I don't really like it. This site is so slow that having to click a bunch of thumbnails to see the promo images is a real pain. I also miss the prview thums of other items in the merchants store on the left side. The "Add to Cart" or "Add to Wish List" buttons are not buttons, they are text, and difficult to locate. It looks too much like the format that RDNA uses, which is a format that I have never really liked. Of all the MPs for poser, I've always like the one here because of how it previewed the items on each item. I also don't like having to login separately to the MP and the Forums. Call me lazy, but when I login to a site, I expect to be able to conduct all of my business on that site using that one login. One thing I do like is the menu that now shows on the left side for customer support etc. However, that could have still be added without totally changing the way the entire MP functions and looks. I'd rater have the old look of the MP back.

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I seriously HATE it so far. No "other products by this merchant", no "People who bought this.." no FEEDBACK?!!?! And the double login is a serious PITA! And right now I tried to purchase something. I had to enter my adress and stuff.. OK.. I can live with that... I entered Paypal as payment because I don't have a CC. Added the amount in FULL as Instore Credits... and whaddayaknow? *points at picture* Login to pmy paypal to pay 0.00?! I think not! I want my download. And I want it NOW! Yea, I'm pissed off!

ooops, yeah, I wanted to mention the "no reviews/feedback". I base many of my purchases on what I see posted by others... not always, but it sure helps.

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able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

I don't like it either....can't see what's on sale, no prices next to the items, and if it's like RDNA, if you change your mind after putting an item in your cart, it gets deleted instead of going back to the wishlist... Edited to clarify that I meant in the wishlist.

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I think they already had the best store layout I've seen on on the Net. I don't know why they are changing it. Why mess with perfection.

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I'm assuming this is an early beta version, as I spotted huge errors in the formatting of the page at the attached link (see attached image).

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According to the article, which was placed on the front page of Renderosity for roughly a week, as well as the forum post in the CC, Feedback, and "Other items by..." will not be included in the initial conversion. They are not lost forever, and will be converted over soon. MorriganShadow Poser Moderator

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I'm old and don't like change for change sake. I also don't like complaining about new features before I've had time to try and get used to them. But... I can't recall seeing any complaints about the function of the old MP and IMHO, there were many more aspects of this site which needed changing before the MP got a new look - it always worked exceptionally well for me. Don't get me started on the Galleries or Search engine!) I particularly don't like the LHS menu - I have a RHS menu preference stored in my member options which I use for the whole site and now I have to whizz my old eyes back and forward to see where I'm going ;)

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I'm also finding that any links in the forums that were posted to items in the MP no longer work. That's a PITA too :( There wasn't anything wrong with the way the MP was before. I want it back :(

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I don't like it either. It worked okay before. Now it looks like a cross between PoserPros and Daz, with all the disadvantages of both. And it looks cluttered and so old-fashioned! Presumably the problems with bad HTML and links that aren't there any more (for example, the banner logo on the top left should link back to the site front page) will be fixed. But it still doesn't look very nice IMO.

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I don't like it already. Simply because the reason I LOVED the Renderosity market place is gone... The future that told you that you may have already purchased an item. I buy a LOT and sometimes do forget if I have purchased an item already.

I won't get started on the rest. There was very little wrong with the MP in the first place. I never had any trouble shopping, checking out or finding what I wanted before. In fact this was my favorite place to shop. Why mess up a good thing. pouts

Well I've seen worse.
But I won't buy anything for a while... I rather let someone else run into the bugs.

You know what is right for you. I know what is right for me.

WIth this new setup, I don't think one can tell which one of their wishlist items is on sale without tediously clicking on each individual item's link. With the old setup, a blue "SALE" sign popped up next to each on sale item on the wishlist. For people like myself who put items on my wishlist and wait for them to go on sale before purchasing them, the new layout is a disaster.

Yyeeeurrgghhhh!

I really seriously dislike this!

Looks like we have stepped back a decade, five years at least :0(

Lost all sorts of functionality.

I like to know which items are on sale and until when, so I can plan my purchases accordingly.

Prices in the prices in the wishlist have gone totally :0((

Bring back the old one, if it isn't too late!!! Used to buy every couple of weeks.....Won't be shopping here again until it is sorted :0(

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"I'm also finding that any links in the forums that were posted to items in the MP no longer work."

At least the product numbers are the same, so it's just a matter of replacing the first bit of the URL.

Hopefully, when the forums are converted, all the links to market place items and other posts will get fixed up to match the new software.

I agree with you ju8nkm9l, also i don't like that i can't see the price of the product and the name of the merchant on my wishlist.
The search function is still bad, as an example.. try searching for the word Vali (a merchant), the result is one page only of products, some are not her products but are related, this vendor has at least 3 pages of products.

I dislike the double logon, and a with a few lines of code this isn't really a necessary evil.

I can't tell if the product is on sale or not (already mentioned here), this is another dislike.

Finally, and because the rant is going long :-)) i sincerely hope the feedback is added to the product description as it was before, this was very helpful to me in previous purchases, and i'm certain i'm not the only one feeling the same.

They say change is progress, but in this case change was bad (so far), in my opinion.

Here are some comments for the admins as suggestions to improve what I think is the rather poor design of the new Marketplace (IMO). I offer these in a constructive sense rather than just as criticism; no doubt there are many other ideas people have that are better than mine.

The page appears to be fixed-width. As a result it looks different from the rest of the site. This shouldn't be necessary - you can make this expand/contract to fit the screen size.
There is a nice logo on the top left but it should by convention link to the site home page. I expect this an inadvertent omission rather than deliberate design.
There is a banner to the right of the logo which is not the same height and as a result the page looks (to me, anyway) odd and unbalanced. If you must have a banner it should be in keeping with the rest of the page top. Be nice if it had rounded corners to match the logo, as well.
Do I need to know how many members are online? No, I don't.
The button bar below the banner is fine, except that it doesn't stretch the whole width of the page section which contains the thumbnails; so there is an odd 5-10 pixel gap either side of the button bar, which looks really poor. (I'm using Mozilla 1.7 BTW. Maybe it's different in IE?)
There is a Search button and also a Search text box. In fact, both do the same thing, but if you click the Search button it takes you to another page to do it! Unless you're planning to use the separate Search page eventually to design an expanded search facility, who needs both?
Aarrrrgh! Why the dreadful default HTML buttons next to the search box and two drop-downs? You use graphic buttons just above these - why not do the same here?
Then there's another two what are, in effect, button bars, but not graphical - this time all text but with different designs for each bar! For decent appearance, consistency is vital. Small, well-designed graphical buttons would look so much better and surely there's no need to worry about the extra bandwidth on a site of this kind?
Product thumbnails are of different sizes. I mean, come on.
Why is is necessary to have that tedious row of pages 1 to infinity repeated on the top and bottom of the page?
Just above the tedious row of pages there's a link named 'Top'. It takes you to the top of the page. Um, we are already at the top of the page, unless someone uses a screen size of about 100 pixels high... seriously, this is just a wasted line.

