would get smarter answers :) so everything that doesnt look like a 90-60-90 bimbo vicky or a bodybuilded mike are teen ? maybe folks at RO should stop watching mtv or tv with totally biased vision of what men and women are, and maybe just step out of home in the street, for real ? oh, and thanx for discriminating asiate in such a way (miki) it's clever lets add a little godwin point to this discussion cause, tbh, it reall desservesit: in a perfect world,every poser figure ought to be blonde wih blue hair and look liek either voluptuous 6 feet tall mannequin girls, or weightlifter bodybuilded sport men o wot say more, you know where it leads when you try to impose and force upon people such a narrow minded and false vision... i wont say more. thanx for starting the new year such way, you ruined my holidays, me happy, i was living in fear about the time when ro woudl go crazy crusader like but they choosed beginning of the year, so i know that i dont even need to wait for them doign worse as it now crossed my own line, i wont fear for the next year...

If im not mistaken, 100% of Baron Vlad Harkonen's items are for V3, 90% or so of wyrmmaster's items are for V3. V3 is unquestionably, due to the physical dimensions and printed statement of the creators, in her 30's. both these merchants marketplaces have been slashed to the bone. This isnt about "why arent the animes considered adult?" in my eyes its more about "why is a RECOGNIZED ADULT V3 no longer allowed to be depicted nude in ANY merchant promo shots?" Well they say its new policy to attract a new market. So you tell me, what happens when this brave new market, coming fresh out of the sterile, censored MP, finds it way to our galleries? They are going to cough up a friggin lung people. Then they are going to bitch at the admins, then the admins are going to decide if they would rather have a bunch of anal retentive jackasses afraid of the naked human form spending all kinds of money in thier marketplace, OR if they would rather continue to offer us free space for our nude pictures that are driving away thier new clientel. If the whole theory is to make more money by restricting the promotional creativity and freedom of the very merchants that are the very REASON for the MP, How secure do YOU feel about your gallery now? I dont even do nudes and im sweating bullets. dunno about the rest of you, but im going to start screencapping and copying to a text doc any gallery comments that are particularly important to me.

"why is a RECOGNIZED ADULT V3 no longer allowed to be depicted nude in ANY merchant promo shots?" The promotoional rules include the following restriciton: 80% of the breast must be covered. My guess is that this isn't the case. There are additional rules regarding the way the product is represented or the type of product it is, and while I find it unlikely that they would have used those, it's always possible. I'm fairly certain, however, it's the coverage issue ;)

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

If im not mistaken, 100% of Baron Vlad Harkonen's items are for V3, 90% or so of wyrmmaster's items are for V3. V3 is unquestionably, due to the physical dimensions and printed statement of the creators, in her 30's. BUT,the new rules state no nudity on promo #1 and the thmbnail images, this is why their products were removed so that those images could be updated. the no nudity on promo #1 and thumbnail applies to EVERY marketplace item now.including those for v3 and other adult models. -3dz

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If I have understood correctly what MorriganShadow has posted, then this is the case: The "no mudity on promo 1, promo images 2 and 3 may contain artistic nudity" way of doing things is OVER. There is no longer ANY nudity of ANY kind for ANY promotional pic. Im not a merchant but Ive seen merchants mention that they got some kind of email with guidelines including "80% breast coverage". Im suspecting they are only going to accept promo pictures now that only show a hint of cleavage.

Merchants had a lot of time for changing the thumb and first promo, the best date for the changes would be the final date, doing before would hurt the sales, but they didn't the changes at the final date, maybe they'll do it later or maybe never do it and the product will be gone. Only time will give the answer.

Stupidity also evolves!

The "no mudity on promo 1, promo images 2 and 3 may contain artistic nudity" way of doing things is OVER. There is no longer ANY nudity of ANY kind for ANY promotional pic. incorrect.. nudity is still allowed on images 2 and 3 of the promos in the market with the exception of those models that have been tagged as "underaged" for those models there is NO nudity allowed in promos at all. -3dz

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Some class of products depend for its succes on the thumb and the first image, specially products that deals with nudism, fetish or something sexy.
You only look at the second and third image if the first image caught your attention.
If this product is not allowed to show its charm in the thumb and first image, soon will be burried among all the products in the marketplace and the sales of this products will be lost, in this case maybe is much better to put for sale at another site where it can be shown.

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Stupidity also evolves!

