Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL


Subject: Response to prior thread about product restrictions (adult theme)

profotograf opened this issue on Jan 01, 2006 ยท 25 posts


profotograf posted Sun, 01 January 2006 at 9:13 AM

(in a prior thread, my site was listed based on options for poser vendors to sell their products where they were not considered appropriate for Renderosity and other sites.. this is my response, which for some reason didn't post in the thread:) Ok, I am honoured that my site made the list of adult sites as an option to sell products. MalePoserotica will have a store soon in 2006, and will sell products that in the USA are considered "not-appropriate" based on the controlling elements that be in Utah (PayPal, EBay, Visa and other banking entities) which along with US Laws and the pressure on other US-based 3D sites have forced them to take the actions they must in order to remain "within the law". We are located in Germany, where people are of legal age at 16, where no one carries guns, and where you must be 18 to drive a car. Where you go to university sometimes until you are 27, and you are required to think. Amazingly, here in Germany, because of the pressures on the people due to the 2nd World War aftermath, racism and nationalism have been made taboo, and wasting time wondering if a man has a penis or a woman has breasts or a vagina is considered a ridiculous waste of time. Realism is realism and Barbie and Ken are not realistic. Protection of children is of utmost importance around the world, I will support that 100%, but the definition of a child is not a 17 year old 2 hours before their 18th birthday, or a 21 year old who "looks" underaged. Law Enforcement in the USA makes money imprisoning people since the prisons are mostly private industries and each arrest brings money to the state offices. As most Americans are afraid of taboo subjects and the grey line between was is right and wrong is unclear until the police are knocking on your door, most are terrified of getting in trouble. I know this for a fact, as I as a photographer have had to help Americans in the USA prove ages of some of my models, in which the US District Attorneys claimed to be "underaged" when in fact they were over 22 years of age. Alot of this paranoia is unwarranted and has gotten out of hand and what amazes me is that the US Legal System sees 3D Figures as being "abused" or "molested" people. There is a precedence case in the USA where a man who made Poser images using Poser 4 with the MilKids and V3 (Granny with Grandkids) doing some naughty stuff was charged and indicted for "child molestation" on several counts, and is now sitting in a state penitentiary for crimes that were originally written for REAL human beings, and REAL people, and he is in protective custody fearing for his life, because he was convicted of a REAL crime against the MilBoys with V3 -- 3D Mesh... I am not sure where the line must be drawn, however, being in Europe, our thinking is different and the laws here are different. People look younger than Americans in some cases, our laws are more interested in capturing people who hurt REAL flesh-and-blood people, and in stopping real crime, not creating virtual reality crimes. In Europe we are allowed to have people wearing leather outfits, male figures which have the Satanica_Inc gens or the InsomniaWorks gens. Its all normal. Now, before you all attack me for my statements of truthfulness which I can provide proof for... Please realize that the United States of America is not the center of the known universe, and unfortunately although every seems to think so, they do not own the Internet or run it. However, those of us who do run websites must be considerate of those of our users who DO live in the USA, and live under their RULES, and we must protect them from their own legal system, and keep them from getting into trouble. As webmaster of MalePoserotica, I keep my site's TOS at the age of 18, although our legal age limit here is 16. I don't want any of my American users to get into trouble. However, my new online store, will have those things that other sites are not allowed to sell, or things they cannot sell due to PayPal or US Banking restrictions on nudity etc, so hopefully we can be a haven for those modelers and brokers who wish to safely sell their products and create new ones for the Poser figures. My TOS is also quite clear as to what is allowed. And I think Renderosity and other sites are doing what they have to, to keep legal and safe and to keep their users safe in the United States -- Which is where those sites are based. Gotta see it from the other side, if they break the US Laws just because you don't realize what kind of threat and pressure they are under legally -- then you won't have these great places to go to online anymore. So support them for their efforts to remain online and if you need another option to selling your things, and they are legal here where my servers are located, then simply PM me either here or on my site, and lets talk. Its at least an option. Happy New Year everyone, be safe and have a nice 2006. Antonio Rodriguez Webmaster MalePoserotica

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