I could go on, but if you could fix these issues it would look a whole lot better. Maybe this is a just a temporary design to check functionality - I hope so, because although this is not a site devoted to web design, it really should have a slick, attractive (I might say beautiful) interface if it is going to attract people to it.

Steve

I really liked the old version. For many reasons. Things that have gone MIA: Wishlist and Cart can no longer be seen simultaneously - Wishlist is TWO clicks away now. Wishlist used to show name of merchant. I really miss that. And what happened to pricing and sale info?????? And I most DEFINITELY want the menus on the right. This is the kind of thing that makes me buy LESS, not more. Which is probably a good thing. :] Fish

I assume the change was for economic or technical reasons. I used to sort stuff by moving it between wishlist and public wishlist. Having the prices listed in my wishlist was an essential pert of shopping for me... I know I can work around it by looking up the price of each item (which I wish was at the top of the item page) but ugh! I really really wanted a boolean search given the size of the store !!! Is the advanced search coming back? Can a Google search of the site be set up? Can I do this from the Google advanced search by giving a domain filter? I wonder. I wish I could filter my searches so I could say look at hair mesh and not have to sort through hair textures and pose pre-sets to find them. I have actually given up on shopping for hair. In conclusion - what I want? 1. prices on wishlist. 2. prices at top of product page. 3. boolean search 4. stand-alone vs. expansion/add-on filter

I sure hope they fix the wishlists. I always check my wishlist first, to see what's on sale. Or I used to, anyway...

I don't know why they changed the thumbnails, either. I liked the way it worked before. Having to go "back to product page" after viewing the item (if you want to read the description, or add it to your cart or wishlist) seems like a pointless extra step.

It is nice to have a big preview image first, with no need to scroll down to it.

poersonally i hate it with a passion, i want the old one back it a pita to navigate and i have been trying for 3 hours to d/l a product i cannot get . grrrrrrrr really unhappy camper here and its made the entire site slow and it was slow before. < for me anyway>

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I hate it.....only was on it two minutes and that was long enough..listed my reasons on the above link

"I didn't lose my mind, it was mine to give away"

I haven't really had time to study the new pages, but the one thing that jumps out at me is the omission of the product review. In several instances the product review is what helped me determine if I really wanted an item or not. The reviews should definately be brought back.

My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice!

I'm all for giving something new a chance to get on its feet but the look of the New 'Renderosity' is a poor show. Its as though the website layout has been done by a first year student with not too much creative artistic talent and who is at university studying for a Masters degree in Computer Science and being asked to do creative media. Why don't they call in a professional to sort things out. No Pro is designing this site its dull, out of date and sooooo slow.

I'm totally dissatisfied with the new MP, both as a customer and as a merchant. I find it VERY impractical, poorly layed out and plain ugly. Sorry if I have to offer only one constructive criticism, but I had an heavy working day and I'm tired - so here it is: "Go back to the older one". I hope this will not be the final straw to persuade me to leave the MP with the few things that I have to offer - I had enough of negative policy changes in the last months...

An example of change for changes sake. I never had any problems with the old marketplace. Not having the items on sale on my wishlist is a major failing in my opinion. What is so new and fantastic about this new marketplace that warranted the change? Like Klutz I'll be waiting for the bugs to be ironed out before I buy anything.

I personally dislike it very very very much. It makes no sence to me. I agree that change for change's sake is ridiculous. I can recall NO ONE complaining about the marketplace. I can recall LOTS of people complaining about the gallery sluggishness. So the galleries are left a morass and the marketplace that everyone was comfortable and famaliar with is now completely hosed in appearance and doesnt even enjoy full function. I just dont see why well enough wasnt left the hell alone and the obvious prob - the galleries - gets addressed. Yeah there is a huge problem in the marketplace, but its not its GUI, its all the products that are gone because of the revamping of promo shot rules and the mess that followed. Logan

I agree with much that has been said here and also voiced my concerns in the Community Forum "What Happened" thread. I encourage others to do so as well. Hopefully the powers that be will better see our opinions and make some changes if they see how unhappy most are with the new layout.

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I hate it!!!!!!!! It used to be easy to shop and now it sucks! The whole site needs work. I am sick of all the MySQL errors and how slow the site is. Today I could not even access my own gallery - much less other people's. I get server timeouts. Just because I loved RR so much it figures they had to screw it up. ARghhhhhhhh!

Following Ariannah's suggestion. I posted a link on that thread back to this thread suggesting that the Admins take a look. :0/

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I can't say I like this either. In my opinion the "old store" was perfect, and now I think it is really frustrating. And my shopping cart..Purcased items, in that list I really have problems. Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, but before my purchased items was sort after date, so I could go back when I was looking for a product that I knew I had bought some time ago, or just some days ago. I have bought a lot of items, and now they are sorted around by some in june..the next one that appears in january, and so on. I used to use a LOT of time to credit the right merchant by locate the item in my purchases, but now I may stop credit at all, I don't want to sit all day to locate the items in my purchase history. I am pretty sure that it showed 487 items yesterday, now it shows 464. I can see now that it seems like it is sorted by alphabet, but still I liked it much better the way it was. And I liked it much better when it looked bigger. The Marketplace itself reminds me of a combination of RDNA and poserpros, and I don't like it. Now it will be the same for me if I purchase an item from poserpros or RS.

AND..I have to agree with dreifterlee, the site is SO slow,it takes minutes for a picture to show up (I have a fast internet connection), and those errors..I hate them!

I hate it so much I'm not shopping here any more!!!!!!

I agree with everyone.. go back to the way it was. I really dislike the "new improved" version. The wishlish is really very bad now. I liked the prices and the sale parts and that is what I looked for in there.

It is horrid

Ditto all of the comments posted above.

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It is cumbersome and slow. How many times do I have to log in??? We should remember Renderosity's record in responding to complaints, so better learn to live with it...........

Have the stats in the "What's Hot" section been reset? There's some older items back in all of a sudden. If that's the case, it's not good news for me; I had a product, up for less than a week, which was starting to work its way through the list. (Personal - possibly selfish - gripe, I know).

Minor point - I'd like the sidebar on the right, like one or two others, or the option to place it there.

Not just (or even mainly) for these reasons, but for all the others above, I don't think this is working at all.

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Who redesigned this.....Renda? 8P

My first reaction was "Oh my God this is terrible!" However, after spending some time at the new MP I now think "Oh my God this is REALLY terrible!" Things that should have been fixed weren't and things that worked great are now gone/messed up beyond repair. Ok, let's say it all together now: "IF IT AIN'T BROKE..."

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sooooooo glad I've not got a store here anymore....