Hi logansfury: No. The guidelines on nudity haven't changed. As stated previously, the guidelines are simply now being applied to stores retrospectively. Nudity in promos 2 and 3 is still allowed. Cheers Karen

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and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

retrospectively = retroactively (elle, in a pedantic mood)

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

"nudity is still allowed on images 2 and 3 of the promos in the market with the exception of those models that have been tagged as "underaged" for those models there is NO nudity allowed in promos at all." Yeah, and the mesh that has been tagged underage covers all of the anime figures. So if you want to buy a texture for Aiko or anime girl,etc. you're taking the chance that the texture is screwed up at a store where the return policy is horrible to say the least. By the way, since V3 only came out 4 or so years ago.... doesn't that make Vicky 3 underage? Hell shes only 4 years old. How old is Poser? I'm thinking that all Poser mesh would be considered underage......... if your going to use human terms for computer mesh, then human aging should be applied as well shouldn't it?

well, in dog years she's of age...

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

I thought to my self: "Self, how much coverage is 80%?" Just out of curiousity I resized the seclection to 80%. Judging where the boob begins is a bit hard for me. That's a lot of cleavage. No bikini cut, but very Jessica Rabbitt.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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ooops. That image is much larger than I intended. sorry :)

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

based on what I've seen thus far required as 80% in the merch forum (very dated info, granted), you're a tad short. About double that..

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

well this has GOT to be atleast 80% also...lmao

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lol!

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

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sorry,I think in loopholes..hehe

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I know I am going to hell for this but...

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

hahaha!

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Well, I would point out that I already am not purchasing anything from the Marketplace because of the repeated declinations of my credit card despite the card working at many other stores such as Daz, 3D Commune, etc. I just gave up trying after getting no help from Renderosity other than messages telling me to make sure I was entering the correct address and blah, blah. I KNOW how to purchase online. I NEVER have problems with other online stores. Anyway, I was considering trying to purchase some items with a new card that I have recently received, however this is the final straw to make me not want to purchase anything from Renderosity ever again. It's not so much the censorship that angers me, although that certainly does play a part. It's the fact that I cannot review the entire product before purchasing it. Why in heaven's name would I purchase a product that might be incomplete or low quality? If I cannot see the texture on the nipples, for example, I could end up buying a product with nipple piercings or nipples in a color that I find terribly ugly. What if the texture has a large tattoo around the bikini line with no option to remove it. That HAS happened to me on a texture I got before, and I had to edit it off of the texture manually. Some people may not have the skill or the time to do something like that at all. Why would I risk that when there are other marketplaces that allow full viewing? I suppose I can understand a policy like this when it comes to the characters that are obviously based on very young characters like the Mil kids of RC Lina. But Aiko? EJ? Hiro? Please. If I can't see what I'm getting, I'm not buying.

I do not care what the reasoning behind this is, in the end it is practically certain to be based on a singular idea: Make more profit. Assuming( yeah, one should never do that) that merchants will do exactly what they're supposed to be doing, namely as close to nothing as possible, all that will happen on the surface( as others pointed out already) is that promotional pictures get changed. This is my opinion, I'll listen to yours as well! Move on, merchants, go elsewhere - unless you still feel comfy here - better to end it now than to suffer more. There are LOTs of places out there to go to, and even if you do NOT like to be part of some of them, it is rather unlikely that you're on bad terms with them all. Just to name a few: 3d Commune Animotions DAZ FairyDreams Netherworks Odd Ditty Factory PoserPros Renderotica Runtime DNA My take on it - as a customer - is pretty easy: Whenever there is a product that I can buy as well outside of Renderosity I will buy it at the other location. Whenever there is a product that I do not really need I will postpone it - it may turn up elsewhere. Whenever there is a choice between similar products - I will buy the one I can get elsewhere. What does that mean ? It means I - the customer - am doing the exact opposite of what they hope to achieve, I am reducing their profit. It also means that you - the merchants reading this thread - should consider that there just might be others like me - and that you'd actually make money from me if you'd just offer your products elsewhere as well! And while we're at it, what do you - those merchants selling here - have to loose offering your products elsewhere as well apart from a little advertising preference? Yeah, you do have a bit more effort to invest to actually provide two or more sites with products and their updates and keep track of what is going on, but don't you think you'll reach more customers in the end and hence make more money yourselves? Ahww, well, enough from me, and I really hope to see some of you turning up elsewhere in the future. Kind regards.

Ok a note to ROSITY, the images in posts 55 and 91 did NOT make my eyes bleed, did not cause offence, or make me feel any different to normal. SO STOP THE BLOODY EXCESSIVE CENSORSHIP... jeese... by 2009 all characters will have to wear four layers of clothing, 2 bin liners and be encased in concrete, just so that it will please the powers that be so they can apparently "Please the masses"...????? errr... i thought i was one... perhaps they want us to go? is this just a subtle hint?

