I've been digging very deep into the P6's node-room for a solution to P6's fast scatter feature, and finally came up with a solution to this problem!

As you can see in this render, I'm using the default FS on her head text.....

Pretty crappy eh? Now while most folks would simply would'nt use ray-traced shadows..

While in a real world situation Like say IBL on a clear sunny day, this would prove impossible to capture any realism because this would involve clear cast shadows, and not diffuse soft shadows
as required by the DEFAULT P6's FS feature...

If you were to render an indoor, or cloudy day this would be perfect though..

Message edited on: 01/18/2006 13:05

THIS is the solution that I came up with! Note that I'm using FS, and the cast shadows from P6's ray tracing is uneffected! Now I can fanally do that clear winter outdoor scene that I've been wanting to do! And because of this, I'm not RESTRICTED at all by any lighting sets/comp that I might choose to do! Also I have found something very curious while doing my experiments...

THIS is done WITHOUT FS! I will be posting my node setups pretty soon, I'm a little pressed for time because I have to earn money....Unfortunately! ;^D I've had people suggest that I simply purchase Face_off's Real(tm) series... While Face_off is the undisputed emporer of the node room, I wanted, and HAD to figure this out on my own. {Thanks for this site's and others valued, and generous members for thier patiance, and guidence! ;^)} Thanks, and see ya soon!

Terrific! these look really good. cheerio lululee

Looks great. Just wish I knew what the hell you were talking about. :-


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OK. Now tell us how you did this - grrrr! :)

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Looks good. Waiting to see the material nodes. Also, i would like to see the light settings, as it is often very very important.

Anxiously awaiting the Material Nodes as well. Looks fantastic. Cheers DR

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How about we call you the "Node Duke"? Will be interested to see this "clear winter outdoor scene" you're talking about. Cheers

@svdl:...Soon, my friend VERY SOON! Hee hee don't cha just LOVE the suspense? ;^D "Looks good. Waiting to see the material nodes. Also, i would like to see the light settings, as it is often very very important." I'm using 2 lights..The backlight is a Infinite D-map w Blur-rad@ 5.0/Shadow min Bias @ 0.8 Shadow @ 1000, Shadow map @ 256...Default. The fore light is an Infinite Ray trace W Blur-rad@ 2.0/Shadow min Bias @ 0.5 Shadow @ 1000, Shadow map @ 1024.AO is at Nil... "How about we call you the "Node Duke"? Will be interested to see this "clear winter outdoor scene" you're talking about. Cheers" I would be honored!! THANKS!!! But seriously I still have a LONG way to go yet! I'll be posting the nodes tommorrow! Thanks for the feedback folks!

Shadow map on a raytraced light?! What have I been missing here? I thought Ray traced lights did NOT use shadow maps o_O It looks very neat btw, and I'm awaiting the node settings as well.

"Shadow map on a raytraced light?! What have I been missing here? I thought Ray traced lights did NOT use shadow maps o_O" ============================================================ They don't, I used the D-map light for the back, and The raytraced light for the foreground light to get some accurate cast shadows! And Yes, I'll be posting the nodes tommorrow..As I don't have time to do it propor today...'Cause I gotta go to work soon.....Yammit! I think I'll call in sick! LOL!!<---Sigh I wish!

Very nice looking renders. I'll be interested to see the node set-up too.

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Well folks, I'm off to work...GRRRR Piss-Moan! I'll be back tommorrow with the nodes, and some examples using my method in IBL! See Ya!And thanks for the comments! ^_^ ;^)

Excellent work. I look forward with the rest for your reveal.

This looks very nice :-) Waiting!

Thanks ! ... nice work, waiting here as well.

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I thought the render you get from #2 was normal for FS - not that in #1. The render in #1 looks like it's got the backlight shadows tuned incorrectly, which is why her whole face is red. To me #2 looks better than #3, which is maybe done using translucency?

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Kind of annoying.. taking the time to post threads about this here and at RDNA, but not taking the time to post a screen grab of the node and or light setup.

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Message edited on: 01/19/2006 10:50

Hmm. Takezo, I'm not sure what you plan to do with the fastscatter node, which I find all but useless. Nevertheless, I'm not sure I understand the problem about raytraced shadows.

You said "While in a real world situation Like say IBL on clear sunny day, this would prove impossible to capture any realism because this would involve clear cast shadows, and not diffuse soft shadows as required by the DEFAULT P6's FS feature"

In this render, I'm seeing almost no difference between the ray-traced version and the shadow mapped version. In fact, the shadow mapped version looks a little better to me in that it does not have the jaggies of the ray-traced shadows. Why do you think using shadow maps gives bad results for outdoor scenes? Perhaps you forgot to increase the shadow map size?

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Then take a peek at my new post then...I'm linking it for those who bookmarked this page! http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Start=1

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COOL! I saved it as a PDF so I can view it later....Thanks:)

How do you save web pages as a pdf?

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You need Adobe Acrobat pro...This program is great especially for those tutorial on line you want to save.

So do you add an url in it or what?

It's one of those things I got hoping to make those nice pdf readmes, and have never been able to get around to.
Man, take about stupid and easy! I never bothered to look at the acrobat toolbar that was added to explorer. 1 click, and Bam! it's converted! Installed, it, meaning to look at it the next day, and never ever got around to it. So I got TWO great tips from this Poser tip! The more I learn, the mor I learn there IS to learn!

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When you load the program it give you the option to put a icon on your web browser...From there all you have to do is click and convert web pages to PDF.You then can also print web pages.

Is this the $300-$500 price range Adobe Acrobat Pro? Ouch!

Here's another tip about saving forum topics.

If you have Internet Explorer, while viewing this page, just choose File/Save As. Then choose

Save as type: Web Archive, single file (*.mht)

Pick a filename that will make you remember the topic. IE will save the page with all embedded images into a single file. No need to buy other software.

There - that's 3 tips today!!!

Message edited on: 01/20/2006 10:09

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I remember I got some great deal on acrobat, and I figured I could write it off anyway. Heck, I had poser for a few years before anything "clicked", and I couldn't count the number of games I've bought and not completed, or hardly even played.

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Message edited on: 01/21/2006 13:59

and, actually, you can save the whole page in firefox, mozilla and internet explorer as "Web page, complete." it's the default, and it pulls down all linked images and other media with the page. that way, when you open the html file, in your browser or even editor of choice, it's pretty much the whole thing but still in a format you can open in various applications. on your hard drive, it will save the html file and a folder holding all it's media. that's how i save tutorials of many different types.

I usually do save the web page with explorer, but I kid of like the idea of not having to hunt down the image files, if I want to archive them.

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hmmm. you still don't have to. if you move the html file, windows will move the folder with it. though, frankly, i've never had to move the file once i've saved it (except to delete it). open a windows explorer window and select tools > folder options. one of the options is "Managing pairs of Web pages and folders." mine is on "Show both pairs and manage as a single file." i'm not sure what the default is, cause i set that up upon getting this box and i don't remember. but i'm betting on, "Show and manage the pair as a single file." if you're on a mac, i'm less sure of the options, except that ie on the mac has been discontinued and is unsupported. i do know i do the same thing on mac and never have a problem. but then mac organizes purely by name, and the file/folder pair are "some html page.html" and "some html page_files". not really requiring hunting down. the only problem is images added to the page with CSS. that the browsers don't catch, but i'm not sure acrobat would either.

I had no idea if you moved the file, that windows automatically moves the folder as well. Interesting!

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