I also dont like the new shop as it isnt the same as before. So many good features have gone as the reminder for a second buy or also the possibility to redownload bought things easy again. The search after merchants and bought products. The overview has been better and the reviews often have been helpfull too. RR was my favorite store and I also have loved it. But in the moment Im also not sure what will be when time goes on. Its a pitty :-(((

Usability and user interface has never been something Bondware is very good at. You'd think, after all the complaints and previous problems, that they'd hire someone who actually understands about user interfaces to at least advise (i.e., on a consultancy basis), but no, they just go ahead and do whatever they want and then listen to everyone complain and cherry pick which complaints they want to deal with. Very professional. bonni

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Well so far I don't like it! It looks like a store back a decade or so - why so much text instead of buttons? Why do they have to mess with something that looked good to make it look awful....how do you buy things anyhow? You could add it to your cart or use quick buy - now I see no buttons at all...just text.. YUCK!!

Sorry Renderosity, unless this was necessary as a prerequisite to an entire new master site built on SPEED, this was a bad move. Didn't you get some user imput before you did this? ::::: Opera :::::

I personally don't think it made a big difference. If Renderosity was a little faster it would be better. They need to concentrate on speed not how it looks. I noticed the products I had in my cart is now gone. So it must of purged everything when they switched over. It seems the new look is not very popular. Adrian

operaguy addresses something I was wondering about. Just who does test out the new systems before being implemented? I can understand the Admins and some Mods but what about normal joe members who shop here? Not everyone's surf experience will be the same nor will the appearance and functionality of various user's browsers. Kind of important where sales are concerned don't you think?

And where is the "updates" function for previously purchased items? I can't seem to find it. Is it gone or just buried somewhere where my addled Brian (brain) can't find it?!

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It is not the look so much that I have an issue with.... Sure it used to look a lot prettier and now it is arcane and archaiac in all the wrong senses of the words. It is the functionality which is compromised. Can they bring back the old Market Place? I can't see that any Admins have posted on this thread despite me putting links from a couple of other threads. Don't really want to but....this might well be me and my wallet moving elsewhere! :0(

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Spedler said it with, "Now it looks like a cross between PoserPros and Daz ..." That's the first thing I noticed. Haven't really looked at the market place that much yet but PoserPros has always annoyed me. Don't like that layout at all. None of the sites really do searches properly. The thing I DID notice is that my cart is now empty. I'm lazy and just put future purchases into my cart. When I find that thing I just can't live without (and I have a high speed connection) I cash out and download. Someone else said it: I guess I will shop less and save money ... Best Wishes All, Rance

New Baby? please do give it up for adoption and get rid of it. what was wrong with the old layout? It was clear It was easy handling

My 2 cents::::: Welcome to PoserPros!!! In other words, don't care for the new layout at all, especially past purchases. Have no idea outside of the order number to tell me what I bought. I agree, bring back the old store!! It may have been slow but I could find what I wanted.

I must remember to remember what it was I had to remember.

Just as a note, Admin don't read the boards outside Community Center, Merchants forums, Admin forums, and Store forums, so, if you want to reach them, the best avenue is sending an email to admin@renderosity.com MorriganShadow Poser Moderator

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Yes....The Community Centre and Customer Support areas are where I posted a link to this thread. Don't much care to re-iterate in an email TBH Said my piece here... If they don't want to read it... Well, that is up to them. :0(

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I hate it. All the items I had in my shopping cart are gone. I had a lot of things marked for purchase and things in the cart - all gone. It is now a little harder to find the wish list. I liked it the old way - easier to get to, sorta buried now. I wish they would have made it faster and not messed with the interface - it is still very slow to go from page to page - and I am on a super computer. The product page seems to load very quickly though. There was much complaining about the fact nudity was going to be done away with. This is not the case - there still are fuill images so you can see what you are buying. Those posts were all misleading. Thanks for keeping this, Rendo. I really miss the feedback comments! I always read these. Please bring them back. Ultimately, I do not see any benefit to this change - there are no new features - and key old ones are now gone. Please bring back the old site! This looks like they modeled it after RuntimeDNA. Rendo had a better store the way it was because there was more info on the page. I want the feedback info I miss it and would love to have it back as it was. I miss the links and thubs of other items, I really miss the feedback info,

I'm sorry you feel that way, Klutz, but, considering the amount of time they're needing to complete the transfer, as well as answering questions in the forums that they have to man, the best, and most direct way, to contact the admin is via email. MS

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well IMO they should read them , or how else would they know whats going on in there own site. Rita

It wasn't just my opinion I wanted to notify them of. :0/ There are a lot of seriously displeased folk here!!

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I don't like it at all here... It says I am not logged in, when I am.. I liked how it was layed out before, with other items by the artist, comments. etc.. Yet again - why fix it if it ain't broke... Surely Renderosity, you've got the hint by now? If its your new baby, I really hope you got kept the recipt so you can return it and get the old one back :P -S-

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I'm not happy with the new MarketPlace either. I liked the old one better, for all the reasons that have been stated in this thread.

RitaK, That's what Moderators and Coordinators are for. We communicate to the Admin if anything goes wrong, member requests for improvements, etc. However, if you really want to get through to Admin, the direct route is always the best. MS

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I sent an email to the Admins, and I included a link to this thread, PLUS a copy/paste of the entire thread's comments in it as well (58 at that time). I also told them that every single post in this thread has been negative regarding the changes.

I encourage everyone to take the time to send an email.

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The following is the reply I got from my email:

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First off let me say Linda, we as admin do read as much of the forums as we can but certainly we can't read them all as there are approx 2 million forum posts and 60 different forums.

Being as something like this is a big change and there are lots of threads in a lot of different forums we asked the moderators to keep tabs on the threads in their specific area and to note to the members that have suggestions, opinions, etc that they want seen by the admin to come to this email address so that we can be sure as to not miss them.

We appreciate all the opinions, suggestions, etc that have been received and will be reviewing them all for possible changes to accomodate as many members views as possible.

Thank you,
Stacey
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Sorry, I hate the new look! I want the old one back!

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"... accomodate as many members views as possible."

It shouldn't be too hard to figure. We all seem to be saying the same thing. So. When do we get the old one back? :-) Message edited on: 01/16/2006 19:47

I agree with all. I do miss the old look, as it had a whole persona of it's own in terms of design and form. I also miss what would be on sale [when it starts and when it ends], and what items I can re-download.

Lastly, why should I log-in {the MP} a second time as in terms of logging into the community page?

'tis a pity. And, unlike most of the posts here -- I love the feedback (or review), as it has helped determine my purchases. It would be nice if they bring that back too...

Didn't mean to rant, but I do hope to see improvements [by bringing back the old design], but not happy about the change.

Just my two cents...

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Until rosity gets this mess back to its great user friendly interface, I'll probably buy elsewhere. This is a royal mess. Sorry guys, but it looks like your new baby was still born. Please put it back to the way your CUSTOMERS prefer it.

I dont like it either and can only echo what has been said here already. Im also sick of seeing SQL errors all the time. Seems the website is offline more often than online. As for the galleries. Seems almost a waste of time now to even try load a web page there.