Getting old and still making "art" without soiling myself, now that's success.

Note to myself "hmmm pehaps a conforming concrete and binbag prop would sell like hotcakes in the Rosity marketplace under the new TOS"

Getting old and still making "art" without soiling myself, now that's success.

Subtelty? From Rendo? shakes head and wanders off to prep release of a survey

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

Karen and 3dz, thank you for correcting me, im happy to hear that the promo situation isnt a bad as I misunderstood it to be. So with wrymmaster and baron the reason im not seeing products is because their page 1 thumbnails didnt cover 80% of chest? Thats a shame in wyrm's case cause the golden chainmail bikinis with the solid triangular strips covering the nipples that he created for his promo shots are really awesome sword and sorcery fantasywear!

So with wrymmaster and baron the reason im not seeing products is because their page 1 thumbnails didnt cover 80% of chest? We moved a lot of products to holding which had ZERO breast or genital coverage... They will return to store as soon as the merchants have added the required bikini or outfit of choice :-) Karen

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"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire

Interesting. Well, good luck with that idea. ^_^ Looking over your list of "blacklisted" models again... ;)

This weekend I found an item I wanted to buy that is a R'osity exclusive. I passed, with great regret. If it were not an exclusive, I might have PM'ed the merchant about buying it through some other channel, including direct. As I understand it, the merchant in that case got twice as much of my money as he would have if I had not bought it elsewhere. For the math-challenged: $0.00 * 2 = $0.00. M

That post was quite confusing Mickmca...what point are you trying to prove?

I believe Mick was trying to say that Renderosity merchants get paid a higher percentage if they are "exclusive" and do not sell that product elsewhere. Of course, since Mick declined to purchase that item because it was only available here at Renderosity, that merchant made nothing. Whereas that merchant would have made some money if it was available elsewhere. It is quite unfortunate that so many top quality merchants go exclusive, since Renderosity has declined my card so many times, many merchants have lost sales from me. I've missed out on quite a few great products because they were only available here. I can only begin to imagine how many sales various merchants have lost by being exclusive. I mean, I'm sure many more people than me have had legitimate cards declined. Not to mention the amount of people who do not like Renderosity for whatever reason.

They used to go exclusive because of the better rate (65%) than non exclusive. That better rate vanished. Now they get an extra banner ad. And a special little symbol. Nifty.

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)

"...banner ad..." ? Oh yeah, those things I set my browser to block :-)

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Ohhhhh... I forgot to mention the WORST thing about the marketplace declining my card... It SAYS my card has been declined, but oddly enough, an authorization manages to appear on my card EVERY TIME. Funny how they can't seem to accept it, but the card is obviously valid and the money is obviously there. Then I have to wait around a week for the authorization to drop off before I can use the money for anything else. NOT good when you have very little money for Poser items as it is and you get to buy infrequently already, and ESPECIALLY if you're on a deadline for a PAID project and you don't have enough money to buy the item elsewhere before the deadline. :-/

A possible solution for Aiko textures: Show them on Steph Petite. Would also work for textures for Laura and Maddie. Yes, I know there's an extra leg part on Aiko but the textures still work just fine on SP3. And she's NOT being banned (yet) though she, IMO looks substancially younger than Miki. Likewise, textures for Hiro can be shown on David. Unimesh, remember? --- I DO sell most of my stuff exclusively here. Like it or not, this site has the highest number of users and thus the highest possible number of sales. I have some items I sell elsewhere, and if I make $10 in 3 months in THOSE stores, I count myself lucky. As for banners, 90% of what I buy here (and that's quite a lot) - I buy because I see it on a banner and thinks "WOW"

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That better rate vanished. >> Now they get an extra banner ad. >> And a special little symbol. An extra banner ad!!!!! And a neato "REx" symbol. And here I thought it was crass avarice. Turns out it's artistic dopeyness. By the way, the reason Ernyoka1 makes more money here than elsewhere is that folks are always grumbling about not buying here, but they don't have the conviction and will power to not put their money down. Americans particularly seem to love to shout values-based slogans which they are not willing to inconvenience themselves to actually follow. So I'm guessing R'osity's cynicism is right on the money, so to speak. There's a post in one of the outrage threads that describes the withdrawal process nicely. When you see something you want, think about whether you really need it and will use it (my Poser downloads directory is full of stuff I've never unzipped); find out if it's available elsewhere; buy it only if you have a identifiable use for it and can't get it anywhere else. If you do that, you are still spending money here, but after a while you will discover that no, you don't "need" it and yes, you are tired of R'osity using the word "community" to pick your pocket. M

I agree with the fact that being a rosity exclusive isn't good, and this is coming from a merchant. My only product is an exclusive, and I barely get sales. I still beleive that if I hadn't of marked it as exlusive (just for the banner ad...I was niev then I couldv'e had at least a few more sales on other sites. And I also agree with Ernyoka1's answer to the showing texture problem. If you really must sell items here, show the textures on an older character with the same UV map (in most cases it's unimesh). Otherwise, sell the items elsewhere. Personally, I would rather sell my items elsewhere. From my experience there is alot of agro when it comes to selling off Rosity. The fact that you can only use 3 promo shots, and the whole nudity TOS makes things even more ludecrous. Hence why i'm thinking of going the simple route by choosing another site to sell on (if i make any more products in the future), because there's no point trying to reason with the Rosity staff to change their TOS. As said before, they'll most proberbly ignore all of our arguments and just go with what they think is right (which in reality is silly).

I still beleive that if I hadn't of marked it as exlusive (just for the banner ad...I was niev then I couldv'e had at least a few more sales on other sites. so take the exclusive off the product and upload it elsewhere,you CAN do that,Senshi :0) -3dz

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But everytime I "edit" the product (like just recently when updating the pictures) there is no option for me to turn the exclusive off the product! It won't let me! It just says something like: "Exclusive? Y (cannot be changed)" Beleive me, if I could take it off I would.

I pm'ed you Senshi

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I wrote: SOLUTION 1: Sell your stuff someplace else like Renderotica, Raunchyminds, faeriewylde or Maleposerotica. And Friederike replied: FYI, FaerieWylde is a forum not a store! Then I wonder how FaerieWylde fits into a list with the other above mentioned sites? FaerieWylde is no forum for adults only nor does it show adult content. While nudity is allowed even for figures that are verboten to show nude over here we do not allow the lewd display of genitals, sexual contact or sexual displays of any kind in images posted at FaerieWylde. Just to clarify before anyone got a wrong impression here and starts to post images that I have to remove from public view. Ok! Just how many more people are gonna rag on my listing sites that carry some of the types of things being banned here or the fact that a site doesn't have a store in my list. My Point was, IS and remains, if you can't sell here. Go Someplace else!! I listed Fairywylde BECAUSE faeries are being banned. Plain and simple! I listed the other sites because they have content that is being banned here. I didn't do an intensive market research on the issue to see who had stores or market places or nudity. I merely listed sites that DO DISPLAY images that would be banned here.

I listed Fairywylde BECAUSE faeries are being banned. Plain and simple!

Faeries are not banned here..nekkid faeries are,
you can still post "Disney type Faeries" if you wanna.

-3dz I sell a faerie character set here at Rosity and it's sold rather well,so I know they aren't bannned from the marketplace. Message edited on: 01/02/2006 21:11

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"you can still post "Disney type Faeries" if you wanna." No, you can't. Original Disney's faeries were censored long time ago (they were nude!!!!!).

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No, you can't. Original Disney's faeries were censored long time ago (they were nude!!!!!). tinkerbell types,faerie god mother types..heh

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Long Live Tink!!! Oops. Er, um, sorry. Mahna mahna?

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Did I say ALL faeries? I don't think I did. Nope! Sure didn't. Pick Pick Pick Pick Pick!

ouch,that hurt :0)

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Yay! I am glad to say that models like Aiko3, Hiro3, Girl and Anime Doll (plus other figures which were named underage) can now be shown nude in the marketplace! The only underage characters now are the Mil Kids, Rosy Cheeks Lina and other characters who are obviously underaged (like Luke). Also, because of the new guidlines (i'm sure many of you have seen the e-mail with the new ones), if i'm right the bare minimun of breast coverage is now the nipple and aerola, meaning that if you're selling a micro bikini you have less to worry about. Of course, rules about nudity in the thumbs, promo 3, and of the buttox still remains. And this, the nudity guidlines in the TOS are now sensible. ^_^ Yayness!

Whoa, has there been a review of the situation by Staff? That sounds pretty exciting and I hope it recieves the appreciation it deserves. Has this already led to the restoration of some MP items with thier original promo pics prior to this TOS change? I hope this de-freaksout anyone that I paniced when I started this thread with a very wrong understanding of the situation. Sorry for the initial inaccuracies in the thread on my part everyone.

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Hi all, here has indeed been a review of the guidelines :-) Please view the post I've made at this link with full details. Karen :-D

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