Just a note, the reason you're having to log into the new MP is because it's on a new system. Whenever any store transfers over to a new system, in order for you to stay logged in, it needs to store a cookie on your HD. As long as you check the "stay logged in" box, you should be kept logged in, so long as you don't delete the new cookie. The Community and Store software are totally different, hence the need to log into the store now. MS

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I do NOT like the new 'wish list' for the same reasons everyone else has stated - no prices, no sale tags. I've been shopping at RDNA less since they converted over; it is just too big a pain to deal with the wishlist sytem. I am seriously pissed to see Rendo has gone to the same system.

I agree with everyone here. I liked the old format. I am going to email them also.

I feel sorry for the programmers, they've probably worked hard on this. But it's still cr*p. Change the design back and add the new features.

Pinky - you left the lens cap of your mind on again.

I have to agree, I don't like the look of RDNA's marketplace and this is way too similar. It has a 'cold' feeling in my opinion and is not nearly as user-friendly as the old way. The merchant tools will probably be useful, but like others have said, there really didn't seem to be anything wrong with the old way as far as I could tell. SnowS

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I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

Always thought that RO had its own identity. Just because you're running off Bondware doesn't mean you have to look like those other sites that run off of it as well. I guess I don't have to mention anymore that the marketplace resembles RDNA since its been said many times above. In the front it says "Look at our new baby"...sorry to say but your baby is ugly LOL!! The site is very very confusing and although we will bicker about it, it's not really up to us. We don't really have a say, the site is here to stay, so we might as well get use to it.

I doubt the programmers worked hard on anything. The marketplace looks like a beginner who just bought Golive or something tried to do it - and failed. Also, I hate if they no longer tell you if you already bought it. That was a big help. I am taking my business elsewhere until this mess is hopefully fixed.

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Pinky - you left the lens cap of your mind on again.

My first thought (once I was actually able to get in...) was "Welcome to Rendo DNA". On the upside, my wishlist is now sorted. Alphabetically, even. Pity it doesn't still display the merchant's name as well. Overall: proof that software updates are not the same as software upgrades.

I for one will not get used to it. Unless some major improvements are done. This is ridiculous. It is even worse for the merchants than it is for just purchasers like us. As Admins of the business, you are ruining what is to some merchants their means of income.

Tsk tsk rendo...tsk tsk.

Your servers are horrible, your service is bordering on horrible as we speak and your layout is unfriendly and badly thought out. And you answer is for us to DEAL WITH IT? We are your CUSTOMER....YOU will DEAL with US.

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I want prices back on the wishlist.....that is a must have.

I suppose we need to try and be patient though, they did listen to us when we complained about the color change. I don't think MistressWit's attitude will do us any good, and I have to disagree with her saying that their service is bad. As a merchant, I've been very satisfied with their service and I don't think this change is going to utterly destroy the Marketplace. I just prefer the old look, both as a merchant and a customer. SnowS

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I do not speak as a representative of DAZ, I speak only as a long-time member here. Be nice (and quit lying about DAZ) and I'll be nice too.

I do have a bad attitude...it's my downfall. ;) My service experience must differ from others though.

Awful job, Rendo. You should never 'change' things just for the sake of 'change'. Change things when you have improvements to introduce.

What an abortion. All my product descriptions are squrewed. Obviously the new "design" doens't correctly support HTML descriptions. No wonder nobody's buying any thing. I seem to recall we went through this hell about a year ago. Most of the complaints never got fixed. They were just ignored till the unhappy and unwilling to put up left. I guess they decided they needed to torture the customes some more. Drive some more away -- Good idea. Gawd just leave it alone. The more you screw with it the worse it gets.

~waves at the Mistress and grins~ Bad attitude? You? NO WAY!! :p (You know I love ya hun) As was said though, they did nothing when most hated the site design change. I don't like it but it is what it is. I'm afraid to even go into my control room for fear it'll lock me out again LOL

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well, here's my second post...hopefully the sql errors won't pop up blowing it away. I agree and this new store blows chunks. I did write to admin@renderosity.com, but with all of us emailing, the whole inbox will probably explode any second. And the deal about ticking the "remember me" doesn't work...i have gone in 3 separate times and have had to sign in all 3....plus my cart that i wanted to buy is gone, as are my sales prices ... and all the rest. It isn't any faster from what I can see either. But after reading the fornt[page blurp, it appears its a BONDware issue. This is the new Bondware 3.0 ... I think we need a 3.5 version that works like the old one.

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Deal with it? I dont think so. We are the customers and they need to listen to us. If we quit buying then Merchants will back us up to. If you run a store you listen to your customers. Granted a new look can be great if its implemented right. But this one just doesnt work. As for customer service thats a whole other ballgame. I wont even go into that.... As a customer, it maybe a little different for a merchant.

Good Gawd People. The New MP has not even been up for a day yet. Did you think that they would just switch everything over one day and that would be it? I'm sure first they will concentrate on function,then form. The variables of making a huge migration like this reaches farther and wider than most will ever know. This is a process,...not an event. Give-em at least a week or so to work it all out. At least more than a half of a day. Sheesh Tom

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I hope all the vendors like the vacation

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Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together.
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I sincerely doubt they will be changing it back.

Regardless of what we say, it's their site and they'll do what they want. So long as merchants sell here, people will keep spending their money here.

It's the merchants that hold the ultimate trump card. Renderosity isn't an "art fan site"; it's a business and it's reason for existance is to make money. The forums and the galleries are just "extras" that they offer to keep us here in a community spending our money in their marketplace. If the MP failed to generate money, this site would have no purpose.

If the merchants move, so will the buyers obviously. If enough of them pull their products and go else where, Renderosity will have no choice but to take another look at what they've been doing.

However, I tend to believe that the changes and rules implemented earlier this month were done as a "feeler"... a way for Renderosity to test the water and to see what people say and do when confronted with gross change.

Not many merchants left (maybe one?). Also during the many threads created at that time, many merchants admitted that they get most of their sales from this site. So that pretty much paved the way for Renderosity to do what they like because they now know that merchants will keep their products here because this is the place they get most of their sales.

This was further cemented by the fact that other changes done in previous months/years obviously didn't affect their bottom line and the MP endured and merchants kept putting up stores and new products and people kept buying.

Like I said, it's the merchants that hold the ultimate trump card. Merchants with items for sale in the MP = people buying.... and Renderosity knows from past experience that people here are all talk and that the MP will endure this, as it has endured everything else Renderosity has thrown this sites way. For example, this site is the most grossly slow and sluggish site I've ever been on, yet people still buy and sell here. The site has changed gallery posting rules, yet people still buy and sell here. The site has changed promo image rules in the MP and merchants still stuck around and people are still buying and selling here.

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I had some things in my cart and was going to purchase it today. But, now it's not there and it's not on my wishlist. So, I got to try and find it. The site is too slow for me to bother now

What happened to our updated products page? I can't find it!

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I know no one likes to be told that their baby is ugly, and I really do hate to be so negative, but the new Marketplace is just awful. I hope the powers that be can swallow their pride, listen to the members, and change everything back to the way it was.

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Why don't you tell your dreams to me
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I deleted my post. After I dumped my Cache things started to work better. I am willing to give them a chance to work out all the bugs.

ratscloset
aka John

I second all that was said above. I hate it, and I want the old store back. I used to enjoy shopping here.

The old Marketplace was the best of all of them, so why copy the much inferior RDNA marketplace. One thing that was unique about the old Marketplace, was that you could always tell what you had previously purchased on the catalogue page and the old Marketplace would never let you buy the same thing twice by mistake. The new one does. The old Marketplace was better and Renderosity would be smart to bring it back.

You know.....it's kind of funny.

I recall when Rendo switched over the Marketplace not too long ago.....and man, oh, man did people ever gripe about the changes.

And NOW: the system that was intially castigated and bemoaned out of the gate is being praised as the best thing that there ever was. A programmer's dream.

It's just.....funny to watch.

IMO, the new setup is not so bad. I can't say that I'm instantly in love with it. And I certainly hope that customer reviews will be added back in later. And I'd like to see "Add to cart" and "Add to Wishlist" buttons put on the two sample image pages -- so that you aren't forced to return to the front product page in order to add the item to your cart. That just causes an extra page-load.

Other than those few things -- it'll all come out in the wash. It always does.

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BTW -- I, for one, actually LIKE the layout of the new cart & wishlist. It's a lot easier to follow.

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..shrug... I pretty much adapt to anything. The only thing I don't like is the "previously purchased" you get when buying. I have a BAD habit of buying twice.

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Goodnight, folks. It's 1:45AM here.

No doubt, this thread (and others like it) will grow like mushrooms in the yard overnight.......and the long-term effect of the threads will be about as transitory as the mushrooms are. They only last a day or two.

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Eh. Needs more beta testing. And usabality testing. Good thing I decided to do an impulse buy yesterday with coupon, because I won't be shopping again until the marketplace is ready for primetime, and if some of my fave merchants and pulled products get returned to the marketplace.

Wow - what a giant step back :-O This is really not a contemporary store anymore. It has no sexapeal - means it doesn't make you wanna do some serious shopping. I assume that the sales will reduce as a result of this lame application. I never was a fan of Bondware (old fashioned application design - inclusive the forum-software), but this gives me the creeps. All that keeps me visiting is the community and the galleries.

From a comparitive list thus far, this is what I have arrived at as far as opinion: Pros: The Market Place is quite a bit faster now compared to the galleries here. Cons: 1.) Please lose the baby on the first page, it's annoying. Please Let's go directly to the MP. I'm here to shop and research, not start a virtual family and rejoice about rubber infants. 2.) Allow the user to shift the menu from right to left in options. I dislike my menu on the left side as I'm right handed. 3.) Upon pulling up a product page; I dislike the fact the price is below the first promo picture now. You force us to look at stuff before we know we can afford or even want. Most of the stuff we don't. 4.) Where are the wishlists??? Come on now, you don't think I'll buy everything you want me to upon first glance?? Give us some time, and perhaps we will fill your coffers. 5.) Customized menus. I want to see shortcuts that I'm only intersted in, not what you force me to see. My world isn't yours, and vice versa. 6.) Did I mention wishlists??? Public and Private! This way we can monitor sales, receive gifts, and get organzied. But I'm sure you would rather want us scatterbrained and oblivious to pay full price on everything. 7.) I really miss "My Gallery" rolldown on the top to quick access IM's and my "life" here. I feel very isolated by this new store, like it's a subset of the site and I need to go to "galleries", then select mine. Too much trouble...I'll be in my gallery if ya' want me. 8.) My Perchase/Gift History is nothing but numbers, no names. I'm supposed to know that order #1982719872 is an order from orion1167??? I'm pretty good with numbers, but you riddle me with that one. You give us too much credit with memory. 9.) You never asked for user input with this endeavor, but just went through with it, as always. Great, the MP is a bit faster, but in disarray. You only have 300,000 users on this site, you can't ask for a survey?? 10.) I'm not buying anything here until these issues are cleared up. Period. It looks more like a flea market than anything viable in the real world. And we are talking real, right? Wating for galleries to be erased next -Shardz-

I really HATE!!!!!!!!!!!!! the new look!!!! One of the reasons I liked shopping here was because of the way the previews were set up for item. It totally BLOWS now! I liked seeing what other purchasers had to say about the item! I sure do hope that the site owners/manager listen to the members on this one. I will not be purchasing anything else until this horrible marketplace goes back to the way it was or looks and maneuvers better!

Lol...so there is a double login after all???How come it logs me in after I refresh my cookies several times;P I like rosity,I really do...but the only change I wanted was to be able to get rid of that white bg as I think my purchases dropped to nothing when that change took affect.I only have slightly over a hundred purchases but I think that happened in less than a year or so and since then I've made three or four purchases based on links others send me.I have sensitive eyes and white bg's with that color scheme hurts my eyes and makes viewing the store undesirable for me. Listen guys,I know you want a better store...but the buyers don't want what you're doing.This process should have been better prepared for and the changes should have been all at once rather than in steps.The negative feedback you've gotten so far seems universal and its only going to get worse until your restore the features people want.But to be honest,I don't think we ever get listened to as a lot of people don't like the white bg and nothing was done about that...if I want a white bg let me choose it like I do the bg for the rest of the site areas. I don't think you'll get me back buying on a regular basis here...just seems you prefer your own aesthetics to that which the purchasers want.

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I actually don't shop here at all....I browse and then hope I'm lucky enough to find it at CP because Rosity has never liked my credit card. But I do still use the market place, and in the hopes that one day my plastic would be worthy enough, I have a nice lengthy wishlist. My only beef would be to mirror earlier comments that having merchant name and prices show on the wishlist. I have yet to go to a site that wasn't a pain in one way or another...but all of those sites still show me prices on my wishlists (even if it's like searching for lost treasure to find said wish list again). It makes planning future purchases very difficult...or it means I have to kill a few trees printing things out or writing them down and then loosing the damn slip of paper. Not that a website couldn't go wako and loose it for me...but my desk is a big enough black hole to begin with. =)

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I've got to agree with the vast majority of the above. I barely shop at RDNA anymore because of thier "improvements" and I daresay that will be the case here. My hopes are not high that the PTB will actually listen to any of us, thier record in this regard is not stellar, so as stated above, another customer lost. On the bright side, this may well give me the push needed to start creating my own stuff.

What happen to the marketplce? I like the old one better. This one is slow & unconvenience.

Despite what Acadia says, I don't think merchants are the only ones with a say. If revenue drops, any business has to ask why. And revenue drops when customers buy less. And they will buy less, for reasons that many have given above.

I think people are panicing. The software just went through a major new upgrade.

In the same way the older version was heavily customized, I imagine this one will be.

Considering the 1000+ merchants, it might take awhile, bit I am sure Bondware is a capable company, being they wrote the site software.

Is it neccesary to insult them and make jokes? This forum is about Poser, not Bondware. Must every decision in Poser be done by commitee and by threat? I'm sure the merchants will offer feedback where needed.

I'm sure everything will be just fine when they get the boxes unpacked and everything set up pretty. Just breathe.

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-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

Bravo Anton. I was trying to say that in Post 88. Give-em a little time for Gawds sake. Tom

“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”

"Is it neccesary to insult them and make jokes?" When telling the truth is insulting then yes, I guess it's neccesary. The store was better before, easier to find things and better organized. It's a mess now and I have no intentions to buy anything from my wishlist since I have no idea about the price and don't know which merchant made it. And that's a fact and not an insult.

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Puntomaus That is NOT what I meant or was referring to. :) We all know what an insult and a joke is. I wasn't referring to opinion. It will be fine. Re-modelling always makes a mess. I have plaster dust to prove it.

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-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

I used to be a software developer for many years and I know about testing-terms. If you do such a big upgrade you should have test it to the max (Beta-Testers etc.). Bondware is not a backalley-developer but a grown-up company. Imaging Amazon would do such an "upgrade". They would loose a big amount of money for shure. And Bondware doesn't have to be treated like a sensitive artist. They make business - and IMHO they had a lack of customers-research. Otherwise I can't see a good reason why having something Beta offered to the public.

Did they announce it as a beta? When I install Poser I have to spend time to re-install and set up preferences. Doens't mean it is beta software. Being a former Software-developer, you also know that only so much can be tested in beta and some glitches only appear after release. It seems to me that a site like this, with so many variables, would be an oddity if a few glitches didn't appear. I would just give them time to sort it out.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

No they didn't. But it looks like. And they say this is coming soon, we are working on that for the future etc. Which means it's not the final release they want to achive. And common - a market place like this isn't a mayor tricky application with millions of interfaces etc. We are not talking about glitches but mayor changes in usability. Anyway - we will see what future will bring. I hope everything will work out fine.

I hate it and I go conform with all reasons here in the thread! I want back the old RMP! It is not a fun to make here a purchase!

"Which means it's not the final release they want to achive."< No it just means they have another stage to complete. The store and forums and such are seperate.

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

If it is Bondware that makes the same software that runs this forum (and the useless search functionality), then they deserve some insults. ;) Come on - vBulletin and even the FREE phpBB2 are far, far, far, far superior to this forum in just about every respect of which I can think. Now, I'll agree that the just-implemented MP is probably not finalized, nearly. But I don't agree with you, hawkfyr! (hehe) I've been in the industry for over a decade. There's these thingies called - 'testbeds' (more generically termed Q.A.). They are used as a simulated test environment for new software so that when you want to update, you have the entire system ready to go. This doesn't remove the chance of bugs and snags, but it does allow a one step, complete transition. Is Bondware so bad, that they can only test it 'live'? I don't even test my simplistic website 'live'!

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See what happens. A few people speculate that this is beta testing, and now people are repeating it as fact. Arrgghhhh!!!!

-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the face of truth is concealment."

Over 100,000 Downloads....

Shardz, thank you for that comprehensive breakdown. When I created this thread I hadn't looked at the wish list or purchases. But I sure did notice the lack of pricing at the top of the page next to the "promo image". I too like to see the price first, if it's on sale, and how long the sale is going to be for. If I have to hunt seek and peck around to find that, I sure won't be buying here very much. Also, the lack of description of previous purchases makes no sense. I have loads of things in my purchase history, and sometimes (just the other day as a matter of fact), I went back and looked through my purchases for something I thought I had installed but couldn't find it. I had the ability to see the item name and download it immediately. With the way it is now I'd have to click on pages of "numbers" and look at what each item is, before finding the ONE that I want to redownload. That truely sucks!!!!!!!!! As well, I too like seeing the item name, merchant name, price, and sale price in my wish list. I can then go at a glance down the list and decide which items I want to buy. Sometimes I don't remember the name of the item, but I remember the name of the merchant who made the item. With both item name and merchant name listed, it makes recalling what the item is, easier. After a day of consideration, I really would like to see the MP switched back to what it was, however, if we are forced to have a change, then at least give us back the features that you took away. Reorganizing is one thing, but totally demolishing a highrise with an elevator, to put up a 3 story walk up was un-necessary.

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This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
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Hmm, I have never bought anything directly from the Rosity MP, but I did do my research here. I have been buying stuff over at CP, since I like their interface much more.

Now, I can't stand the new design. The old way the product pages looked was a lot better. I wasn't big on the opinions, since I never saw negative ones, but I would like to have back the "Other items by this Vendor." The lack of prices in my Wishlist is a huge problem now too. I kept track of sales via that. (Getting the annoying store sale emails just makes me highlight and delete. I only click on the Favorite Artist emails.)

There probably won't be anything done. I am glad Rosity is making an effort to "improve" the site, but this was not an improvement.

I understand your call for patience Anton. I was thinking the same thing through the first 50 or so posts in this thread, but after listening to each point, and then checking it out myself I have to agree with the huge majority of them. The only one I dispute is the login. Maybe people have cookies disabled, but my login is staying when I close the MP. (I chose "Remember Me")

Anton, I think people mean with Beta not the fact that it is Beta but behaves like Beta. I hope for this community that there will be a progress soon.

I assume the change was for economic or technical reasons. Of course. They were making too much money, so it was necessary to tick off the folks who still buy here. And what better way to tick them off than by messing up the one part of the site no one complained about? Not to mention killing two birds with one stone. One of the unpleasant things about refusing to buy here has been that it was far and away the best designed market. While I'm sympathetic to the merchants, I'm also grateful to the PTB for taking away one more reason to shop here. The new MP was obviously launched with no meaningful testing or customer review. In the new era of deniability, the best we can expect is unsubstantiated claims to the contrary, along with "personal promises" worth the screen light they are written in. And in the new era of the corporate imperium, we can shut up or not. Who cares? Customers are a dime a dozen. M

You know I've always had nothing but the greatest respect for you Robert (kuroyumeo161) and agree that there should have had at least some testing prior to the migration.It would seem to me that the very fact that the RMP is huge (not just a simplistic website) is the very reason that prior testing would likely only catch nuts and bolts problems of the new platform,not necessarily the look and feel of it. I would imagine that,like other php based environments,it will have the ability to customize the experience. I guess I just think that folks who are being provided a free service, should be a little more patient when things are being worked on. Tom

“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”

I guess I just think that folks who are being provided a free service, should be a little more patient when things are being worked on.<< Free service? I thought this is a shop. And just like in real life; when I don't like my shopping-environment anymore I change the shop. It's not only the customer but the merchants that are having to deal with this.

"It's not only the customer but the merchants that are having to deal with this. " Lets say I'm a flooring installation contrator. I rely heavily on a buisiness that provides the means for me to earn money. They provide a place for me to operate, they advertise,and generate buisiness so I can provide a service or product to end users. They decide to give the store a facelift and give me plenty of notice about it. I realize that there will likely be a stretch of time where sales might drop off,or even stop completely during a down time. Should I have made arrangments to find work elsewhere during this time? Or should I complain and blame THEM for my inconvienience and loss of revenue? How about if I walk in the warehouse and see changes,and say...I HATE THIS! Y'no...I liked it better when the subflooring was nearer to the loading dock,and the glue stayed warmer when it was stored over by the carpet samples. I'm not going to do any more work for you until you change it all back the way I like it.

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Thanks, Tom, and I agree. Just seems that they did the transition partly, then released, and now are going to add everything back in. This need not be so. The companies with which I have experience (PrimeStar, DirecTV, WildBlue) all use copies of the current customer databases (etc.) in a testbed environment. These are definitely not simplistic. Now, these companies have direct profit and investors and so on. On the other hand, although Rendo is a 'free' service, they do take 50% of all sales... ;) The login issue is a non-issue (that should have been expected). But the removal of information and features seems unwarranted. Maybe they should have waited a month or two to get them all in place before launch. Let's hope that they get things worked out.

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Thanks Robert. I suppose I should have been more clear regarding the "free Service" comment. I basically meant the site "Overall". In other words.no one forces me to shop here and there is no cover charge to enter the MP and browse. But as far as the merchants are concerned, the relationship between them and Renderosity is not unlike a sub-contractor scenario. They are not employed by Renderosity ,and Renderosity has no obligation to secure income for them during down time and maintenance. They are free to offer up their goods to other outlets. If they are exclusive,then perhaps they should not have put all eggs in one basket. Tom

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I just hate the new marketplace, and I just couldn't find their the things I'm looking for.. The older one was really better. I wouldn't bye their anything if it would looks like that! Oh and it is just slower to load for me, as the old one! Not faster!

Heh. I didn't care too much for the last change to the store, but this latest change suddenly makes me long for it. I was never too fond of the RDNA style marketplace, except for the way the purchased Item List can be sorted. The Wishlists really need updating all around.

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Ok as a few merchants we decided to make this image, which I created as the FLAG of our protest. I hope you will see how we feel on behalf of the merchants. Funny, it says ON BEHALF OF THE RENDEROSITY MERCHANTS, how ever, I refuse to be putin to this mess. Because I have nothing to do with it, nor to my other fellow merchants. I REFUSE TO BE THE FATHER OF THIS CREEP!!! Regards, Umut.

its not brilliant - Im trying to work out how the 'whats hot'can be so different lots of items such as gnd2 or irina for sp3, or p6 realism kit never used to show near the top of the list? have everyones buying habits changed overnight or did Renderosity used to give a weighting to new items over old -would like a button like daz so you could request a redownload -would like it much clearer to get to your downloads after a purchase(people arent too keen to leave a page that has all their order details unless they know the page they are going to is the download page and is marked as such - would like the updated products to be at least as conspicuous as in the old site

Very nice, my image has been deleted. BRAVO for the DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM WE HAVE. Umut.

That wasn't a nice thing to do....hmmmmmmm what happen to freedom of the press? :)

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"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

A wise man once said "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". The Marketplace worked perfectly well, didn't really need any changes. Pity no-one in control seems to listen to the wise man.

You know.....it's kind of funny. I recall when Rendo switched over the Marketplace not too long ago.....and man, oh, man did people ever gripe about the changes. And NOW: the system that was intially castigated and bemoaned out of the gate is being praised as the best thing that there ever was. A programmer's dream. It's just.....funny to watch. IMO, the new setup is not so bad. I can't say that I'm instantly in love with it. And I certainly hope that customer reviews will be added back in later. And I'd like to see "Add to cart" and "Add to Wishlist" buttons put on the two sample image pages -- so that you aren't forced to return to the front product page in order to add the item to your cart. That just causes an extra page-load. Other than those few things -- it'll all come out in the wash. It always does. That's pretty much my thoughts too... When it was changed the last time, everybody was upset about the change, it was the most awful marketplace ever but after reading all this, it wasn't so bad after all I guess... ;) Right now, it's not good, but give it a few days, give them a bit of time to fix the things that don't work properly and the stuff that has been overlooked and maybe it will grow on you... When you change a site this big, with so many features on it, there's got to be some stuff that won't work or features that were forgotten just a few hours after the change... In a couple of weeks I'm sure things will be fixed and we will have gotten used to it.

Lucie
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"freedom of the press" means the right to puiblish a newspaper or magazine, it has nothing to do with posting on message boards. Ans freedom of speech, although it gives you the right to say what you want, it doesn't obligate anyone to let you post it on a privately owned website.

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MorriganShadow, I got your message and I understand your concerns. I take my words back for the DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM. I thought it was removed for what it was saying, not the EXORCIST image. Thanks for the IM and the explanation. I wish you a great day. Cheers, Umut.

quote:~I for one will not get used to it. Unless some major improvements are done. This is ridiculous. It is even worse for the merchants than it is for just purchasers like us. As Admins of the business, you are ruining what is to some merchants their means of income. Tsk tsk rendo...tsk tsk. Your servers are horrible, your service is bordering on horrible as we speak and your layout is unfriendly and badly thought out. And you answer is for us to DEAL WITH IT? We are your CUSTOMER....YOU will DEAL with US. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~# Waves to the mistress...... I dont think Mistress had a bad attitude at all....I think basically she is saying what we are all thinking.... Doesnt the phrase " the customer is always right"....come into this.. Just my humble opinion as a customer and hopefully (if I ever get time to do my texture) a merchant soon.

"I didn't lose my mind, it was mine to give away"

This is a royal mess. This is absolutely typical operating procedure for Renderosity, though. They have a long history of implementing stuff in a half-arsed, poorly thought-out way, without ANY outside input from users or from experts in the field (and no, I do not consider their codemonkeys to be experts in user interface by any stretch of anyone's imagination), and then stumble along patching here and re-organizing there and bumbling along until stuff sort of works and everyone settles down. It's the Renderosity Way(tm). And it's just so darned professional, dontcha think? bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis

this only proves the point that humans are SUCH creatures of habit lol we get set in our ways and when something rocks our boat, we don't know how to handle it...but that's just natural... I know most don't like the new format, but give it a little time, see if ReRo can work out the bugs, make a few tweaks...as has been stated above, a change of this magnitude is not a one-step process, nor a single one time event, as anyone who has been involved in any large corporation's computer system upgrade will tell you..there are always bugs to be worked out, but that's to be expected...let's give them some time to fine tune the new MP and THEN see how we feel about it after that...I'm sure constructive feedback as to possible tweaks and likes/dislikes would be welcomed when they're over the initial hurdle...

Say what you mean and mean what you say.

Two years from now, Rendo might decide to change the store format again.

I can't wait to see what'll be said about the subject then. I wish that I'd saved a copy of the old threads which sprang up at the time of the last Marketplace changeover. You could have substituted those old threads for this one. And nobody would notice the difference.

And yet here we are being told just how WONDERFUL the "old" Marketplace was -- even though it wasn't actually very old at all. And a lot of people had expressed outright HATRED for it at the time when it first assumed that particular form.........

Ah, well.....the more things change, the more that they stay the same.

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You mean that one? Thanks to The3dzone for digging it up LOL

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Well, I guess I don't "HATE" the new market place, but I hate that they've taken away some of the functionality. I have downloads here going back to 2002, and all there is now is a row of numbers. So now it's soooooo easy to re-download something... I wish I had been clever enough to buy it all from me to me, as gifts, because the list of recieved gifts is WONDERFUL. Just like the purchase list SHOULD look, too. And I'm fairly sure (or nae?) that the PTB will change it to look that way too. One other thing I don't like is that you can't see who gave you a gift certificate. I'd like to thank people, but my memory isn't all that good, and now there's no way (at least that I can find) that can show me who gave me which gift certificate. I SORELY MISS the customer feedbacks. Not the star rating, that was crap anyway. Who has ever voted anything but 5 stars? honestly? but the feedback. I miss that both as a merchant and as a customer. And also both as a merchant and as a customer, I miss the "other products by this artist" - it was an extra bit of advertizing, AND I've bought lots of stuff because one of those pictures caught my eye while I was shopping for something completely different. And this HAS affected sales. So lovely, I was scheduled to release a new item today, but now? People are too busy bitching and mourning over the changes (with good right, too) Can't remember whoever said that bit about putting all the eggs in one basket. But it was clearly not a merchant. It's easy to have the right opinions as long as you're not the one losing money on it... I'm not "putting my eggs in one basket" because I prefer it that way. I'm doing it because it USUALLY is a good idea. I'll seriously consider my Exclusive status here though. No big idea if all the ads are gone anyway... I'm just curious what happens when the forums switch to php soon as well.

I'm just curious what happens when the forums switch to php soon as well. Yeah. I sort of wonder that myself. Oh, well. We'll see.

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It appears we have progress, folks.... Just reloaded the wishlist and we have re-instated Vendor Price and status. We still don't know when a sale expires though :0/ ....but it is a half step in the right direction

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Now they have done that can they please please please make public and private wishlists seperate? It was awesome the way they did that and I HATE this way... I mean lol I have a $1000 public wishlist....and I have the other ones seperate for ease of finding... please please return it so its seperate!

"I didn't lose my mind, it was mine to give away"

Okay, I am going to congratulate and apologize to the PTB. I honestly thought that they would simply leave the design as is, but they have already implemented one huge change with the Wishlist.

BRAVO 'Rosity!

Following what originalkitten said, I would even suggest making each of those columns sortable now. They are nice and neat, so being able to sort by Type, Item, Vendor, and Price would be fnntastic, and shouldn't cost too much in code.

The only other thing I really want to see back is the "Other products by this vendor" option. I don't really mind the RDNA-style page layout, though I did prefer the old way. Seeing other products by the same vendor right there added hundreds of dollars in items to my wishlist. (Especially when the item was made by a second author. Then the items in the list change when you click over. Brings new vendors to the eye, never bad for business!)

Honestly, I don't much care for feedback. In my experience, it isn't much different than the galleries. Almost never do you see any comment more than "It's a great product, and I use it all the time now!" Now I am no merchant, so I can't speak for those people. Maybe others find it useful, I personally don't.

Well, I guess I don't "HATE" the new market place, but I hate that they've taken away some of the functionality. I have downloads here going back to 2002, and all there is now is a row of numbers. So now it's soooooo easy to re-download something... The Orders is just that, how you ordered each group of purchases. If you click on Item List, you will see all the items you ordered (second link about Order List.) To me this is a nice feature. Maybe they need to change the default to Items, instead of Orders, but it is just one more click.

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yes I just found out about the orders. That IS nice. I dunno why the orders are there at all, actually.. I mean, why not just have them on the Item List page like before?

Well, I can see uses, the fact the Orders groups things as purchased. Trying to track down the name of that product you bought with the Scene you are using. Go check the Order History. I tend to use order History frequently at other sites that have it available, or I have to dig through my E-mails.

ratscloset
aka John

"Can't remember whoever said that bit about putting all the eggs in one basket. But it was clearly not a merchant. It's easy to have the right opinions as long as you're not the one losing money on it... " Oh..So because I'm not a merchant here,I have no business sense? I guess If I had no gallery here,I'd not be able to critique others artwork either right? Tom

“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”

I think that the intimation is that there is a benefit to having "Exclusive" products sold here (the merchant gets a bigger slice of the sale than if sold on multiple store sites). Considering that sales on some sites are usually minimal if non-existent (I don't think I've sold one item on 3DCommune - all available here as well), this is incentive to 'put all eggs in one basket'. Not that I don't agree that diversifying is a better approach, mind you! :) Note that I have not really complained about the new-fangled MP much. My only gripe is the removal of functionality during the transition, even if to be replaced soon enough. I don't see why that was necessary - sounds like live beta-testing to me... ;) Assuredly, it will all be restored and hopefully in ways that are superior to the previous incarnation. Let us pray!

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I notice that they fixed a few things. Still along way to go, but at least it isn't being left in the state of disaster as it was released. A new look with all of the same features and perks that the old one had, I can live with. I'd still like to see the "add to wish list" an actual button in an easier to find spot, than the teensy weensy text that it currently is. It seemed like 5 minutes passed before I finally found it.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Is the date the product was uploaded on the product page anywhere? It used to be right at the top. I liked that. I like knowing (roughly) when something was made.

With the MP the way it is now and the purchased area showing up only as the order number of your purchase that day, how are we supposed to know if a product has been updated? I find that of all the updates that have appeared in my purchase history, I have received email notification of 4 of them. The rest I discovered accidently while looking through my purchase history to redownload a file. Are we expected to click on every single oder number, every single day in order to see the items purchased under that order number? I'd rather have my purchases show up separately instead of by "order number", and with the very least a name beside it, so that I can see at a glance what I have purchased and see at a glance if there are any updates for it. This display by order number sucks big time :(

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

How do you PM or Email a merchant now? The old store had their name hyperlinked which took you to a profile page where you could pick to look at their gallery, free stuff, store, favourite artists etc... and at the bottom of that page you could click a link to either email or send a PM to the merchant. This new look doensn't have that, and there is no "email" or "PM Merchant" link, or a link to their free stuff contributions. I liked being able to click on the merchants name and not only see what else was in their store, but also be able to access other contributions by that person, be it their gallery or free stuff and have ways to contact the person in case I had questions about the item.... which I have done.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi

Bit the bullet: re-build my Cart and went ahead and made the purchases. All went very smooth. No problems. I complained earlier and while I believe, generally, in the line from Luc Besson's Leon: 'Change aint good, Leon' Renderosity is too good of store to stay away long. I've had so much help here at the Forum and the freebies can't be beat. Renderosity is still my favorite site and still my favorite store. Thanks to everyone posting with Poser tips. Best Wishes ALL. Rance

Looks like they are slowly reincorporating all of the old features. The wishlist now has vendor, sale, and price. And checkout was smooth. Eventually, eventually... :)

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, you blow your whole leg off.

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Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL

Subject: Feedback on New Marketplace Look